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[Queen Rowan]

You know all this Flemeth talk made me wonder...

(End game spoilers)

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So with Flemeth killed/taken over/ something by Solas, what happens to the well drinker? Who is he/she now the servant of?

 

I'm thinking no one... the power died with the host but I could be wrong

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Does it happen every time? Bc I was never able to do anything with Dorian in my first PT because of the glitch... and I was really hoping the same thing wouldn't happen this time. 

I'm not sure. Remember I used to play DA:I on the PS3 and I was able to do his questline each time without problem...then I went to PS4 and it bugged out. So we will see because I am almost to Skyhold on one of my other PTs.

[Tishina]

Gaspard does have the same quest as Celene to make a peace treaty with Ferelden. It's up to you to trust whether he would actually uphold this peace, though. I personally don't trust him for one second to not use the treaty to wipe the blood of Alistair's/Anora's beheaded corpse off his sword.

 

I like the Celene and Briala alliance option the best of all the outcomes. I'd give it a shot at least to see their speech to the nobles together. You might like what they both have to say in that ending.

I'm inclined to Celene/Briala as well. I think it's the only real chance of some change for elves, and even if Ferelden can hold off an invasion by Gaspard (if he doesn't hold to a treaty, and considering various things he's been connected to, I don't trust him two inches), that's not something they need on top of everything else they've dealt with recently.

[Queen Rowan]

I'm not sure. Remember I used to play DA:I on the PS3 and I was able to do his questline each time without problem...then I went to PS4 and it bugged out. So we will see because I am almost to Skyhold on one of my other PTs.

 

Sounds like you're a little ahead of me then. Please keep me posted!

[alwayshungry]

Does it happen every time? Bc I was never able to do anything with Dorian in my first PT because of the glitch... and I was really hoping the same thing wouldn't happen this time. 

I did his personal quest on my first 2 PTs (thank the Maker I was able to do it on my second 'cause I wanted to romance him ), but now it hasn't appeared.

[Queen Rowan]

I'm inclined to Celene/Briala as well. I think it's the only real chance of some change for elves, and even if Ferelden can hold off an invasion by Gaspard (if he doesn't hold to a treaty, and considering various things he's been connected to, I don't trust him two inches), that's not something they need on top of everything else they've dealt with recently.

 

I had Celene rule alone because I don't think there was an option to have her rule with Briala.. is this only an option if you find the locket? and if so where is it?

[riverbanks]

The same sorta thing happens if you don't romance Fenris in DA2. With Hawke he's all like "it hurts when people touch me, but maybe not with you..." But if you don't romance him he and Isabella get all freaky-deaky, and it seems very OOC on his part (at least to me). 

 

Fenris' "relationship" with Isabela is actually completely in character for him - it's not a relationship at all. it's a fling. His issue with being intimate with Hawke was that he loved Hawke, and that made him afraid on both a physical and emotional level, of both himself and of his own feelings. He's been through a lot of abuse and needs time to deal with the mixed feelings that being in love with Hawke stirr in him.

 

Isabela is just sex, and Fenris has no issues with having sex in and of itself. It's his feelings he's terrified of, it's his low self-esteem and sense of worthlessness that makes him believe he doesn't deserve to be loved. Hawke changes all that, and with her/him he needs some time and space to sort himself out so he can be with Hawke without destroying both of them. With Isabela, he's just getting laid. There's no love there. It's in, out, see you next week, no inner turmoil or emotional breakdows necessary.

[Queen Rowan]

I did his personal quest on my first 2 PTs (thank the Maker I was able to do it on my second 'cause I wanted to romance him ), but now it hasn't appeared.

 platform?

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I'm thinking no one... the power died with the host but I could be wrong

SPOILERS FOR THE SOLAS ROMANCE

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We all know he is against slaves so if your Lavellen drank from the well then he says he called out to her to stop and not do it. So since we know that he is against it and if he is being romance then that brings that all more closer to the heart. I personally believe that whoever drank from the well is now bound to Solas...so if he was romanced then your Lavellen is bound to his service. Which hurts him very much so since he is so against that. Sorry if that did not make sense...I am in the middle of judging that lady from Emprise Du Lion.

[alwayshungry]

 platform?

PC

[LolaLei]

I'm thinking no one... the power died with the host but I could be wrong

 

Well, if the essence of Mythal is being sent to Morrigan then either Morrigan is a slave to no one since her motivations would then be driven by Mythal anyway, or the Inquisitor would have to do whatever Morrigan wants him/her to do, I guess.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Sounds like you're a little ahead of me then. Please keep me posted!

 

Will do!

I did his personal quest on my first 2 PTs (thank the Maker I was able to do it on my second 'cause I wanted to romance him ), but now it hasn't appeared.

 

Well I have a list I am going through since I switch platforms...I am romancing Solas right now, then Cullen, Cass, and then Dorian so hopefully all works out.

I had Celene rule alone because I don't think there was an option to have her rule with Briala.. is this only an option if you find the locket? and if so where is it?

You have to find the locket and say that Briala helped you uncover Gaspard's treachery.

[neonmoth]

don't know how far behind I am but....

 

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i have a feeling that even if Morrigan is imbued with the power of Mythal, her own willpower will cause her to use it in a much different fashion than Flemeth did

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This is exactly my problem with Morrigan. I really like her character but Flemeth always felt more detached. Maybe it is because I know Morri through her interactions with Warden and others in dao. She has definitely changed but she's still more involved on a personal level (especially when in relationship with Warden and having Keiran). I wonder how Mythal would further change her

[Sephirona]

Aww! lol! Allegra has him pegged! It's moments like this that make me wonder if the VAs are reacting honestly and being recorded. Like it was Greg's first time reading the line and laughing about it? Or it's just the Greg's that good. Regardless, it's awesome!

 

edit: And Urkel! hahahaha! I think if they'd snuck a Family Matters reference in, I'd have died!

 

I think Greg is just that good, haha! From what I hear he hasn't really played the games much, so I don't think he'd have gotten Varric's reference to events in DA2. It's the mark of a good actor that we can't tell

 

So yeah, I really do wonder where Greg pulled his inspiration for that sort of laugh from. LOL x)

[kalasaurus]

SPOILERS FOR THE SOLAS ROMANCE

Spoiler

We all know he is against slaves so if your Lavellen drank from the well then he says he called out to her to stop and not do it. So since we know that he is against it and if he is being romance then that brings that all more closer to the heart. I personally believe that whoever drank from the well is now bound to Solas...so if he was romanced then your Lavellen is bound to his service. Which hurts him very much so since he is so against that. Sorry if that did not make sense...I am in the middle of judging that lady from Emprise Du Lion.

 

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Even though his dialogue is inconsistent with what he actually says when present at the Well (another topic...), back at Skyhold he'll say he "begged" a romanced Inquisitor and "warned" a friend Inquisitor not to drink from the Well.  He only has a very strong reaction against drinking from the Well if he's close to the Inquisitor.  So I believe you're correct.

[Queen Rowan]

Well, if the essence of Mythal is being sent to Morrigan then either Morrigan is a slave to no one since her motivations would then be driven by Mythal anyway, or the Inquisitor would have to do whatever Morrigan wants him/her to do, I guess.

 

I had my inquisitor drink out of selfishness but I think in my ultimate world state I'm going to make it Morrigan for story purposes anyway.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

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Even though his dialogue is inconsistent with what he actually says when present at the Well (another topic...), back at Skyhold he'll say he "begged" a romanced Inquisitor and "warned" a friend Inquisitor not to drink from the Well.  He only has a very strong reaction against drinking from the Well if he's close to the Inquisitor.  So I believe you're correct.

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Yeah I know for sure there was no verbal begging from Solas...so that was probably cut which does not make any sense. Is it too much to hope that they restore some of the things they cut? Also when does his "love scene" occur? I know you hear that the IQ and Solas went back into the Tavern's backroom and "dreamed" with one another. When does this happen in the story...after the Arbor Wilds?

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I had my inquisitor drink out of selfishness but I think in my ultimate world state I'm going to make it Morrigan for story purposes anyway.

To make things all the more intense I always have my Lavellen who is romancing Solas drink from the Well and those who are not romancing Solas...do not partake in the Well's many splendors.

[Queen Rowan]

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This is exactly my problem with Morrigan. I really like her character but Flemeth always felt more detached. Maybe it is because I know Morri through her interactions with Warden and others in dao. She has definitely changed but she's still more involved on a personal level (especially when in relationship with Warden and having Keiran). I wonder how Mythal would further change her

 

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Yea see I don't think she'd use the power in the same way that she would've if she was the same person from Origins. A LOT has changed her since then. I wonder if she would even know that she had the power until something weird happened. (assuming she didn't drink from the well but still got Flemeth's essence when she died

[CuriousArtemis]

...Bull pursued Dorian while he was with you? Wow when I did my Dorian PT I never had that happen with Bull trying to go after him or Dorian...well he isn't even really interested in Bull.

 

Noooo (thank GOD!) I mean the way he is with Dorian is different from the way he was with me. It was very sweet and passionate. But from what I've read about Bull x Dorian it's almost demeaning, and Dorian doesn't even seem 100% on board.

 

Kind of like Isabela x Fenris; with Hawke Fenris is reticent and afraid to get too close, but a couple flirts with Isabela is all it takes for him to bang her like they're a pair of bunnies.

 

It irritates me and makes "our" romance feel less special.

[Queen Rowan]

To make things all the more intense I always have my Lavellen who is romancing Solas drink from the Well and those who are not romancing Solas...do not partake in the Well's many splendors.

 

ugh maybe I'll do that then since I'm doing my Solasmance PT currently and give it to Morrigan with my dwarf & qunari. All I can say is thank goodness for the DA Keep, letting me pick and choose what choices I really want xD

[neonmoth]

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Yeah I know for sure there was no verbal begging from Solas...so that was probably cut which does not make any sense. Is it too much to hope that they restore some of the things they cut? Also when does his "love scene" occur? I know you hear that the IQ and Solas went back into the Tavern's backroom and "dreamed" with one another. When does this happen in the story...after the Arbor Wilds?

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Assuming that Solas definitely ingested Mythal. This course of events contradicts Flemeth's plan to have Morrigan merge with Mythal.... I still believe that Flemeth managed to salvage the essence of Mythal. if that's the case, Solasmancers might find themselves bound to the will of Mythal and may be forced to stand against him. This kind of thoughts make me uneasy about drinking from the Well.

[kalasaurus]

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Yeah I know for sure there was no verbal begging from Solas...so that was probably cut which does not make any sense. Is it too much to hope that they restore some of the things they cut? Also when does his "love scene" occur? I know you hear that the IQ and Solas went back into the Tavern's backroom and "dreamed" with one another. When does this happen in the story...after the Arbor Wilds?

 

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Where did you hear that?  Lol, they have no love scene together, well in the sense that there's no sex scene.  The closest is this scene which occurs right after the Temple of Mythal when he offers to remove her vallaslin (an intimate act that many on the Solas thread-myself included-believe is sex in a symbolic sense) and then dumps her.

 

Edit: Top of the page Cullen

http://greendelle.de...ullen-499499785

[MelissaGT]

Fenris' "relationship" with Isabela is actually completely in character for him - it's not a relationship at all. it's a fling. His issue with being intimate with Hawke was that he loved Hawke, and that made him afraid on both a physical and emotional level, of both himself and of his own feelings. He's been through a lot of abuse and needs time to deal with the mixed feelings that being in love with Hawke stirr in him.

 

Isabela is just sex, and Fenris has no issues with having sex in and of itself. It's his feelings he's terrified of, it's his low self-esteem and sense of worthlessness that makes him believe he doesn't deserve to be loved. Hawke changes all that, and with her he needs some time and space to sort himself out so he can be with Hawke without destroying both of them. With Isabela, he's just getting laid. There's no love there. It's in, out, see you next week, no inner turmoil or emotional breakdows necessary.

 

I guess I was being dense that week because I actually thought he meant that physically being touched hurt. 

[LolaLei]

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Yea see I don't think she'd use the power in the same way that she would've if she was the same person from Origins. A LOT has changed her since then. I wonder if she would even know that she had the power until something weird happened. (assuming she didn't drink from the well but still got Flemeth's essence when she died

 

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Flemeth brought her up to want to preserve old magics and history anyway, so she'll likely use it in the same way Flemeth did anyway