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[Monica21]

A few pages back we talked about how Bioware does relationships talking about the winter place and Morginingstar brought in Twlight as an exmaple.

 

Yeah, but I'm not finding anything about IB/Dorian being potentially abusive.

[blauwvis]

Cullen NO!

 

Please don't... please just don't. You know how it goes for you, others might not want same things... Please Cullen no...

 

Ehh, if you express sympathy for the Red Templars while talking to him after judging Samson, he says flat out that he doesn't consider them really human anymore.

 

Also, reading timebean's comments about the KE made me    I LOOOVE that specialization.  The only downside is that it's probably spoiled me for every other class.
 

[panichord]

While I understand that a lot of people like the IB romance and I'm glad they enjoy it, I'm personally put off from the start by his demand that it's his way or not at all when he clearly has relationships with other people (kitchen maids and even a chantry sister) that don't involve BDSM. Having anyone tell me that he knows what I really need, whether I think so or not, puts my back up in a serious way (especially from a known professional manipulator). Most of that's personal reaction-I despise being manipulated or being lied to-but some of it is a feeling that there's something a bit unhealthy in that particular power dynamic even for someone who's into being a sub. I think the Dorian banter confirms that for me personally.

I have to agree on the not liking the IB relationship or dynamics.

 

Although, I'd also hate to assume the relationship between Dorian/IB is entirely unhealthy and that IB is a domineering abusive ass. I'm sure it could be though. Guess I'm just trying to see some good in IB. Love Dorian to bits, so I can see the concern. Thus, I'm not sure how to view things much less take a stance on it.

[Ryriena]

I have headcannoned that we've Mages tend to have a natual resentment to Lyruim that gives us the abilities to cast spells.

[Cerulione]

I don't think they've ever been able to make up their mind on this point; it seems to have been mostly dropped since DAO (I think?) I got the impression that someone had read an interview when they said they'd wanted to make it a mage-thing too, but it was too complicated to work into the game.

 

I want to know just to see how the dynamic goes on while Cullen's trying to go off Lyrium & his lover is hooked on it...

[Ryriena]

Yeah, but I'm not finding anything about IB/Dorian being potentially abusive.

Odd tbh because I remeber disscuing that

[frylock23]

I think lyrium for mages is entirely a choice whereas for Templars it isn't. So mages could get hooked on it, but Templars don't really have a choice. They have to use it systematically to maintain their abilities. Although Cassandra seems to hint that maybe it's not as necessary as it's been made out to be? Basically, someone realized that addicted Templars have a very useful leash on them.

 

But for mages, lyrium can be used to amplify power and unless you are that unlucky SOB who gets addicted on the first taste or the one who gets so addicted to power that you constantly amplify what you do, you can use lyrium occasionally for major work without having to worry. But like everything mages do, it takes willpower to resist the urge to keep taking more. However, since we know that no one makes it through the Harrowing without having a certain amount of willpower ...

[OfficerDonNZ]

In an updated version of my fic The Inquisitor, the King and the Hero. I'm working on I have King Alistair hint at the fact that mages run the risk of being addicted to Lyrium just as Templars do and just like Templars, mages don't need Lyrium to use their abilities.

 

It reads better than that though

[Annarl]

I just sacrificed Alistair and his last words were still "For the wardens" even though he romanced my Amell, is he supposed to say something else if he was romanced? 

Not as far as I know, he said the same thing for my male Quizzy

[frylock23]

When it comes to IB and Dorian, I think like anything it depends on the dynamic of the two involved. What you or I might find distasteful might be something another likes or even craves. I think we have to be careful when we start labeling a dynamic from the outside looking in. Everyone is big on not being judgmental and yet I am seeing a lot of that.

[Queen Rowan]

Well if we took things literally then he could be talking about THE "Dreamers" as in like Feyneral and what not. The half-elf kid teen from DA2...if that rings any bells?

 

I foresee that we may be taking a trip to Tevinter...or going West. Kal Sharok is also going to make its presence known all the more so at some point.

 

I'd rather save going to Tevinter for a whole game than a DLC. I want to be completely wowed.

[Annarl]

I don't think they've ever been able to make up their mind on this point; it seems to have been mostly dropped since DAO (I think?) I got the impression that someone had read an interview when they said they'd wanted to make it a mage-thing too, but it was too complicated to work into the game.

I think this right.  That's why we have the odd bits of information about Lyrium and it's use and abuse.

 

I prefer the idea that it affects mages as well.

[SmilesJA]

Cullen NO!

 

Please don't... please just don't. You know how it goes for you, others might not want same things... Please Cullen no...

 

Sometimes you have to do what's necessary to save the world. 

[Annarl]

That's... odd.  Solas definitely has more than two rounds of stories.  I don't know what happened- maybe you ran into some kind of bug?  You could try asking on the Solas thread if they have any insight or suggestions on a work around for that.  I don't know what else to tell you, other than I'm sorry- that sucks

 

http://greendelle.de...ctice-493625184

very nice!

[LolaLei]

what the frickle frack, Cullen

 

http://teyrna.tumblr...hit-right-there

 

That's our boy!     

[Hellion Rex]

what the frickle frack, Cullen

http://teyrna.tumblr...hit-right-there

Hell yeah, Cullen!

[frylock23]

Referring back to the dragon hunting:

 

Spoiler

I see why they say the Abyssal is tough. It has guard. It's a war of attrition. We fought it up and down for a good long time before downing it because it kept popping guard on us. It's also a fire dragon, so it nerfs any fire capabilities you have.

When you have two mages working the fire/ice angle, that makes it tougher. I had to go full KE and get up close and personal. I find it kind of funny that the only party member who needed rez was Iron Bull, about three times.

[frylock23]

Who better to know what lyrium deprivation will do than someone who went through it by choice? Tough b@st@rd to be willing to do it to others. Don't get on his bad side.

[LolaLei]

Ehh, if you express sympathy for the Red Templars while talking to him after judging Samson, he says flat out that he doesn't consider them really human anymore.

 

I agree with him. While I feel sorry for the ones that were forced/tricked into taking it they're all too far gone to be helped, they're dangerous and they're spreading red lyrium all over the place and killing innocent people. The good men they once were would want the Inquisition to kill them, and the bad ones deserve to die anyway. Cullen certainly has the right idea, in my opinion!

[TheLastArchivist]

Yeah, but I'm not finding anything about IB/Dorian being potentially abusive.

 

 

I have to agree on the not liking the IB relationship or dynamics.

 

Although, I'd also hate to assume the relationship between Dorian/IB is entirely unhealthy and that IB is a domineering abusive ass. I'm sure it could be though. Guess I'm just trying to see some good in IB. Love Dorian to bits, so I can see the concern. Thus, I'm not sure how to view things much less take a stance on it.

 

This whole IB being abusive argument was also strange to me. 

 

I think the fans that came up with that forgot that IB tends to give people he likes what they need.

And according to a Cole/Dorian banter, Dorian once knew a young man with whom he wanted to get involved, but never got the chance.

Dorian also dresses in a flashy way, displaying tons of sensuality, an indication he's after company -sexual or more than just that.

 

BDSM only involves pain if the participants want it. I think IB only sought Dorian out because he sensed the mage needed an outlet. Thus, our Qunari friend satisfies himself and Dorian, a mutual compromise, just like any adult relationship should be.

 

Maybe the fans that came up with this abusive theory never saw or haven't got a clue as to what it means for 2 people to willingly engage in a sexual relationship without the romance bit. It also might have something to do with both being men. So they find that rather odd. But it's a pretty common arrangement between single people.

[R2s Muse]

Instead of just lurking in the shadows I decided to join the BSN... (well... I realized I can log-in with my Origin account - yes, sometimes the obvious things are too obvious) and I can now join the Cullen-admirers here.

 

And can I shamelessly post a picture I am just so proud of...? That's one of the reasons I started drawing fanart... I can get pictures of the things for myself and don't have to try to explain to others what I would like to see ^^"

 

<loverly art snip>

(link to my devart: http://chenria.devia...escue-503712317 )

Hey, lady! Nice to see you around these parts. And lovely to see you post your beautiful art yourself! This one turned out smashing.

 

I don't think they've ever been able to make up their mind on this point; it seems to have been mostly dropped since DAO (I think?) I got the impression that someone had read an interview when they said they'd wanted to make it a mage-thing too, but it was too complicated to work into the game.

Yes, exactly this. I posted a link from DG earlier about how they couldn't implement lyrium addiction properly because mages would too quickly become addicted. I think anyone who overuses it would, but most mages don't. 

[R2s Muse]

This whole IB being abusive argument was also strange to me. 

 

I think the fans that came up with that forgot that IB tends to give people he likes what they need.

And according to a Cole/Dorian banter, Dorian once knew a young man with whom he wanted to get involved, but never got the chance.

Dorian also dresses in a flashy way, displaying tons of sensuality, an indication he's after company -sexual or more than just that.

 

BDSM only involves pain if the participants want it. I think IB only sought Dorian out because he sensed the mage needed an outlet. Thus, our Qunari friend satisfies himself and Dorian, a mutual compromise, just like any adult relationship should be.

 

Maybe the fans that came up with this abusive theory never saw or haven't got a clue as to what it means for 2 people to willingly engage in a sexual relationship without the romance bit. It also might have something to do with both being men. So they find that rather odd. But it's a pretty common arrangement between single people.

To be fair, David Gaider also acknowledged that their relationship has to potential to be unhealthy, but that the players only see a glimpse of part of it. So most of it is headcanon.

 

There is apparently a whole thread on this topic, however, so if folks want to partake more they may. 

[Cantina]

My husband finished his game last night. He chose a female elf and romanced Solas. I will say this: I am so glad I chose to romance Cullen (repeatedly) because I felt Solas romance was damn depressing. So much so I had to replay cut scenes from my Inquisitor’s and Cullen romance just to “wash” the depression out of my system.
 
Putting that aside…
 
Probably my biggest disappointment with Cullen’s Romance is the aftermath of Adamant. Going to put this in spoilers just to be safe.
 

Spoiler

In DA2 Hawke loses his/her mother which promoted a scene depending on who you romanced to come and comfort you.

In DAI after your tumble out of The Fade and then returning to Skyhold, I would have thought a similar cut scene would have played out. Granted it’s nowhere near as heartbreaking as losing one’s parent but it’s still an emotional moment.

An example. You go to Cullen (or whomever your romance is) click on them and a cut scene plays out of your Inquisitor in your private quarters. You both talk about what happened, how you are feeling, how Cullen (or whomever your romance is) feels and of course you the get the chance to ask the big question: Do you really think I (The Inquisitor) is The Herald of Andraste?”

I for one still have many questions in regards to this and it DOES bother me that I will probably never have answers. Sure, I could leave it to my own imagination, but this is not something as simple as, guessing if Cullen is a virgin or not.

A moment like this should have been in the game. Sadly however it was overlooked.

[TheLastArchivist]

To be fair, David Gaider also acknowledged that their relationship has to potential to be unhealthy, but that the players only see a glimpse of part of it. So most of it is headcanon.

 

There is apparently a whole thread on this topic, however, so if folks want to partake more they may. 

You know, even if Dorian is so...I wouldn't say promiscuous. Maybe sexually liberated sounds better. Even if he's so liberated, he gets pretty upset if the Inquisitor doesn't want to have a relationship with him.

When he leaves the room after sex, he looks very sad. Resignated, but sad.

 

He knows he cannot hope for more where men are concerned, but he craves for compromise. I believe that's why a sexual engagement with IB -or even with the Inquisitor- is unhealthy for our sassy mage.

[LolaLei]

I don't think it helps that a lot of people misunderstand the ins and outs (hur hur) of BDSM, it's not all/always about whips and chains or even hurting each other in the bedroom, so I think a lot of people are assuming Bull beats seven shades of sh*t out of Dorian with a whip or Maker knows what, lol. Plus, if Dorian didn't wanna shag/be in a relationship with Bull then he wouldn't, we all know how stubborn Dorian can be when he doesn't want to do something!

 

Both of them are big softies really, so I'm sure their relationship is as loving as the pair of them are if romancing the Inquisitor, we just don't get to see that.

 

... Can't say I'm pleased that they shagged on the war table though, I wanted my Inquisitor and Cullen to be the first to do it!