No...gotta choose between them. I personally would have sided with the templars in the "real world"...ie, if I were there, etc. Maybe that is why I felt a bit let down by the story when I took that path.
GAH. I have to reload now and try the other!!!!!!
LOL, I love how right after he's like "you should join us in the war room" all friendly again. Such a doof!
"THERE WILL BE ABOMINATIONS UNLEASHED EVERYWHERE!! HOW COULD YOU MAKE THAT DECISION TO ALLY WITH THE MAGES!?" 
Ten seconds later...
Well, I think my 2H Quizzie is going to be a lot less charitable toward mages than my previous two characters have been. So, that's how I'm going to play it.
Maybe you can head-cannon it like you want to help free the mages from being sold out but need the templars help to fight against the Venatori, so after being to Redcliffe you go and recruit the templars to do just that but it all goes horribly wrong by the time you have closed the breach?
I did something like that! When I played it, I purposefully did not go to Redcliffe, pretending that I intended to do that later, but they attacked me first. Made me feel a bit better about it!!!
No...gotta choose between them. I personally would have sided with the templars in the "real world"...ie, if I were there, etc. Maybe that is why I felt a bit let down by the story when I took that path.
Can I still have Dorian if I choose CoJ?
"THERE WILL BE ABOMINATIONS UNLEASHED EVERYWHERE!! HOW COULD YOU MAKE THAT DECISION TO ALLY WITH THE MAGES!?"
Ten seconds later...
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I like to blame the "mood swings" on his lyrium withdrawal! 
You get everyone no matter which side you choose. Dorian I think shows up like Cole does.
I did something like that! When I played it, I purposefully did not go to Redcliffe, pretending that I intended to do that later, but they attacked me first. Made me feel a bit better about it!!!
It is how I will be writing it in my fic because my Inquisitor is very much on the fence about everything. She doesn't think she knows enough about either faction to make an informed decision on what to do so her intentions was to always try and recruit both as allies. The templars came first because they would be able to help get the venatori out of Redcliffe but by then it was too late. Sad, and it gives me the feels because I can imagine my Inquisitor trying to bury away a lot of guilt over not being able to get there in time.
Can I still have Dorian if I choose CoJ?
Yes! You should try it! It is different! See what you think...
(...) and then turning my back on them to side with the Templars and knowing you are slaughtering them.
I might feel differently if I had the chance to talk to the Templars somewhere in a similar fashion and realize that many of them are just as sold out.
Your character doesn't know that their choice at that moment is determining the fate of either faction, though. You, the player, know it because there's a giant red message warning you that working with one side will make it impossible to work with the other. But your character doesn't know that.
With that, if you have Cassandra in your party at the time you meet Fiona, she's the first to suggest that you need the Templars to deal with this. That's actually the way the Champions choice was supposed to play out, if it had been as railroaded as the Whispers choice was: at the point where you meet Alexius, your character makes the choice of either dealing with the situation themselves, or deciding that this is beyond them and getting the Templars to handle it. Either way it goes balls up - but the knowledge that by choosing one side you are dooming the other is metagaming. Your character has no way of knowing that, so it would not even go into their consideration of how to deal with what they've just found.
Re. the chance to talk to the Templars before starting their quest: that's in the first time you go to Val Royeaux. You see Lucius, he makes an outrageous speech that raises a thousand red flags, gets his sanity questioned by Friendly Neighborhood Good Guy Ser Barris, and then again by Cassandra. All the plot signals that there is something very wrong with the Templars are in that scene. Perhaps because it's too early in the game some people have forgotten about it by the time they get to Redcliffe? But you do get the same forewarning for both sides.
See my first Quizzie went the other way with it. She felt like no one knew for sure where the Templars were, but they did know where the mages were. So the mages were a problem that could be directly addressed because there was a plan in place that could work. Meanwhile, the Templars could be searched for, and when they were found, they could be approached.
However, she felt the mages and the Tevinter in Redcliffe were sort of "now" emergencies.
Yes! You should try it! It is different! See what you think...
Now I'm really excited! I didn't know there were quests like this!! 
Have any of you guys tried MP yet? Its actually pretty fun
Re. the chance to talk to the Templars: that's in the first time you go to Val Royeaux. You see Lucius, he makes an outrageous speech that raises a thousand red flags, gets questioned by Friendly Neighborhood Good Guy Ser Barris, and then again by Cassandra. All the plot signals that there is something very wrong with the Templars are in that scene. Perhaps because it's too early in the game some people have forgotten about it by the time they get to Redcliffe? But you do get the same forewarning for both sides.
This! And the fact that when you are messing around in the Hinterlands after, you have that big "main quest symbol" up at Redcliffe, calling to you that you need to visit Fiona. And once you visit, you realize something is wrong there as well (ie, meeting Dorian). The problem is that the Templar stuff is a little forgotten by then (at least it was for me....like hours later) because you see some really messed up crap there and it is less nebulous than the weirdness in Val Royeux. Maybe the timing is the key problem here. You should get more insight into what is happening with both factions before making the critical decision. It felt so weighted towards "saving:" the mages who were basically selling themselves into slavery versus finding out why the templars are acting weird. I feel like the writers made it a bit biased, and timing was key...
So, um, jumping is apparently not my Dalish warrior's strong suit... (glad tonight's play hasn't been recorded )
This! And the fact that when you are messing around in the Hinterlands after, you have that big "main quest symbol" up at Redcliffe, calling to you that you need to visit Fiona. And once you visit, you realize something is wrong there as well (ie, meeting Dorian). The problem is that the Templar stuff is a little forgotten by then (at least it was for me....like hours later) because you see some really messed up crap there and it is less nebulous than the weirdness in Val Royeux. Maybe the timing is the key problem here. You should get more insight into what is happening with both factions before making the critical decision. It felt so weighted towards "saving:" the mages who were basically selling themselves into slavery versus finding out why the templars are acting weird. I feel like the writers made it a bit biased, and timing was key...
I definitely would've liked the choice of saving the templars or mages to happen after getting a good grasp of what was happening with each. Like, maybe we do part of each one's quest lines but then something bad happens and you have to make a split second decision to go to help the mages or templars and the result of that means that you're sacrificing the other to Corypheus' bidding... kinda like you see in The Wolf Among Us and The Walking Dead Telltale games where they always have you make a difficult choice just as sh*t hits the fan.
I get that, but I have no experience with the Templars beyond that and one guy questions him ... one.
It's no more weird than Fiona than Fiona showing up there.
There is no tableau where you go and move around and interact with as many of the Templars as you do with the mages, and so the head of the order goes rogue. That's no different than Fiona going rogue. But as of yet, there is no indication that it goes any deeper than that. You don't know he's a demon anymore than you know from Val Royeaux that Fiona has sold out her mages. That's all you see - an ambitious man deciding to make a play like Meredith likely would have in his place.
Most of the Chantry has gone rogue by that point so watching the Templars lose their loyalty isn't all that strange.
I get that, but I have no experience with the Templars beyond that and one guy questions him ... one.
It's no more weird than Fiona than Fiona showing up there.
There is no tableau where you go and move around and interact with as many of the Templars as you do with the mages, and so the head of the order goes rogue. That's no different than Fiona going rogue. But as of yet, there is no indication that it goes any deeper than that. You don't know he's a demon anymore than you know from Val Royeaux that Fiona has sold out her mages. That's all you see - an ambitious man deciding to make a play like Meredith likely would have in his place.
Most of the Chantry has gone rogue by that point so watching the Templars lose their loyalty isn't all that strange.
And to be fair, that woman did need a punch in the face, LOL!
Heh, if there was one mage who needed a good dose of the Tranquil ... it was her.
It felt so weighted towards "saving:" the mages who were basically selling themselves into slavery versus finding out why the templars are acting weird. I feel like the writers made it a bit biased, and timing was key...
Well, I personally feel like the writing in the entire series is heavily skewed towards "saving" mages who keep deliberately throwing themselves into whatever new mess they need to be "saved" from, so I don't disagree with that. 
But that's neither here nor there. The Whispers quest is very heavily railroaded and hand-holds the player into it, yes, which makes it the more frustrating because I consider the Champions quest (and the whole Templar side, really, including later nemesis and follow-up quests) better, and convincing people to give the other side a try is such an uphill battle.
But again, it's a matter of taste. Some people just won't like Champions or Under Her Skin even if they give the Templar side a fair shot, just like I didn't like Hushed Whispers or Before the Dawn, even though I did give them a fair shot. It is what it is.
Doesn't Fiona approach your Quizzy right outside the gates after the scene with Lucius at Val Royeaux? I know I've mentioned it before, but while I don't agree with Fiona's final decision it wasn't her ideal choice in the first place. She wanted to ally with the Inquisition, and Alexius manipulated her away from that. She might not have made the best of decisions throughout history but I think this was out of her control as well. When she approaches you, she isn't planning on selling herself out to the Venatori at all and she just wants to forge an alliance for the mages' safety. They don't end up allying with the Venatori until you reach Redcliffe after Alexius has used his time traveling powers to go back to a point in time before Fiona met you to force her hand. That's why she no longer remembers approaching you.
I actually didn't think there was anything wrong with the Templars at first and just saw it as a general feeling of unease within an organization that has been undergoing huge shifts in power/motive. Imo, both mages and templars were presented fairly at first and things just took a turn for the worst due to outside influences, and like a few others mentioned a while back, I felt like approaching the mages for their aid made more sense since their leader had expressed a desire to ally with me while I'd be having to court the Templars' favor. But I'd definitely have liked to save both factions, of course.
Have any of you guys tried MP yet? Its actually pretty fun
I have! Predictably, I'm in love with playing the Archer. Though I like the melee characters too, the Reaver is awesome.
Too many Keepers, though. It's hard to fix up decent teams, because everyone just wants to play Keeper, and very few people are willing to tank. The ME3 MP was more balanced, even though there were always way too many Infiltrators around, there was always a good number of Soldiers and Vanguards to balance them out too.
Doesn't Fiona approach your Quizzy right outside the gates after the scene with Lucius at Val Royeaux? I know I've mentioned it before, but while I don't agree with Fiona's final decision it wasn't her ideal choice in the first place. She wanted to ally with the Inquisition, and Alexius manipulated her away from that. (...)
Kind of. This is actually not very clear, because you need to do both sides before you realize it, but Fiona's appearance at Val Royeaux doesn't have just one explanation - it's apparently an adaptative reality that changes depending on which side you take. If you go with the mage quest, it's implied Alexius did some timey-wimey beeswax with Fiona there, the whole time travel mind control shennanigans. But if you go with the Templar quest, it's implied instead that VR!Fiona was another aspect of Envy: it postured as Fiona to lure you to Redcliffe and away from Therinfall, so it could complete its assimilation there without your interference.
I can see the reason why the mages are so silly in a sense. They have no real world experience. They've been mostly sequestered and cloistered, so why wouldn't they get themselves into all manner of trouble?
I have! Predictably, I'm in love with playing the Archer.
Too many Keepers, though.
lol i know what you mean.. as much as i like to play a rogue i also noticed that there weren't that many tanks so i decided to play as one, its actually not that bad once you get most of the abilities 
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