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[riverbanks]

I only done that quest once and it was full of glitches, what precisely is he like?

 

Too bitter, too resentful, too self-centered and self-congratulatory, too miopic and lacking the perspective that his experience is not universal, that his "options" are not everyone's "options," suddenly devoid of any compassion for people whose shoes he has been in, when compassion is the one thing that has defined Cullen to me throughout the series, too angry and disillusioned and just... generally not the same Cullen I saw emerge at the end of DA2, or even the beginning of DAI, up until that point. Usual caveat that this is my personal interpretation, but I felt just really disgusted with this version of Cullen by the end of Samson's judgement and all I wanted was a dialogue option to tell Cullen to stop talking, please stop talking before I have to personally go there and punch you in the face. *deep breath*

 

So I'm quite happy with none of that ever happening in my canon.

[MelissaGT]

But I still have to hear "I know why you cheated" without the ability to respond to it, blergh. I just wanted Ross to interrupt him and yell "YOU WERE ON A BREAK!" XD I'll think about it , besides the ending to ME3 I was irked with femshep's treatment in regards to romance *huggles DAI* can't say that about this game though! Thank you for cullen bioware

 

Try it with the MEHEM mod! You can get all the end-game squee you want! 

[LolaLei]

He gets almost desperate while trying to locate and capture Samson...kinda obsesses over the Red Templars. Then after the judgement, there is a scene where he wonders how that could have been him if things had been different. Then he asks the IQ if she ever wonders what her life could have been like if she was never at the Conclave, and you can select "And have a life without you? Never..." And you get one of the best smiles out of him evar:

 

I never got the cutscene with him because the judgement of Samson glitched... or maybe I killed him? I forget.

 

I actually really liked how obsessed he gets over trying to locate the red templars/Samson, especially if you can get that messenger ambient dialogue where he's pouring over a list he made trying to remember names of Templars he used to serve with to find out what became of them/if they're safe, then you find out from a messenger to one of the other advisors (or was it Cole?) that he was trying to locate Carroll who sprung to mind when his memory was jogged of something. 

 

I feel like it's an important part of his story arc, even if it's painful to watch him stress out and obsess over he needed to get it out of his system. He needed to see how close he came to becoming a red templar himself and how far he's come and how much he's changed for the better.

 

I just hope that whenever he wonders what life would be like if none of it had happened to him, that he remembers that two good things came from it: 1) his freedom and 2) (if romanced) the love of his life.

[MelissaGT]

Too bitter, too resentful, too self-centered and self-congratulatory, too miopic and lacking the perspective that his experience is not universal, that his "options" are not everyone's "options," suddenly devoid of any compassion for people whose shoes he has been in, when compassion is the one thing that has defined Cullen to me throughout the series, too angry and disillusioned and just... generally not the same Cullen I saw emerge at the end of DA2, or even the beginning of DAI, up until that point. Usual caveat that this is my personal interpretation, but I felt just really disgusted with this version of Cullen by the end of Samson's judgement and all I wanted was a dialogue option to tell Cullen to stop talking, please stop talking before I have to personally go there and punch you in the face. *deep breath*

 

So I'm quite happy with none of that ever happening in my canon.

 

Personally, I saw it as an emotional journey that he had to work through in order to move on. Yeah he was being obsessive and self-centered...but my IQ was still happy to act as the shoulder to cry on and help her man through it. By the time the quest line finishes, he seems to have reconciled with the "what could have beens" and has moved on.

[Penguin]

Yeah, I get where you're coming from. For me though, I love that part of the story since you get to see inside his head a bit more. 

I still haven't got to Before the Dawn, my pro-mage play through is just arrived at Skyhold and the blasted letters are in Emerald Grove, too hard for my level...

 

I'm so torn though(it seems like a pattern,I'm always torn about something in DA... ),even got a pro-con list of mage-tempar

 

pro-mage:

You get Dorian ASAP

Before you choose side, you actually know what's happening on mage side, it looks like a much more pressing matter, but Templar side is unclear, mostly you just assume Lord Seeker is an ass.

Feel like a jerk after Dorian ask for your help and you just go "nope...too much trouble, see ya", and later he had to risk his life to come warn you.

Mage side feels more canon and epic(maybe just for me), Dorian's mentor and his son are very interesting(and tragic) characters.

You get to save many good mage including Connor

You get Cullen's quest

 

pro-templar 

You get more Cullen(even it's not the really one)

Templars really helps inquisition's reputation.

You get Ser Barris

When you close the breach, Templars looked more dramatic with their swords.

Cullen is much happier in general if you get templars

In the end, because I always choose Cassandra as devine, most Templars would stay with Cullen, but mages would leave, and cause sort of conflict with the new circle.

 

So...yeah...I still have no idea...I'm just gonna...go lie down somewhere...

[MelissaGT]

I never got the cutscene with him because the judgement of Samson glitched... or maybe I killed him? I forget.

 

I actually really liked how obsessed he gets over trying to locate the red templars/Samson, especially if you can get that messenger ambient dialogue where he's pouring over a list he made trying to remember names of Templars he used to serve with to find out what became of them/if they're safe, then you find out from a messenger to one of the other advisors (or was it Cole?) that he was trying to locate Carroll who sprung to mind when his memory was jogged of something. 

 

I feel like it's an important part of his story arc, even if it's painful to watch him stress out and obsess over he needed to get it out of his system. He needed to see how close he came to becoming a red templar himself and how far he's come and how much he's changed for the better.

 

I just hope that whenever he wonders what life would be like if none of it had happened to him, that he remembers that two good things came from it: 1) his freedom and 2) (if romanced) the love of his life.

 

You said it much better than I did... 

[LolaLei]

Too bitter, too resentful, too self-centered and self-congratulatory, too miopic and lacking the perspective that his experience is not universal, that his "options" are not everyone's "options," suddenly devoid of any compassion for people whose shoes he has been in, when compassion is the one thing that has defined Cullen to me throughout the series, too angry and disillusioned and just... generally not the same Cullen I saw emerge at the end of DA2, or even the beginning of DAI, up until that point. Usual caveat that this is my personal interpretation, but I felt just really disgusted with this version of Cullen by the end of Samson's judgement and all I wanted was a dialogue option to tell Cullen to stop talking, please stop talking before I have to personally go there and punch you in the face. *deep breath*

 

So I'm quite happy with none of that ever happening in my canon.

 

See, I liked that because it showed that he's not completely over all the hell he's been through and rightly so. I found the pro-templar version of his story arc to be too smooth sailing given all the crap he'd seen/done/experienced over the years. I like that he's heavily flawed, so I enjoyed seeing him having that little crisis over the whole red templar thing.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love how much he's improved and how loving he is with the Inquisitor but I needed to see that all his healing hadn't been done between games. Personally, I would've liked to see him dealing with more problems in DAI than he did. For example his lyrium addiction questline felt like it was resolved too soon, obviously he wasn't miraculously cured the minute quest ends but it's barely ever mentioned again after that.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

You said it much better than I did... 

Lol, Lola has the sort of talent!

 

I would include my little thoughts on his quest, but I am a bit busy trying to recover a 3320 word document that was the basis for my story's first chapter.

[MelissaGT]

Lol, Lola has the sort of talent!

 

I would include my little thoughts on his quest, but I am a bit busy trying to recover a 3320 word document that was the basis for my story's first chapter.

 

Oh! I wish I could write like that. I'm good at communications and whatnot at work, but I would never be able to write an actual story.

 

Give me a camera on the other hand...boom...story... 

[LolaLei]

Lol, Lola has the sort of talent!

 

I would include my little thoughts on his quest, but I am a bit busy trying to recover a 3320 word document that was the basis for my story's first chapter.

 

I'm surprised what I typed up made any sense, it's 6:45am in the morning and I haven't slept lol.

[LolaLei]

Oh! I wish I could write like that. I'm good at communications and whatnot at work, but I would never be able to write an actual story.

 

Give me a camera on the other hand...boom...story... 

 

Oh, I can't write a story for ****. I have ideas but I can never articulate them in a way that's captivating or in story form, lol.

[SurelyForth]

The thing is, with the red templars, not only is it personal for him, it's something he has to deal with as the commander of the Inquisition. It's an issue complicated by his history and his experiences and his responsibilities. If he's bitter, it's because so many people he used to know are throwing away any chance at bettering themselves. If he's resentful, it's because Samson was able to reach out to those people and bring them into his (hopeless) cause while Cullen could not AND Cullen saw his own men killed by those under Samson's command. If he's self-centered, it's because Samson is his foil, his "what could have been" and he needs to drive that demon away as surely as he needs to break free from the Chantry and the trappings of the order. He needs to do it for himself, and he needs to do it for the Inquisition. 

 

And it's not as though he is completely unsympathetic- he feels a great deal of pity for those Samson led to corruption and death. If he can't forgive Samson himself, it's because he sees him as being far too complicit in the death and destruction caused by the red templars. 

 

(Basically, he's all of those things but it's narratively justified and part of an arc that is quiet well-resolved). 

[Tishina]

Ok, here's what Cullen will say if you bring up what happened with Envy (pick "I hope so"--the middle dialogue option--after he says that the templars are eager to prove themselves)

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

You know, this would make the great basis for a fanfic of a heart-to-heart talk between IQ and Cullen after he finally tells her what happened at Kinloch Hold during the Perseverance quest.

[riverbanks]

See, I liked that because it showed that he's not completely over all the hell he's been through and rightly so. I found the pro-templar version of his story arc to be too smooth sailing given all the crap he'd seen/done/experienced over the years. I like that he's heavily flawed, so I enjoyed seeing him having that little crisis over the whole red templar thing.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love how much he's improved and how loving he is with the Inquisitor but I needed to see that all his healing hadn't been done between games. Personally, I would've liked to have seen him dealing with more problem in DAI than he did. For example his lyrium addiction questline felt like it was resolved too soon, obviously he wasn't miraculously cured the minute quest ends but it's barely ever mentioned again after that.

 

I get that, in theory. It's just that the process of "healing," as it was depicted in game, did not leave him "healed" to me - it turned him into a really ugly person, who in the end neither me nor my character had any love left for. There's heavily flawed, which Cullen is, and then there's, I don't even know who this character is anymore. I dropped that playthrough once that quest concluded, because I was disgusted with the person Cullen had become. I did not see him heal, I saw him become everything he was once against. I love the idea of showing more insight into Cullen's mind, of showing more of the process of healing and finding peace with himself, but I do not like what was delivered for it. I wish it had been done differently, with more respect for his individual and less spite for his past, but alas, at least I do have the option to not have any of that in my game.

 

I will agree that his lyrium quest should have been about fifty times longer. It was... okay, I guess, but I would have traded all of the Before the Dawn word count for a longer, deeper, more poignant and complex quest about his addiction, that went more heavily into his conflicting emotions about the addiction itself and its effects in his life, his relationships, etc. That would have been a much better place to focus all that healing arc I would have liked to see, but really didn't.

[kalasaurus]

You know, this would make the great basis for a fanfic of a heart-to-heart talk between IQ and Cullen after he finally tells her what happened at Kinloch Hold during the Perseverance quest.

That's a great idea!  Any fanfic writers out there interested in picking up this prompt?  I'm sure something like this definitely happened off-camera.

[Penguin]

But I still have to hear "I understand why you cheated" without the ability to respond to it, blergh. I just wanted Ross to interrupt him and yell "YOU WERE ON A BREAK!" XD I'll think about it , besides the ending to ME3 I was irked with femshep's treatment in regards to romance *huggles DAI* can't say that about this game though! Thank you for cullen bioware

I really had a WTF moment after he said "I understand why you cheated.". I really want a reply option says "How the F is that cheating?!"

 

Not happy with Fem Shepard romance in ME3 except Garrus. Garrus is perfect...my female shepard will never romance anyone else...Sorry Tali

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Oh! I wish I could write like that. I'm good at communications and whatnot at work, but I would never be able to write an actual story.

 

Give me a camera on the other hand...boom...story... 

XD Writing isn't too bad once you get the hang of it. You just need to practice and stick with what you do best. For me that is building up tension and description.

 

OOOO I love photography!

 

I'm surprised what I typed up made any sense, it's 6:45am in the morning and I haven't slept lol.

I feel your pain...I did that last night and I woke up with a face that was one that would make the uni-brow guy from The Hobbit look stellar.

 

Oh, I can't write a story for ****. I have ideas but I can never articulate them in a way that's captivating or in story form, lol.

I bet you could be a great writer! I have the same problem with having ideas, but not being able to convey them in a way that will grab my audience. So I take a break and come back later when I am more rested and relaxed.

[riverbanks]

You know, this would make the great basis for a fanfic of a heart-to-heart talk between IQ and Cullen after he finally tells her what happened at Kinloch Hold during the Perseverance quest.

 

Wriiiiiite iiiiiiiit. *poorly made wind sounds *

[kalasaurus]

Dumping Kaidan for Garrus was fun... but I have to say, I really liked moving on from Kaidan to Samantha, mwahaha.  He acts like she waited for him, and as soon as he returns to the Normandy she takes a shower with her cute Comm Specialist.

 

[Zarro-Morningstar]

That's a great idea!  Any fanfic writers out there interested in picking up this prompt?  I'm sure something like this definitely happened off-camera.

Don't look at me, lol! I am going to be busy for quite some time with stories I have lined up already...plus if I have to retype that long ass chapter..I may go a little psycho. 

[kalasaurus]

Don't look at me, lol! I am going to be busy for quite some time with stories I have lined up already...plus if I have to retype that long ass chapter..I may go a little psycho. 

 

[Penguin]

Dumping Kaidan for Garrus was fun... but I have to say, I really liked moving on from Kaidan to Samantha, mwahaha.  He acts like she waited for him, and as soon as he returns to the Normandy she takes a shower with her cute Comm Specialist.

 

I...sort of just exchanged him for Ash...She was much more adorable in ME3, and I love that drunk scene on the floor. Shepard was so evil: "Let's test Normandy's fire alarm! Or I could order Joker singing to you over the comm...  "

[Penguin]

Don't look at me, lol! I am going to be busy for quite some time with stories I have lined up already...plus if I have to retype that long ass chapter..I may go a little psycho. 

Oh but now you have to do it, coz she pulled the cat on you. NOBODY SAYS NO TO THAT CAT!

[kalasaurus]

I...sort of just exchanged him for Ash...She was much more adorable in ME3, and I love that drunk scene on the floor. Shepard was so evil: "Let's test Normandy's fire alarm! Or I could order Joker singing to you over the comm...  "

I actually haven't had a playthrough with Ash surviving past Virmire.  If I ever go through the trilogy again, I'll have to give her a chance.  I really loved Ash in ME1, and the sisterly bond she had with my FemShep.  It's nice to see that still lasts into ME3.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Nice try...but....