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The thing is, with the red templars, not only is it personal for him, it's something he has to deal with as the commander of the Inquisition. It's an issue complicated by his history and his experiences and his responsibilities. If he's bitter, it's because so many people he used to know are throwing away any chance at bettering themselves to serve Corypheus. If he's resentful, it's because Samson was able to reach out to those people and bring them into his nowehere cause while Cullen could not AND Cullen saw his own men killed by those under Samson's command. If he's self-centered, it's because Samson is his foil, his "what could have been" and he needs to drive that demon away as surely as he needs to break free from the Chantry and the trappings of the order. He needs to do it for himself, and he needs to do it for the Inquisition. 

 

And it's not as though he is completely unsympathetic- he feels a great deal of pity for those Samson led to corruption and death. If he can't forgive Samson himself, it's because he sees him as being far too complicit in the death and destruction caused by the red templars. 

 

I think a big part of Cullen's behaviour during those scenes is born of fear about how easily that could've been him, and guilt at his own past behaviour whilst stationed in Kirkwall/Kinloch Hold after his torture. When Cullen gets scared he gets very rude, very vocal... and very self righteous, lol.

 

We all know what he's like, he'll blame himself for not trying hard enough or for not being vigilant enough to see the corruption coming etc. Plus, according to Hawke a lot of the Kirkwall templars turned to red lyrium and ran Hawke 'n' co out of the city (if you went pro-templar) so Cullen's bound to feel guilty for failing to stop those of his men that started huffing the red stuff (which clearly happened regardless of whether you went pro-mage or pro-templar). He also knows how close he came to becoming a complete zealot like Meredith, which he displays remorse for early on in the game.

 

We also need to take into account that Samson serves as Cullen's "evil" counterpart, Samson is Coyrpheus' Commander in the same way that Cullen is the Inquisition's Commander, and what's worse is that he knows the man personally and used to share a room with him! Samson knows Cullen's achilles heel, or at least Cullen thinks he does. To him it's like looking in the mirror and seeing the man he very nearly became if things had turned out differently... and they very easily could have.

 

I wish Cullen had confided a little more in the Inquisitor throughout the whole fiasco, especially if romanced because the poor guy is clearly suffering (mostly in silence). I like to head canon that what we didn't see is all those times/nights where the Inquisitor held him close, soothed his nightmare fueled anxieties and calmed him when he was freaking out and going into obsessed mode as a result. I think by the time we do his nemesis quest and Samson's judgement she'd know Cullen's little tells and habits well enough to know that his anger etc surrounding the whole red templar/Samson situation is a direct result of him being terrified of all that happened and what almost came to pass.


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#110602
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I get that, in theory. It's just that the process of "healing," as it was depicted in game, did not leave him "healed" to me - it turned him into a really ugly person, who in the end neither me nor my character had any love left for. There's heavily flawed, which Cullen is, and then there's, I don't even know who this character is anymore. I dropped that playthrough once that quest concluded, because I was disgusted with the person Cullen had become. I did not see him heal, I saw him become everything he was once against. I love the idea of showing more insight into Cullen's mind, of showing more of the process of healing and finding peace with himself, but I do not like what was delivered for it. I wish it had been done differently, with more respect for his individual and less spite for his past, but alas, at least I do have the option to not have any of that in my game.

 

I will agree that his lyrium quest should have been about fifty times longer. It was... okay, I guess, but I would have traded all of the Before the Dawn word count for a longer, deeper, more poignant and complex quest about his addiction, that went more heavily into his conflicting emotions about the addiction itself and its effects in his life, his relationships, etc. That would have been a much better place to focus all that healing arc I would have liked to see, but really didn't.

 

If it helps, he goes back to his usual DAI self after the quest is concluded... which, when I think about it, is a bit of a cop out lol.



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Oh but now you have to do it, coz she pulled the cat on you. NOBODY SAYS NO TO THAT CAT!

Trust me I have dealt with sad cats, sad puppies, sad siblings...and my response is the above. I think a fic like that is way more up R2's and Ti's alley, lol!


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I...sort of just exchanged him for Ash...She was much more adorable in ME3, and I love that drunk scene on the floor. Shepard was so evil: "Let's test Normandy's fire alarm! Or I could order Joker singing to you over the comm... :whistle: "

 

I wish all that flirting with James could have turned into something...less...creepy...than what we got with the Citadel DLC. Cuz bulging muscles and neck tattoos? OH MY...

 

There is some great fanfic out there though. 



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Wriiiiiite iiiiiiiit. *poorly made wind sounds :P*

Sadly, it would fit in well with the Zima story, except I haven't actually played through CoJ, and my first one I'm playing is siding with the mages. I already have a talk between Zima and Cullen half-written that continues from the point when she tells him he's strong enough to make it; I'm a bit hesitant to try to insert that without actually knowing the quest better. Let me think about it; I was taking the conversation in a different direction, to be honest, and I'd have to find a new opening for that conversation later because it explains a chunk of her personality. I also think the conversation would be more heartfelt if it involved a romanced inquisitor (Oh, R2?)

 

On the upside, I got a banter tonight I hadn't heard before that gives me the perfect reason for a spat between Sera and Solas for a piece of story that's had me writer blocked for a week :P


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I actually haven't had a playthrough with Ash surviving past Virmire.  If I ever go through the trilogy again, I'll have to give her a chance.  I really loved Ash in ME1, and the sisterly bond she had with my FemShep.  It's nice to see that still lasts into ME3.

I never had a PT with Ash survived Virmire before ME3 so I almost forgot what she looked like...because I just never had the heart to leave Kaidan with nuke in ME1. But then after first PT of ME3...I just downloaded a save editor... :unsure:



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If it helps, he goes back to his usual self after the quest is concluded... which, when I think about it, is a bit of a cop out lol.

Totally random...but did anyone ever think their mount was talking to you when you switched our your mount for a new one? I did! I kept hearing "Inquisition" from somewhere and then my mount would rear up as that was spoken...later I found out Dennet was saying it, but I was like O_O for a long time.



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I actually haven't had a playthrough with Ash surviving past Virmire.  If I ever go through the trilogy again, I'll have to give her a chance.  I really loved Ash in ME1, and the sisterly bond she had with my FemShep.  It's nice to see that still lasts into ME3.

 

All it took was for her to make those anti-alien comments about Garrus for me to forever assign her to "sit on nuke" duty.  :bandit:


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I wish all that flirting with James could have turned into something...less...creepy...than what we got with the Citadel DLC. Cuz bulging muscles and neck tattoos? OH MY...

 

There is some great fanfic out there though. 

Yeah, I don't know what the writers were thinking with that "romance".  James is clearly upset the morning after, too.  wtf.



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Yeah, I don't know what the writers were thinking with that "romance".  James is clearly upset the morning after, too.  wtf.

You have seen nothing as bad as a Javick fic.*or his scene for that matter* He is your other option if you are not in a romance.



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If it helps, he goes back to his usual self after the quest is concluded... which, when I think about it, is a bit of a cop out lol.

 

Hah! Yeah, I think I would feel even more cognitive dissonance if, after all that, he went back to his old sweet, gentle, compassionate Cullen.

 

Anyway, I get that we all have different interpretations of everything, even of Cullen himself, and my interpretation of his character in that quest is generally the unpopular opinion in this thread... and probably the whole Cullen fandom, lol. I can respect that. But you asked, so there it is. ;)


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Yeah, I don't know what the writers were thinking with that "romance".  James is clearly upset the morning after, too.  wtf.

 

It's never happened to me personally, but I imagine that's what "oh crap what did I do last night" looks like...  :lol:



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Totally random...but did anyone ever think their mount was talking to you when you switched our your mount for a new one? I did! I kept hearing "Inquisition" from somewhere and then my mount would rear up as that was spoken...later I found out Dennet was saying it, but I was like O_O for a long time.

This changes everything- it's official, this is the new intro to DA: I:


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You have seen nothing as bad as a Javick fic.*or his scene for that matter* He is your other option if you are not in a romance.

 

Except Javik actually gloats about it. Shep is the one to go crawling away in shame.  :sick:



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I wish all that flirting with James could have turned into something...less...creepy...than what we got with the Citadel DLC. Cuz bulging muscles and neck tattoos? OH MY...

 

There is some great fanfic out there though. 

I know, I never done that in game but I watched video...He seems really uncomfortable and it feels like sexual harrasment especially when Shepard is his supirior. He is very cute, but the whole situation where Shepard kept pushing is just very...creepy...

 

I'll just leave him with Ashley...they seems quite happy on the party.



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All it took was for her to make those anti-alien comments about Garrus for me to forever assign her to "sit on nuke" duty.  :bandit:

 

She was rude about Garrus?! Oh hell naw! I knew there was a god reason for making her sit on that nuke every single time! I mean, I knew she had a few racism issues but I didn't know she was actually rude about Garrus! I must have zoned out when she was talking or something!  :lol:


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This changes everything- it's official, this is the new intro to DA: I:

YES! That fits perfectly for the new intro with my little...misinterpretation of who was speaking.



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Hah! Yeah, I think I would feel even more cognitive dissonance if, after all that, he went back to his old sweet, gentle, compassionate Cullen.

 

Anyway, I get that we all have different interpretations of everything, even of Cullen himself, and my interpretation of his character in that quest is generally the unpopular opinion in this thread... and probably the whole Cullen fandom, lol. I can respect that. But you asked, so there it is. ;)

 

I just find it interesting. If I'm honest, I just like seeing Cullen going through hell because it makes the relationship all the more poignant and sweet by the end when they've overcome all the shite.



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You have seen nothing as bad as a Javick fic.*or his scene for that matter* He is your other option if you are not in a romance.

OMG,I was just about to mention that scene. That was so hilarious though. Javick kinda remind me of Sten in DAO.

 

"KNEE BEFORE JAVICK!" :rolleyes:



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I know, I never done that in game but I watched video...He seems really uncomfortable and it feels like sexual harrasment especially when Shepard is his supirior. He is very cute, but the whole situation where Shepard kept pushing is just very...creepy...

 

I'll just leave him with Ashley...they seems quite happy on the party.

 

I really like all the flirting that happens...except with the Citadel DLC. Of course, my Garrus-Shep would never flirt with someone else. During the party she's more interested in dropping eaves on Garrus and her bestie, Zaeed, booby-trapping the apartment for her safety. 

 

I never see Ashley at the party because...perma "sit on nuke" duty...  :lol:

 

I have a romance-less Shep (well, after Kaidan dumped her and she was mean to him in the beginning so the romance never re-fired) that DID sleep with James...because Javik...NO. 



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She was rude about Garrus?! Oh hell naw! I knew there was a god reason for making her sit on that nuke every single time! I mean, I knew she had a few racism issues but I didn't know she was actually rude about Garrus! I must have zoned out when she was talking or something!  :lol:

Oh trust me it is easy to zone out when Ashely is speaking. I mean..."Blah blah blah Ima soldier, blah blah blah my family can kick some ass, blah blah blah I am miss perfect, blah blah blah did you see my ass...because I was quite sure the camera focused on it quite a few times..."

 

Oh sorry I slipped into Miranda at the end.... :ph34r:



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OMG,I was just about to mention that scene. That was so hilarious though. Javick kinda remind me of Sten in DAO.

 

"KNEE BEFORE JAVICK!" :rolleyes:

I had about as much love for Javick as I did for Sten...up until the point they said something so random and funny.

"Where is the cake!? I was told there was to be cake...the cake is a lie..."

And as you quoted above...that is what made me find Javick amusing.



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I really like all the flirting that happens...except with the Citadel DLC. Of course, my Garrus-Shep would never flirt with someone else. During the party she's more interested in dropping evaes on Garrus and her bestie, Zaeed, booby-trapping the apartment for her safety. 

 

I never see Ashley at the party because...perma "sit on nuke" duty...  :lol:

 

I have a romance-less Shep (well, after Kaidan dumped her and she was mean to him in the beginning so the romance never re-fired) that DID sleep with James...because Javik...NO. 

I heard it took more than romance-less for that scene to happened? Like he has to be your most commonly used teammate, get his approval and so. But that's just what I gathered. I don't have a female Shepard that is not romancing Garrus :ph34r:



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She was rude about Garrus?! Oh hell naw! I knew there was a god reason for making her sit on that nuke every single time! I mean, I knew she had a few racism issues but I didn't know she was actually rude about Garrus! I must have zoned out when she was talking or something!  :lol:

 

 

Like I said, PERMA SIT-ON-NUKE DUTY...



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Oh trust me it is easy to zone out when Ashely is speaking. I mean..."Blah blah blah Ima soldier, blah blah blah my family can kick some ass, blah blah blah I am miss perfect, blah blah blah did you see my ass...because I was quite sure the camera focused on it quite a few times..."

 

Oh sorry I slipped into Miranda at the end.... :ph34r:

She was more lovable in ME3 though, as she really tried to understand Shepard even when she's not agreeing with her/him. But I also love Miranda...and Jack...

 

Damn male Shepard got too many good choices... :whistle: