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[neonmoth]

And now I'm thinking of a Celene/Gaspard wedding, and imagining neither would come out of it alive. Perhaps we should have tried that option, let them kill each other and put Schmooples on the throne of Orlais.

 

 

A true red wedding! Oh man, that would've been great!

 

Now I am severly disappointed that wasn't the option!!

[QweenBeen]

So what should have been done?

Simple.

Cullen and the Inquisitor are laying on the floor next to the desk sleeping. The Inquisitor wakes up to Cullen’s thrashing. The dialogue plays out, (which should have been a bit more). They kiss. Cullen nods The Inquisitor, stands up and walks off screen to get dressed for the day. Cullen falls back on the floor and sighs with a smile on his face.

I can forgo the whole heavy armor Cullen laying and possibly crushing the Inquisitor but everything else is not only silly but poorly thought out.

Sure, give the other romances intimate sexy time, but for Cullen, have his girl sit on the bed in those ugly ass pajamas. Ugh!

Don't forget the messenger drones walking in and out of the room

I romanced Dorian and Cass in addition to Cullen, and it was nice to see them immediately after instead of the morning after. It makes it more intimate then seeing them after they have woken up. Agree on the bed scene, a bed sheet over both of them would've worked better to preserve Cullen's *ahem* modesty. However loooved the desk and i dont even think his armor is heavy, is it? It's a chest plate with a piece of fabric over it. Seems more ornamental.

Bed is good too...Naughty things can happen on ladders

[LolaLei]

Now I am severly disappointed that wasn't the option!!

 

I can't say I'm particularly keen on any of the choice for the Orlesian throne, even Briala pulling strings as the ruler whilst Gaspard is just the puppet isn't great. It really is a case of picking the lesser evil.

[riverbanks]

How is it that I managed to get Cullen to smuggle the couple out by having them dress up as Inquisition Soldiers then? Cos that's what happened in mine.

 

You took either the 2.1.2.A or 2.2.1.A paths I described there. Like I said, it's possible for Cullen to get them married, get them to elope, and even get them killed. It all depends on where you branch out during the quest chain.

[neonmoth]

How is it that I managed to get Cullen to smuggle the couple out by having them dress up as Inquisition Soldiers then? Cos that's what happened in mine.

Ask me and I'll just give you a pretty eye. I have no idea what choices I made in this quest, it is even possible I got the wedding but I never attended

 

Just to jump in here, the best option for the war table missions is usually the shortest timed one. I've been working on that basis, as everything has worked out pretty well

Uhh, I like to roleplay a bit so I mix it between the pts. Also there are few instances where I got the outcome I didn't like from the "optimal" advisor. I will try to remember about that in this instance tho. It breaks my heart to have the clan slaughtered.

[riverbanks]

Just to jump in here, the best option for the war table missions is usually the shortest timed one. I've been working on that basis, as everything has worked out pretty well

 

It seems like that at first, but I've learned that's not always the case. Cullen's path is consistently the shortest one in the Wardens quest chain, in example, and it's the one that gets all your Warden allies killed. Josie's is the longest one, and it's the one where the most Wardens survive. Some of the "preferred" advisor choices are really there just to trip you into the worst decisions you could possibly make.

[LolaLei]

Don't forget the messenger drones walking in and out of the room

I romanced Dorian and Cass in addition to Cullen, and it was nice to see them immediately after instead of the morning after. It makes it more intimate then seeing them after they have woken up. Agree on the bed scene, a bed sheet over both of them would've worked better to preserve Cullen's *ahem* modesty. However loooved the desk and i dont even think his armor is heavy, is it? It's a chest plate with a piece of fabric over it. Seems more ornamental.

Bed is good too...Naughty things can happen on ladders

 

Mind you, the vanilla versions of the DA:O sex scenes are pretty dire too! Having the "after sex" convo fully dressed back in the main campsite area, LOL! Fortunately modders managed to adapt it to have the convo take place whilst the couple are still laying together in the afterglow.

[MelissaGT]

Heh, my main Shep is totally bamf and renegade through and through and I cannot imagine her with anybody else but Kaidan. Love the dynamic between his sweet paragon's ass and my raging lunatic hero of the galaxy. Also by renegading Kaidan in ME1 you can have some sweet lines from him (team milky way ftw) and because I am a sucker for fun flirt lines, nothing beats her bipolar behaviour before the almost kiss scene. The only thing I am not keen on is Kaidan's "cheated" line in me3 It is so OOC to me but I never had to endure it since I cannot break his romance once I started. I need to Virmire him for the feels and keep Ash instead. I actually don't mind Horizon that much, since my first Shep was Sole Survivor and abhorred the idea of working with Cerberus (after completing all the side quests in ME1 and having an encounter with Toombs). For this reason I really struggled to like ME2 plot. But I came to love the cast so that solved it. When it comes to romances it is usually not my personal preference but characters' dynamic that dictates the final choice. I am sometimes surprised by that so much For the record I love Garrus as well, I am just super attached to my Shep-Kai pairing cause it was my very first ME experience and I love this game to bits.

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I am out of likes again but this

 

Oh don't get me wrong - my Shep was besties with Garrus in ME:1 and was all about Kaidan. But ME:2 on just completely soured me to his character. To me what he does shows that he never really knew her at all. But Garrus did. Kaidan broke her heart and Garrus was there for her through everything and never questioned who she was. The whole scene on Omega when she finds Archangel just OMG...*swoon*

 

With a renegade Shep/Garrus, the "us against the world" dynamic is just fantabulous. 

[HelenMac321]

I did my first playthrough that way but what if you have more time saving agents for one than another? Is the clear choice of advisor muddled by that?

 

I've been fairly lucky in that when I need a specific adviser for a mission, they are usually free, or on a very short mission. I have the Prima Inquisition guidebook and it says something along the lines of 'usually the adviser who takes the least time on a mission is the most effective'  

[neonmoth]

I can't say I'm particularly keen on any of the choice for the Orlesian throne, even Briala pulling strings as the ruler whilst Gaspard is just the puppet isn't great. It really is a case of picking the lesser evil.

I can't say I am either. None of the outcomes screams stability and bright future to but I guess Orlesian throne is high stakes so it will always involve some variation of lesser evil.

[HelenMac321]

It seems like that at first, but I've learned that's not always the case. Cullen's path is consistently the shortest one in the Wardens quest chain, in example, and it's the one that gets all your Warden allies killed. Josie's is the longest one, and it's the one where the most Wardens survive. Some of the "preferred" advisor choices are really there just to trip you into the worst decisions you could possibly make.

 

Ahh, thanks for your advice! I'll keep that in mind next time I think I should go for the shortest timed option

[QweenBeen]

Mind you, the vanilla versions of the DA:O sex scenes are pretty dire too! Having the "after sex" convo fully dressed back in the main campsite area, LOL! Fortunately modders managed to adapt it to have the convo take place whilst the couple are still laying together in the afterglow.

Yeah I totally forget what the vanilla version is anymore. When the tools come out for DAI, perhaps this can be salvaged as well.

[LolaLei]

Don't forget the messenger drones walking in and out of the room

I romanced Dorian and Cass in addition to Cullen, and it was nice to see them immediately after instead of the morning after. It makes it more intimate then seeing them after they have woken up. Agree on the bed scene, a bed sheet over both of them would've worked better to preserve Cullen's *ahem* modesty. However loooved the desk and i dont even think his armor is heavy, is it? It's a chest plate with a piece of fabric over it. Seems more ornamental.

Bed is good too...Naughty things can happen on ladders

 

I actually liked that we saw Cullen and the Inquisitor the morning after (though it could've been handled better) mainly because I like the fact that we can see they'd spent the night together and fell asleep in each others arms... I think Cullen needs that, what with his nightmares and stuff. It's quite sad to think that he'd been sleeping alone and suffering in silence for so long, poor baby.

[neonmoth]

It seems like that at first, but I've learned that's not always the case. Cullen's path is consistently the shortest one in the Wardens quest chain, in example, and it's the one that gets all your Warden allies killed. Josie's is the longest one, and it's the one where the most Wardens survive. Some of the "preferred" advisor choices are really there just to trip you into the worst decisions you could possibly make.

Hmm, I am almost certain I tried josie's this time and they suddently started getting killed. I had to stop this chain at all cause I didn't want to lose them. Unless something bugged...

[LolaLei]

Yeah I totally forget what the vanilla version is anymore. When the tools come out for DAI, perhaps this can be salvaged as well.

 

If nothing else they'll be able to remove the Inquisitor's clothes in that morning after scene and put Cullen in a different outfit, which is better than what we've currently got.

[QweenBeen]

I've been fairly lucky in that when I need a specific adviser for a mission, they are usually free, or on a very short mission. I have the Prima Inquisition guidebook and it says something along the lines of 'usually the adviser who takes the least time on a mission is the most effective'

Oops! I think my response to your post was uber confusing. Some of the agents you gather in the field save time for your advisors. I have the Prima Guide too, but perhaps these agents don't save enough time to have any impact?

[riverbanks]

I can't say I am either. None of the outcomes screams stability and bright future to but I guess Orlesian throne is high stakes so it will always involve some variation of lesser evil.

 

I'm telling you, Schmooples II for Empress of Orlais. Let's make this happen.

[Monica21]

I've been fairly lucky in that when I need a specific adviser for a mission, they are usually free, or on a very short mission. I have the Prima Inquisition guidebook and it says something along the lines of 'usually the adviser who takes the least time on a mission is the most effective'

I have the guide too, and "effective" sometimes isn't the best outcome, or at least, the outcome you want. Someone mentioned the Warden quest chain and I think choosing Cullen is the quickest, but also gets all your Wardens killed. And really, taking the time to spy or use diplomacy will take longer than just hacking things to bits.

[neonmoth]

Oh don't get me wrong - my Shep was besties with Garrus in ME:1 and was all about Kaidan. But ME:2 on just completely soured me to his character. To me what he does shows that he never really knew her at all. But Garrus did. Kaidan broke her heart and Garrus was there for her through everything and never questioned who she was. The whole scene on Omega when she finds Archangel just OMG...*swoon*
 
With a renegade Shep/Garrus, the "us against the world" dynamic is just fantabulous.

Heh, I am the oppsite, I liked my paragon with Garrus the most (altho I did the rene-duo with him as well). I swear I don't always go for opposite attracts, in this game tho...

[neonmoth]

I'm telling you, Schmooples II for Empress of Orlais. Let's make this happen.

 You've He's got my full support! Frankly with good advisor behind his back nobody would bat an eyelash

 

Edit: I swear I try not to double post... so have a Cullen romantic headbut

 

[riverbanks]

Hmm, I am almost certain I tried josie's this time and they suddently started getting killed. I had to stop this chain at all cause I didn't want to lose them. Unless something bugged...

 

It's not straight Josie all the way through, she's just the best pick for the second-to-last relevant choice. The optimal path for this chain is:

 

Investigate Val Gamord: Cullen
Drive Darkspawn from Val Gamord: Josephine
Search Mines in Gamordan Peaks: Leliana
Protect Val Gamord from Darkspawn: Cullen
Find Source of Darkspawn Attacks: Leliana
Pursue Marquise Bouffon: Leliana
Defeat Marquise Bouffon: Josephine
Destroy Darkspawn Outbreak: any, outcome is always the same.

 

You're probably remembering that final mission, where the Wardens take losses no matter who you choose (the tunnels collapse, taking a bunch of them with the darkspawn). But via this path you have the most Wardens alive, with high morale, and regaining public support in the end.

[riverbanks]

 You've He's got my full support! Frankly with good advisor behind his back nobody would bat an eyelash

 

The Warden's and Hawke's mabaris would make excellent advisors for Empress Schmooples. They've seen some sh!t.

[QweenBeen]

Lol, I love his special brand of snark.

the best was the "tour" with Florianne that I just got today, heavily paraphrasing:

Spoiler

"we could parade her head on a pike! No, I was just joking...Now you want to parade her head on a pike...*sigh*"

Cullen kiss for that one

Edit: twice in a day! Topsies!

[MelissaGT]

When it comes to the Cullen romance, I will say the whole “Smexy Time” was disappointing. It started off good then it went south.  

 

Cullen tossing crap off his desk was rather ambiguous of him, I had way too many issues with this.

 

This scene would be perfectly fine if Cullen ran around in normal attire, but being in full heavy armor just makes this scene awkward.

 

For starters a man lying on top of a woman in full heavy armor, well, I can hear the female Inquisitor’s ribs crunching. Then you have the female Inquisitor spending more time trying to figure out how the hell to get Cullen’s armor off, or for that matter where to even start.

 

The next scene was, just ugh. I for one wonder how the hell they went from being downstairs to upstairs. You don’t see Cassandra and the male Inquisitor in a small grove then in the next scene on top of a mountain.

 

Then the female Inquisitor is sitting on the edge of the bed in those ghastly beige pajamas with Cullen nude behind her. This is NOT intimate nor sexy. The fact the Inquisitor is fully dressed throws the whole scene off. Bioware tries to pull the intimacy back in by having romantic dialogue, but it does not work, the damage is already done.

 

So what should have been done?

 

Simple.

 

Cullen and the Inquisitor are laying on the floor next to the desk sleeping. The Inquisitor wakes up to Cullen’s thrashing. The dialogue plays out, (which should have been a bit more). They kiss. Cullen nods The Inquisitor, stands up and walks off screen to get dressed for the day. Cullen falls back on the floor and sighs with a smile on his face.

 

I can forgo the whole heavy armor Cullen laying and possibly crushing the Inquisitor but everything else is not only silly but poorly thought out.

 

Sure, give the other romances intimate sexy time, but for Cullen, have his girl sit on the bed in those ugly ass pajamas. Ugh!

 

I really don't have any complaints about the romance scene. To me it was very hawt and totally works with his normally tight-laced and controlled character. That bottle breaking was like the *snap* that he needed to go from tightly controlled to REOWR!

 

• Armor - It makes sense for him to still be in his armor because he's still working when the scene starts. it's not like he's wearing that ginormous massive armor you can get in DA:O. He's pretty much just wearing a breastplate and bracers. In the cutscene you can see that he's supporting himself with one arm. What we don't see when the scene fades out is that he probably gets off her pretty quickly to get the armor off. I can easily imagine in my head some frantic armor-removal attempts on her part only for him to have to help her. Then again, I use CheatEngine, so my IQ is always wearing her own armor. So frantic armor-removal on both their parts ensues. 
• Downstairs to Upstairs - Downstairs happens at night. I imagine they sealed the deal on the desk (maybe on the floor, or both). The next part of the scene happens the next day. What's to say they didn't get partially dressed and go upstairs to spend the rest of the night? What we see is her getting ready for the day - she obviously got up before he did. Yes, I could totally appreciate the scene being different and showing them spooning under a snuggly blanket or something, but I'm still ok with what we got. The head-butting scene is very touching. 

[HelenMac321]

Oops! I think my response to your post was uber confusing. Some of the agents you gather in the field save time for your advisors. I have the Prima Guide too, but perhaps these agents don't save enough time to have any impact?

 

Oh, that's true! I never thought of that. I'm guessing they maybe save a minute or so, dependent on the time of the mission? I think I read somewhere that they maybe decrease mission time by 5%? I may be wrong aha.