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I think the POV thing is best achieved if you can thoroughly live inside the head of each of the characters you intend to write. It's like role-playing them. Then you have to be able to switch between the two and keep the information each has separated.

 

In a sense, if you've ever done tabletop RPG and played more than one character simultaneously, it's a taste of what you're attempting to do but only a taste because the writer also has to keep track of the plot and all those threads, too.



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LOL!!! Nooo don't compare me to him; his writing is so bad >.>

 

Honestly 5000 words is not a lot. Not for, say, a 20-chapter fic. And, again, it's not the length but the quality of your content that will turn readers away. Plus, you know... you should never write for the readers. Write for yourself :) Write a story you enjoy, and other people will enjoy it, too. I posted my original fic with those loooong chapters :P on fictionpress.net (sister site to fanfiction.net) and have 74 reviews and 156 faves, and this is from people randomly finding the fic using tags (so it's not like I had a ready fanbase). Which is not to brag "Oh ho ho my writing is so fancy and brings all the readers to my yard" but just to say that my long chapters never hurt me.

I love Game of Thrones, lol! Well more so the show than the books*now watch as I be smited by 3 million people*, but I like his characters and the world.

 

FP.net? What is that place like? I have only been on FF.net, and Quotev.

 

Well then I hope to have your luck once my chapters truly start to get long!

 

Oh, my, you're setting yourself an interesting challenge! I look forward to reading this.

 

CuriousArtemis is probably a better person for advice on this, but the best judge of whether it's the right length is whether it's conveying what you want it to. My background as a copy editor tends to make me pare words to get the most effect with the fewest words, which isn't necessarily good for fiction either.

I read quite a few stories that switch between characters so I am used to reading it, just not writing it. We'll see how it goes.

 

I'll take advice from anyone who seems to be capable! There are a lot of people in this thread that I think are amazing writers so it's kind of intimidating, lol.



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Tell me about the editing thing. I live for being able to flex my muscles and actually add words to things for a change. It's so different than work where I'm cutting away the deadwood.

I'm not a copy editor anymore, but part of my work involves synthesizing complex crap and making it understandable. :P

 

It tends to mean my fiction attempts are a bit word-bare.



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I'm working on POV swaps in my current project. It involved lots of notes, but I'm not working on it alone. My husband and I are a team in this one.



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I read quite a few stories that switch between characters so I am used to reading it, just not writing it. We'll see how it goes.

 

I'll take advice from anyone who seems to be capable! There are a lot of people in this thread that I think are amazing writers so it's kind of intimidating, lol.

 

Don't feel intimidated. The fact that you're even willing to share your writing is impressive enough. And I'm sure no one will judge you harshly no matter what :)


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I love Game of Thrones, lol! Well more so the show than the books*now watch as I be smited by 3 million people*, but I like his characters and the world.

 

His world-building is decent, if a bit lazy (women are second class citizens, homosexuality is deviant behavior, blah blah blah... oh and the brown people are "tribal" lol) but I can't remember the characters in the book well enough to comment on them (read the first two when they came out... so long ago!)... His writing though is just... meh. It's very stiff. I think he uses a lot of adverbs lol but I might be wrong. That said, it's not Stephanie Meyer-level crap.

 

Now the show I LOVE!!!!!!



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Oh wow, just saw this. You know what's funny; I did something similar in that same original fic I was just talking about it and it was something that one or two reviewers brought up. They found it jarring when I switched point of view lol In retrospect, they were right. Ugh it's obviously not something I'm good at. I even tried it for another (now abandoned) writing project; was going to switch point-of-views every other chapter between the prince and princess character, and I couldn't get past chapter two. 

 

I wish you much better luck!

 

....Although now that I think about it my Cullen x Lavellan fics are each told from the other character's point of view. I think that one worked out. To some degree. 

...O_O

 

This is almost 2500 words on AO3 and is 6 1/2 pages in Word: http://archiveofouro...g/works/1365421 EDIT: Single-spaced, 12 point TNR font.

Ah this helps! I don't think I am done with my first chapter so it may push on for a while more.

 

I think the POV thing is best achieved if you can thoroughly live inside the head of each of the characters you intend to write. It's like role-playing them. Then you have to be able to switch between the two and keep the information each has separated.

 

In a sense, if you've ever done tabletop RPG and played more than one character simultaneously, it's a taste of what you're attempting to do but only a taste because the writer also has to keep track of the plot and all those threads, too.

I used to actually RP since I found myself to be rather board at time and my friend also wanted someone to join her forum. Which I had no idea what that meant at that time, it went well! People seemed to like my characters and my RPing style...so hopefully that will be more of a help than a hindrance with my story.



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Don't feel intimidated. The fact that you're even willing to share your writing is impressive enough. And I'm sure no one will judge you harshly no matter what :)

 

Thiiiiiiiiiiis!! I hate when people criticize fanfic writer and fan artists! It takes guts to put your stuff out there. And remember the rude comments are easy enough to ignore or delete :)


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His world-building is decent, if a bit lazy (women are second class citizens, homosexuality is deviant behavior, blah blah blah... oh and the brown people are "tribal" lol) but I can't remember the characters in the book well enough to comment on them (read the first two when they came out... so long ago!)... His writing though is just... meh. It's very stiff. I think he uses a lot of adverbs lol but I might be wrong. That said, it's not Stephanie Meyer-level crap.

 

Now the show I LOVE!!!!!!

 

SO offended right now. Stephenie Meyer is my inspiration for life!!!!!!!! The way she gave Bella such a unique personality is AMAZING. :-D :-D :-D

 

 

 

 

joking...please don't kill me.....


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His world-building is decent, if a bit lazy (women are second class citizens, homosexuality is deviant behavior, blah blah blah... oh and the brown people are "tribal" lol) but I can't remember the characters in the book well enough to comment on them (read the first two when they came out... so long ago!)... His writing though is just... meh. It's very stiff. I think he uses a lot of adverbs lol but I might be wrong. That said, it's not Stephanie Meyer-level crap.

 

Now the show I LOVE!!!!!!

The show is so intense! I love Tyrion, Arya, Daenerys, Cersei...even Ramsey! That lost one though makes me want to crawl under a rock and hide.



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I used to actually RP since I found myself to be rather board at time and my friend also wanted someone to join her forum. Which I had no idea what that meant at that time, it went well! People seemed to like my characters and my RPing style...so hopefully that will be more of a help than a hindrance with my story.

 

Oh you do RP writing?! Me too!!!! I've been doing it since I was 19 (I am 34 now). Me and a friend have been doing it together exclusively for about 10 years now. It's so gloriously FUN. And basically spawns the basis for ALL my characters these days.

 

Now I've never done the other kind of RPing, the dungeons and dragons kind with the dice and what not, but I've always been curious.



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So I was playing around with the Cinematic Tools trying to teach myself about the various toys (FoV, Character Lighting, Tone Mapping, etc). I got some really cool stuff. I'll post more in the AM when more folks are on but here's one of them. No photoshop was involved with this shot:

 

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SO offended right now. Stephenie Meyer is my inspiration for life!!!!!!!! The way she gave Bella such a unique personality is AMAZING. :-D :-D :-D

 

 

 

 

joking...please don't kill me.....

 

I didn't even think you were serious for a second... :lol:


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The show is so intense! I love Tyrion, Arya, Daenerys, Cersei...even Ramsey! That lost one though makes me want to crawl under a rock and hide.

 

All joking aside Game of Thrones actually is my life. Only a few more months til the next season!!!!! 

 

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH



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The show is so intense! I love Tyrion, Arya, Daenerys, Cersei...even Ramsey! That lost one though makes me want to crawl under a rock and hide.

 

My favorites are Arya, Sansa (though not recently), Jon, Jorah <3 <3 <3 (yes I am in love), and Tyrion. And Gendry *weeps* I wish he would come back. I am a massive Gendry x Arya shipper (once it's AGE APPROPRIATE); I love that scene where Gendry was shirtless and Arya like went through puberty in a single glance :lol:

 

The actor who plays Ramsey played a weirdo character on the show Misfits; I couldn't stop seeing his nerdy guy character, so it was really weird, watching the pasty nerd suddenly become a psycho :lol:


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All joking aside Game of Thrones actually is my life. Only a few more months til the next season!!!!! 

 

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

SAME. We have a viewing party every Sunday :D I also have a Stark banner I put on my door each Spring. 


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Don't feel intimidated. The fact that you're even willing to share your writing is impressive enough. And I'm sure no one will judge you harshly no matter what :)

Typically I am a person who can thrive under the pressure to do well or represent, but at times I do feel intimidated mostly because of the skill of others and the fact that I want my story to be different than what everyone else is producing.

 

Thiiiiiiiiiiis!! I hate when people criticize fanfic writer and fan artists! It takes guts to put your stuff out there. And remember the rude comments are easy enough to ignore or delete :)

If someone is rude or just plain an ass then I do delete their comments, but negative feedback is great as long as it is constructive and logical. I still remember the first story I put out years ago on Quotev and got...well attacked for my writing. That story never got done and that account I think is actually in need of a good dusting. Gah I hate being like this! I enjoy being the happy and random person I usually am!


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I read quite a few stories that switch between characters so I am used to reading it, just not writing it. We'll see how it goes.

 

I'll take advice from anyone who seems to be capable! There are a lot of people in this thread that I think are amazing writers so it's kind of intimidating, lol.

Like they just told you, don't be intimidated! I'm still always amazed that someone likes something I've written (especially since I avoid the things most people love). If you do get one of the rude people, ignore them. If it's actually constructive, then think about it and see if you think they have a point (but don't let them steer you if it's a direction you don't want to go.) The best constructive criticism encourages you to build on your strengths while making you aware of your weaknesses in a way that helps you see how to improve on them.


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So I was playing around with the Cinematic Tools trying to teach myself about the various toys (FoV, Character Lighting, Tone Mapping, etc). I got some really cool stuff. I'll post more in the AM when more folks are on but here's one of them. No photoshop was involved with this shot:

 

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OK, that's a photo worthy of some fanfic...



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If someone is rude or just plain an ass then I do delete their comments, but negative feedback is great as long as it is constructive and logical. I still remember the first story I put out years ago on Quotev and got...well attacked for my writing. That story never got done and that account I think is actually in need of a good dusting. Gah I hate being like this! I enjoy being the happy and random person I usually am!

 

I like criticism when I ask for it. Which I do for my original fiction but not for my fanfiction. Because the fanfiction is just for fun and is given, ya know, freely to the public. Don't like it, don't read it :P That said I don't think I've ever really gotten any negative feedback, except for the one person who wanted to know how my invalid character was going to the bathroom. I guess in her defense that is something I should've addressed, but, really? LOL It is pretty funny how some people will give me reviews like "I couldn't find any grammatical errors and everything made sense," like, thank you? That always cracks me up :lol: If only they knew an English teacher wrote this  :rolleyes:


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My favorites are Arya, Sansa (though not recently), Jon, Jorah <3 <3 <3 (yes I am in love), and Tyrion. And Gendry *weeps* I wish he would come back. I am a massive Gendry x Arya shipper (once it's AGE APPROPRIATE); I love that scene where Gendry was shirtless and Arya like went through puberty in a single glance :lol:

 

The actor who plays Ramsey played a weirdo character on the show Misfits; I couldn't stop seeing his nerdy guy character, so it was really weird, watching the pasty nerd suddenly become a psycho :lol:

 

OMG IM NOT ALONE IN MY GENDRY LOVE. He's absolutely perfect I've loved him since he first came on screen. I heard he's coming back for next season but don't quote me on that. Also love love love Tyrion. That one episode where he obnoxiously drug the chair around to be seated at the head of the table made me laugh soooo hard. (i think that's also where my love for Varric comes from)



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Oh you do RP writing?! Me too!!!! I've been doing it since I was 19 (I am 34 now). Me and a friend have been doing it together exclusively for about 10 years now. It's so gloriously FUN. And basically spawns the basis for ALL my characters these days.

 

Now I've never done the other kind of RPing, the dungeons and dragons kind with the dice and what not, but I've always been curious.

Yep! I remember this one character I made was nearly eight pages in MS Word...I still always find ways to reinvent that character.

 

I never tried DND either, but it seems like it would be a fun challenge

 

My favorites are Arya, Sansa (though not recently), Jon, Jorah <3 <3 <3 (yes I am in love), and Tyrion. And Gendry *weeps* I wish he would come back. I am a massive Gendry x Arya shipper (once it's AGE APPROPRIATE); I love that scene where Gendry was shirtless and Arya like went through puberty in a single glance :lol:

 

The actor who plays Ramsey played a weirdo character on the show Misfits; I couldn't stop seeing his nerdy guy character, so it was really weird, watching the pasty nerd suddenly become a psycho :lol:

Oh Jorah...he got shoved into the friendzone so hard.

 

I never knew of the actor who plays Ramsey...so I was just stuck with the sadistic psycho.

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I never knew of the actor who plays Ramsey...so I was just stuck with the sadistic psycho.

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See I also thought Ramsey was psychotic until I watched this season of American Horror Story. If you don't watch, the latest season has this absolutely insane rich spoiled guy who dresses up as a clown and tortures people.... oh and he has a fetish with conjoined twins. 



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He's apparently in Vicious, too, the new show with Ian McKellan.

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I like criticism when I ask for it. Which I do for my original fiction but not for my fanfiction. Because the fanfiction is just for fun and is given, ya know, freely to the public. Don't like it, don't read it :P That said I don't think I've ever really gotten any negative feedback, except for the one person who wanted to know how my invalid character was going to the bathroom. I guess in her defense that is something I should've addressed, but, really? LOL It is pretty funny how some people will give me reviews like "I couldn't find any grammatical errors and everything made sense," like, thank you? That always cracks me up :lol: If only they knew an English teacher wrote this  :rolleyes:

I love description...but even I don't describe how my character is going to the bathroom...not really one of main priorities. You seem to be very much like my old English teacher, not old er...I mean similar, lol! She was quite the riot when it came to writing her own stories and she even used to write for Joan Rivers, so she was quite the challenge to please. She always credits her skill to her collage professor that drank straight bourbon in the morning and scotch in the evening.


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