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[riverbanks]

No need to be defensive, I wasn't making a judgement on it. I merely thought his response was interesting. I have my gal mages romance him, so it's not something I will ever see anyway.

lol there isn't even any argument going on, s'all good. My own IQ is a rogue so I've no particular investment in either scenario anyway.

I just think it's very interesting that Cullen is written to respect the Inquisitor regardless of who (or what) she is, what she believes in, her personal decisions on what to make of both her own life and their lives as a whole under the Inquisition... and that's not only related to her choice of becoming a Templar, or learning Necromancy, but every choice she makes along the journey. It's interesting to have a love interest who will not emotionally blackmail you into being more like this or thinking more like that, who won't bully you into adjusting your own moral compass to theirs, who won't corner you into whatever us versus them fallacy serves him best, etc. It's... a healthy take on romance that's not very common in BW games.

The only personal choice I believe Cullen could never get over -and should never expose himself to- is being in a relationship with a blood mage, in any case, but fortunately that's not an option in this game. Short of that, I admire that Cullen is still willing to see the best in people and trusting the Inquisitor with his life and his love, even when they don't quite see eye to eye on this or that.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

If he's not romanced, he's grumpy and doesn't want to talk about it. If he is romanced, he doesn't like the idea of it too much, but he's still vey gentle and... supportive is not the right word of course, but he respects that she can make her own decisions.

 

There's a better video of it somewhere out there where the Inquisitor uses the gentler line rather than the bratty one and he sounds kinder on the whole thing, but his response is more or less this:

 

 

I liked the answer he gives if you respond with the "I wanted to help people". I can't remember the inquisitor's exact line, but his was something along the lines of "I never questioned your heart".

[Annarl]

If he's not romanced, he's grumpy and doesn't want to talk about it. If he is romanced, he doesn't like the idea of it too much, but he's still vey gentle and... supportive is not the right word of course, but he respects that she can make her own decisions.

 

There's a better video of it somewhere out there where the Inquisitor uses the gentler line rather than the bratty one and he sounds kinder on the whole thing, but his response is more or less this:

 

Interesting response. I don't think I could make a templar character that romanced Cullen. I will probably make an archer next who will romance him. 
I am loving my s and s male warrior (romancing Josie).  He's a Champion.  It's been great so far.

[riverbanks]

I liked the answer he gives if you respond with the "I wanted to help people". I can't remember the inquisitor's exact line, but his was something along the lines of "I never questioned your heart".

Yes, that's the line I was trying to remember! Thank you. It's such a good line, such a Cullen line. It's so sweet how much trust he has in her.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Yes, that's the line I was trying to remember! Thank you. It's such a good line, such a Cullen line. It's so sweet how much trust he has in her.

 

I think the tone of his voice when saying it is what sells it. He sounds so heartbroken and sad over it, ihe doesn't want to see the inquisitor go down the same path as he did.

[Panda]

Soooo...romance him with a templar Adaar?

 

This also made me want to romance him with a templar as well, but I like Champion...

 

Naah it has to be templar Trevelyan and mage Adaar for relationship dynamics

[Cerulione]

I always figured that until they were all safely in their tents with the Inquisitor back with the group he hadn't had time to process the events that unfolded beyond survival. I imagine him standing guard that evening unable to sleep as his mind goes over everything that unfolded, which is when it really hits him that she almost died, he then keeps replaying and thinking about it over and over during the pilgrimage to Skyhold, the more he thinks about it the more he just wants to scoop her up in his arms and lay kisses all over her.

I like to headcanon that during the first convo in Skyhold with the big awkward flirt, when you see him sorta move forward and half reach out to her as she's about to walk off, he very nearly pulled her into his arms, but stops himself, instead fumbling out that line about her almost dying lol.

 

Well, the first convo in Skyhold is truly the first time he seems to return the flirting... In Haven it was more one-sided flirting by the Inquisitor. I love how he stopped her when she was about to go.

 

"I will not allow the even of Haven to happen again", he said. I imagine he was thinking right then about when he found her in the snow. He just knows that he won't let similar stuffs to happen again because he's doesn't want to be so close of losing her again.

[Cerulione]

Naah it has to be templar Trevelyan and mage Adaar for relationship dynamics

 

I actually like the idea of Templar Trevelyan (a shining example of KISA?) romancing a Tevinter Necromancer who rebel from the tradition of his homeland...

 

Templar Trevelyan's quite the traditional path a Trevelyan guy would be sent to by his family no? And Dorian is the rebel Tevinter guy who hates blood magic (which is quite expected from an Altus Tevene Mages)

That gaves a bit the dynamiques of

Rebellion x Submission to family expectation

Templar x Mage

 

Just my 2 cents

[TheLastArchivist]

Would Cullen still be so warm in bed if our Inq. gained some weight? 

[blauwvis]

It's interesting to have a love interest who will not emotionally blackmail you into being more like this or thinking more like that, who won't bully you into adjusting your own moral compass to theirs, who won't corner you into whatever us versus them fallacy serves him best, etc. It's... a healthy take on romance that's not very common in BW games.

I was bobbing my head along when I read this -- I presume you're thinking of Anders, in particular? That whole passage just screamed "Anders" to me. But maybe that's just because his relationship with my Hawke was especially unhealthy.

Back on point, I like that lack of bullying/blackmail/manipulation goes both ways. You can be his friend and his lover, but you're not his therapist, and the game never insists (nor even suggests) that you should be. You can help him with his struggles, but there's no sense that he's broken and must be fixed before you can play with him, or that his mind is something you can (and should) adjust to better suit your tastes. The "fixer-upper" romance trope is popular for a reason, so I don't exactly blame BW for their (over?)reliance on it, but it's nice to have other options.

[MelissaGT]

I know this was a few pages back, but I was looking for something else and wanted to respond to this.

With this particular example -- which is interesting! -- I tend to feel like the reasoning should be that you deciding to become a templar and take the lyrium is your own choice. That is all perfectly fine. But it's also made pretty clear that Cullen does NOT want to return to taking lyrium, but will do so if you order him. In that case, it's not really his choice, it's yours. So I don't really feel that there is a conflict between becoming a templar yourself while still supporting Cullen in his efforts to stay on the lyrium wagon.


Did anyone do the whole templar thing? Whether romance or non, I'm curious as to how Cullen reacts (I need to post an ask in the Dorian thread as well, since he's my boyfriend for my male warrior.) After talking to the warrior trainers I did tell him "I'm thinking about becoming a templar," to which he merely asked why I would want to and cautioned that I be absolutely sure that this was a path I wanted to pursue. I haven't done it though, going with champion instead. My Trevelyan Inquisitor, despite his upbringing, was pretty affected by Cullen's struggles and doesn't have any desire to shackle himself to lyrium, regardless of his faith.

 

I think it will be interesting to see played out. I want to run through all possible dynamics of the romance...for science... 

[riverbanks]

I will probably make an archer next who will romance him.

My canon IQ is an archer so, hee! Archer high five!

Fair warning, you won't get any unique dialogue with Cullen at all with a rogue class. Still the romance is very sweet even without those - specially? without those, depending on what exactly you expect out of the romance / where do you want to take it. And if you use mostly sarcastic lines with him, it can be a very fun dynamic between them - Cullen is surprisingly sassy in places, to match her weird sense of humor. I had a lot of fun with the romance like this, and honestly wouldn't trade it for any of the mage or warrior class-specific stuff.

(But then, awkward warrior/sarcastic rogue is my favorite romance dynamic ever, so my bias is fully acknowledged here. )

[Panda]

I actually like the idea of Templar Trevelyan (a shining example of KISA?) romancing a Tevinter Necromancer who rebel from the tradition of his homeland...

 

Templar Trevelyan's quite the traditional path a Trevelyan guy would be sent to by his family no? And Dorian is the rebel Tevinter guy who hates blood magic (which is quite expected from an Altus Tevene Mages)

That gaves a bit the dynamiques of

Rebellion x Submission to family expectation

Templar x Mage

 

Just my 2 cents

 

Yep this but in other hand Mage Adaar with Dorian would be intresting cause:

 

1. Both are outcasts of their societys as Tevinter rebel and Tal-Vashoth.

 

2. Both are mages but one is valued for it in his homecountry, other would be feared and treated like carbage because of it in his.

 

3. Also Tevinter and Par Vollen are in war together which would make it more like forbidden love with two natural enemies.

 

So I think mage Adaar with Dorian has as intresting dynamic at least to me

[Cerulione]

Yep this but in other hand Mage Adaar with Dorian would be intresting cause:

 

1. Both are outcasts of their societys as Tevinter rebel and Tal-Vashoth.

 

2. Both are mages but one is valued for it in his homecountry, other would be feared and treated like carbage because of it in his.

 

3. Also Tevinter and Par Vollen are in war together which would make it more like forbidden love with two natural enemies.

 

So I think mage Adaar with Dorian has as intresting dynamic at least to me

 

True, said like that it seems really really good dynamic

 

What specialization are you planning on for him?

[Cerulione]

I... must admit, I just have a very crazy thoughts... Does Cullen read Varric's Sword & Shield?

Varric's model for this serial is Donnic & Aveline, neither are really the best reference of romantic couple. Aveline's line "This is a nice day" when "dating" Donnic at the Storm Coast is hilarious. And Cullen use this very same line when you start the romance...

 

So, maybe Cass is not the only one reading smutty literature around. And we know that she even lend the books to Dorian, so I can imagine Cass lend some to Cullen. And maybe she *forced* Cullen to read them after starting the romance with the Inquisitor

[MelissaGT]

I... must admit, I just have a very crazy thoughts... Does Cullen read Varric's Sword & Shield?

Varric's model for this serial is Donnic & Aveline, neither are really the best reference of romantic couple. Aveline's line "This is a nice day" when "dating" Donnic at the Storm Coast is hilarious. And Cullen use this very same line when you start the romance...

 

So, maybe Cass is not the only one reading smutty literature around. And we know that she even lend the books to Dorian, so I can imagine Cass lend some to Cullen. And maybe she *forced* Cullen to read them after starting the romance with the Inquisitor

 

I can't picture Cass lending any smutty literature to Cullen - she's too uptight. She nearly passes out if you suggest that you should read them. Dorian seems much more approachable in that respect. 

 

I think the parallel is that Cullen is just as awkward as Aveline when it comes to romance. He had no idea how to make the first move. Thank goodness we didn't get copper marigolds! Once the first move has been made, however...he seems to figure it out. 

[R2s Muse]

I... must admit, I just have a very crazy thoughts... Does Cullen read Varric's Sword & Shield?

Varric's model for this serial is Donnic & Aveline, neither are really the best reference of romantic couple. Aveline's line "This is a nice day" when "dating" Donnic at the Storm Coast is hilarious. And Cullen use this very same line when you start the romance...

 

So, maybe Cass is not the only one reading smutty literature around. And we know that she even lend the books to Dorian, so I can imagine Cass lend some to Cullen. And maybe she *forced* Cullen to read them after starting the romance with the Inquisitor

LOL I wrote something like that once that occurred back in Kirkwall. It was back before the 'captain' in question was known to be Aveline.  Swords and Shields.  

[Cerulione]

LOL I wrote something like that once that occurred back in Kirkwall. It was back before the 'captain' in question was known to be Aveline.  Swords and Shields. 

 

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha now I'm headcannoning that Meredith is actually a romantic at heart who also likes to read Smutty litteratures.

 

Bwahahahahahahahaha.

 

Ahahahahahahahahahhahahahah

 

 

What's this with Chantry people & SMutty Litteratures? Meredith, Cass, now Cullen

And Leliana had surely read several... or practice it with the Warden since she seems to be quite the naughty one

[Tishina]

lol there isn't even any argument going on, s'all good. My own IQ is a rogue so I've no particular investment in either scenario anyway.

I just think it's very interesting that Cullen is written to respect the Inquisitor regardless of who (or what) she is, what she believes in, her personal decisions on what to make of both her own life and their lives as a whole under the Inquisition... and that's not only related to her choice of becoming a Templar, or learning Necromancy, but every choice she makes along the journey. It's interesting to have a love interest who will not emotionally blackmail you into being more like this or thinking more like that, who won't bully you into adjusting your own moral compass to theirs, who won't corner you into whatever us versus them fallacy serves him best, etc. It's... a healthy take on romance that's not very common in BW games.

The only personal choice I believe Cullen could never get over -and should never expose himself to- is being in a relationship with a blood mage, in any case, but fortunately that's not an option in this game. Short of that, I admire that Cullen is still willing to see the best in people and trusting the Inquisitor with his life and his love, even when they don't quite see eye to eye on this or that.

Well said! It's part of why the Cullen romance grabbed me far more than I expected (I was part of the crew on here who was excited about him as a complex character who clearly was changing through the games but hadn't been that interested in him as a romance.) But his respect for who the Inquisitor is that won me over completely. He may worry about her, but he never questions her right to chose what risks she'll take or what she sees as her responsibilities, and he doesn't try to change her or manipulate her.

[Panda]

True, said like that it seems really really good dynamic

 

What specialization are you planning on for him?

 

I don't know yet, before info about specialisations I planned Spirit Healer, too bad that they don't have that one anymore in DAI. Probaply Rift Mage since I already have planned Milica as Knight Enchanter

[Tishina]

I... must admit, I just have a very crazy thoughts... Does Cullen read Varric's Sword & Shield?

Varric's model for this serial is Donnic & Aveline, neither are really the best reference of romantic couple. Aveline's line "This is a nice day" when "dating" Donnic at the Storm Coast is hilarious. And Cullen use this very same line when you start the romance...

 

So, maybe Cass is not the only one reading smutty literature around. And we know that she even lend the books to Dorian, so I can imagine Cass lend some to Cullen. And maybe she *forced* Cullen to read them after starting the romance with the Inquisitor

Or just left a copy laying in his office; that's a kind of subtlety I can see her thinking of since it would avoid embarrassment for both of them. And I can see him noticing it, picking it up wondering what it is, reading a page or two, putting it down hastily, then curiosity overcoming him and reading it late at night after everyone's out of his office.

 

Isn't there some Skyhold sidequest where you have to collect copies of Hard in Hightown and there's one in his office?

[R2s Muse]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha now I'm headcannoning that Meredith is actually a romantic at heart who also likes to read Smutty litteratures.

 

Bwahahahahahahahaha.

 

Ahahahahahahahahahhahahahah

 

 

What's this with Chantry people & SMutty Litteratures? Meredith, Cass, now Cullen

And Leliana had surely read several... or practice it with the Warden since she seems to be quite the naughty one

LOL Thanks. It was something fun to imagine. And Cullen shaking his fist in Hawke's general direction.  (did I write it for our romance cover challenge..? maybe).

[Cerulione]

LOL Thanks. It was something fun to imagine. And Cullen shaking his fist in Hawke's general direction.  (did I write it for our romance cover challenge..? maybe).

 

And this is what Meredith does afterward. Now she understands how things works. Well... let's put this into practice...

 

*she secretly wants to thank Cullen & Hawke*

 

 

EDIT: I love to imagine there is the hate/love dynamique between Meredith & Orsino, the forbidden lover kind

[Tishina]

LOL I wrote something like that once that occurred back in Kirkwall. It was back before the 'captain' in question was known to be Aveline.  Swords and Shields.  

I remember reading that one, but back before I was on this thread and never registered it was yours. Well written! And if Meredith enjoyed the book (since she'd obviously read the entire thing), then just as well Cullen convinced her it had nothing to do with him, poor boy.

[AstraDrakkar]

It's decided. All companions in this play through are gonna end up wearing as much Dawnstone as possible as soon as my Inquisitor can get to it. Dagna has convinced me the Pinkquisition is the way to go!  I also wanna figure out how to make the Sad Weapon........