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Tishina

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Hmmmm. I wouldn't say that, no. Like I said, it's less about the character and more about the overall narrative. In Cullen's case, it's not Ari herself that shoos the others away, it's more their history together and the specific dynamics of their relationship - I constructed a relationship narrative with this character that I was really satisfied with, so other attempts are falling short because they're not hitting the same sweet spot. But they're not a perfect match for each other by any measure, and their story is definitely not a "one and only" one - they've both had other loves before (Cullen/Hawke 5ever<3), and would have again if circumstances turned out sour (like, I really dig Alistair/Anora developing feelings for each other, despite his ~first love~ being my Warden). People move on, doesn't mean the love they shared wasn't true or was worth any less than the next.

 

Pretty much, I've just lucked out to find one narrative I'm really happy with right away in this game (as opposed to how much fumbling about I did with Hawke, who took a million playthroughs before I settled on a definitive "yes! this is my canon!" run), even if on the other hand that will likely prevent me from taking Cullen for very many rides with other Quizzies. Fortunately I'm also very keen on replaying my favorite character over and over, so I can relive the same story many times still. :D

Ah, and that probably explains it. I'm never entirely satisfied because there's always dialogue I would write differently at some point, etc. I really enjoyed a lot of them, but always felt like it could be better. The only DAO romance I probably wouldn't have run twice was Morrigan's, and that's only because I don't enjoy playing a male warden as much, so once satisfied my wish.



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Ah, and that probably explains it. I'm never entirely satisfied because there's always dialogue I would write differently at some point, etc. I really enjoyed a lot of them, but always felt like it could be better. The only DAO romance I probably wouldn't have run twice was Morrigan's, and that's only because I don't enjoy playing a male warden as much, so once satisfied my wish.

What if Morrigan was open to females too? Would you go after the witch then, lol.


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#113878
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What if Morrigan was open to females too? Would you go after the witch then, lol.

Definitely I'd have run more than one Warden to romance her, lol.


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So the multiplayer currently has an event going on and here're Cullen's orders:

 

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His deadpan dry wit is still 10/10. :D

 

The Commander knows his men. :lol:


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What if Morrigan was open to females too? Would you go after the witch then, lol.

 

Definitely I'd have run more than one Warden to romance her, lol.

 

Yeah, dang, I wanted to romance Morrigan so badly :(



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Definitely I'd have run more than one Warden to romance her, lol.

I thought so XD 

I love romances likes hers since you are able to dig down into her character and see that she is not simply an "ice queen".



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Yeah, dang, I wanted to romance Morrigan so badly :(

Well Isabela sort of made up in the way that she was much deeper than what we first perceived of her.

 

Ah did you see the little Fenris pillow case I posted yesterday? It is back a few pages, lol.


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The Commander knows his men. :lol:

 

I love how this kind of reply would be so in character for Knight Commander "smiting at the ashes" Rylen, too. They've given even the minor NPCs such quirky and interesting personalities.



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That reminds me, do we ever get a chance to meet the soldier from this letter in the garden?  

 

Edit: Wait, Wilbur's not the guy who takes over doing requisitions, is he? *goes to Google*

 

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#113885
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#113886
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FWIW, my canon IQ is a mage and my interpretation of these scenes is pretty much identical to yours. Obviously individual tastes will vary, and the relationship works pre- or post-Perseverance, but there's nothing in the mage dynamic that precludes that later start. He makes it quite clear that he considers the IQ a boss/companion/friend/LI first and a mage a distant second. The way it played out, I felt that my Inquisitor was more hung up about it than he was. (She only brought it up the once, though.)

 
I agree, I very much enjoy nine's interpretation of a post-perseverance romance myself. In fact, I'd say that a mage Quizzy's cautious and gentle advancement of the relationship would be much appreciated by Cullen - it fits very well into how I think Cullen would be classified as an ISTJ on the MBTI spectrum. I understand perhaps not everyone prefers to categorize characters this way and of course I can't claim to be an expert at all regarding Myers and Briggs personality tests, but a lot of how Cullen acts in Inquisition appears to mirror what I've read from several sources online about how a healthy ISTJ mindset would. This tumblr has consolidated a number of excerpts from different sources (some more reliable than others) about how the ISTJ prefers to function, and this one about a preference for slow and steady courtship particularly stood out to me (Because yes, I am that sad and looked up dating advice for Cullen just to flesh out my headcanon. Don't judge me please):
 

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So yeah, I think Cullen would definitely favor a slow, careful approach with relationships, and he'd possibly even find it somewhat attractive that you took the time to consider his comfort if you're a mage Inquisitor. He does take a while before opening up to you about his past, and the way he gets so nervous about telling you he's hoping for a future with you...I think it's just so sweet that he ends up having to ask because he finally sees a happy future for himself but is afraid you don't think the same way. The idea of a post-Perseverance romance feels extra appropriate because you're telling him you see yourself entering a stable, safe relationship with him even though you've been so careful starting the relationship. You're putting your faith in him, you believe in him. It's just so cute. ;-;
 
 
 

I agree here. It was pretty shocking to see him be okay with letting someone get assassinated when there were definitely other options to resolve the situation. 
 
Re: self insert characters - I don't necessarily play self inserts, but I don't roleplay too hard on my initial playthroughs either. I just go with what feels natural at first rather than, I've decided to play a BAMF, so I'm going to take all the tough sounding/ more power for me, type choices. Because of that, I feel like my warden is the most "me" character I've played. I know it's not a popular opinion, but I found that not having a voiced PC allowed me to find her voice myself. I could either Interpret the text as exactly what she said, or a variation that made sense to me and have it be the tone that I wanted. While I do really enjoy the protagonists being voiced as well, in that case the character can feel less true to my intention depending on the delivery of the line, or how different the actual line is from the prompt on the dialogue wheel. Both have merit and both are fun though.


I liked the non-voiced dialogue options in Origins myself. I have no problem with playing self-insert characters (and it's actually my preferred type of gameplay) and being able to imagine my own voice speaking in Origins was very fulfilling. I honestly had a lot of trouble deciding which voice to choose for my Inquisitor because, on the one hand, I speak with an American accent - and on the other hand, my voice is more similar to that of the non-American Inquisitor. It was a bit harder for me to immerse myself in the story because nothing my Inquisitor said really felt like me. I mean, it wasn't a huge deal - my headcanon for where my Inquisitor comes from is totally different from the canon anyway - but it meant I had to delete and edit a lot of what my Quizzy says because what is said inevitably ends up feeling wrong. I can appreciate just playing through the story as if I'm reading a choose-your-own-adventure book with pre-defined characters, but in that case I feel like the ability to customize your character's appearance seems a bit ...I don't know, paradoxical? But that's just me. In any case, both voice actresses are very talented and it's still been a pleasure listening to them deliver their lines.


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#113887
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Well Isabela sort of made up in the way that she was much deeper than what we first perceived of her.

 

Ah did you see the little Fenris pillow case I posted yesterday? It is back a few pages, lol.

 

No, I did not! :lol: That sounds marvelous xD

 

And yeah, Isabela is fantastic <3


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I agree, I very much enjoy nine's interpretation of a post-perseverance romance myself. In fact, I'd say that a mage Quizzy's cautious and gentle advancement of the relationship would be much appreciated by Cullen - it fits very well into how I think Cullen would be classified as an ISTJ on the MBTI spectrum. 

Cullen is ISFJ for certain



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Cullen, why are you so frickin' adorable?! This scene was just about perfect, and it made me want make some gifs of his cute face.


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#113890
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No, I did not! :lol: That sounds marvelous xD

 

And yeah, Isabela is fantastic <3

Let's just say that I think it would make you melt! If you can't find that post then I can just PM everything to you, lol!

 

I miss my pirate queen, lol! I miss so many of the old characters...I WANT THEM BACK!



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DG about the timeframe of inquisition: http://dgaider.tumbl...-id-like-to-say


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Cullen, why are you so frickin' adorable?! This scene was just about perfect, and it made me want make some gifs of his cute face.

 

I loved this so much. How you can just read everything in his face. Video games have come so far. <3



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DG about the timeframe of inquisition: http://dgaider.tumbl...-id-like-to-say

 

My Quizzie definitely had a three feet long beard and a look of madness burned into her eyes forever as she crawled out of the Hinterlands screaming WHAT YEAR IS IT???? on my first playthrough, can relate.

 

It does seem like it needs to be more than just a couple months, if only from the vast distances they have to cover hopping from one place to another without a private jet. But then it doesn't seem like it should take too long either, or the already flimsy threat of Corypheus loses all it urgency. Maybe DLC will help? If we get a lot of post-game DLC it'll be easier to extend the lenght of the story to a few years.


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#113894
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DG about the timeframe of inquisition: http://dgaider.tumbl...-id-like-to-say

Huh. Well that's helpful and then... not so helpful! LOL


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NO.  He killed my beautiful, beautiful Gwaine and I will never forgive him. :angry:   Between that show and S3 of Downton Abbey (Sybil! WHY??? *sob*) I had to break up with TV for awhile.  My poor poor feels.

LOL I feel ya! I'm actually  not a fan of Mordred's, for that and many other reasons. *sigh* Gwaine! Love him.
 

I'm a huge fan of the Arthurian legend. My favorite interpretation is Marion Zimmer Bradley's "The Mists of Avalon."
 
With Excalibur, I couldn't get over dis guy...
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Whenever I watch that movie I just giggle uncontrollably whenever he shows up. 
 
But hey! Look who else is in it:
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LOL I know! It's a smorgasbord of acting who's who. ^_^
 


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Guys, how's everyone preparing for February 21st?  :wizard:
 
rihouston is going to send another Cullenite package for GE. And we, Cullenites, have until that dealine to send our stuff to her.
 
I'm still thinking about a theme for my short story. What about you?

Something to keep in mind from some of rihouston's guidance, is that Greg doesn't really know the Dragon Age universe at all, so a fic will be a bit of a stretch for him to follow. So consider something short and obvious. 
 
Here's her original advice:
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  • FOR WRITERS-MY ADVICE TO YOU IS NOT TO SEND A FULL CHAPTER OR STORY TO GREG ELLIS INVOLVING CULLEN.  HAVING SPOKEN TO HIM ABOUT THE CHARACTER-HE WAS CONFUSED ON MULTIPLE POINTS BECAUSE HE IS GIVEN LINES OUT OF CONTEXT AND ANSWERS THE SAME QUESTION SOMETIMES UP TO SIX DIFFERENT WAYS DEPENDING ON WHO HE IS ADDRESSING AND THE WAY HE IS DIRECTED TO SAY IT, SO HAVING NOT EVER PLAYED ANY DRAGON AGE GAMES OR PRIVY TO THE OVERALL STORY LINE, HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FOLLOW ALONG WITH A LONG STORY.  THAT IS WHY I THOUGHT OF MENTIONING A SHORT PROSE, POEM, OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE GIFTED WITH WORDS.  I AM NOT TRYING TO BE DISCOURAGING, BUT I DO WANT TO BE SURE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT ABOUT HIS UNDERSTANDING OF HIS CHARACTER AND THE GAME OVERALL IS SPOTTY.

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#113897
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Yeah, dang, I wanted to romance Morrigan so badly :(

 

I thought so XD 

I love romances likes hers since you are able to dig down into her character and see that she is not simply an "ice queen".

Exactly. Though I was surprised to find out people considered her an ice queen. I didn't see her that way from the very beginning. Sarcastic, impatient, biting, skeptical, yes, but not cold. She was always so touched (if understandably suspicious) by people doing nice things for her.


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#113898
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OMG!!  Cullen cosplay!

 

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Regarding the self-inserts, I'm doing my Solasmance pt now and, while considering another Cullen pt, I'm having a hard time picturing a different Inquisitor with him. I was just on Reddit looking at some of the sliders and all I'm thinking is that I can't picture an IQ with that face who is also romancing Cullen. With my elf and Cullen it's more like, "I guess he's cute for a human, but there's Solas."

 

This is really the first time I've ever had a problem with that, so I'm surprising myself with it. Maybe I should just attribute it to really excellent writing and my accidental discovery of how different the romance felt doing Perseverance before starting the romance. That happened because I'd actually restarted my level 16 character in large part because I burned through the Cullen stuff so fast and was left with just smooching on the ramparts. It got boring, so I started a new pt and deliberately waited until after Adamant to start the romance, because, from a purely meta perspective, it was the heat of battle and oh-Maker-you-might-have-died-and-I-love-you realization that leads to her wanting more than just friendship. My headcanon is that, even during Perseverance, Eva knows she's in "just friends" territory and wants more from him but also wants to be supportive. And then, again, my own headcanon, doing the Winter Palace after the romance starts means that you get a lovely and incredibly romantic dance with this man you're falling in love with and that leads into the "special night" scene nicely. Many people might prefer the heat-of-battle leading to sexy times more, but it just didn't work out this way with my IQ.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if I just end up re-creating my Cullenmance IQ and she looks exactly the same because I can't get out of the Eva+Cullen4Ever headspace. Maybe I'll get out of that when we get some hair mods and different complexion and makeup sliders, who knows, but right now it is what it is.

 

 

My Quizzie definitely had a three feet long beard and a look of madness burned into her eyes forever as she crawled out of the Hinterlands screaming WHAT YEAR IS IT???? on my first playthrough, can relate.

 

It does seem like it needs to be more than just a couple months, if only from the vast distances they have to cover hopping from one place to another without a private jet. But then it doesn't seem like it should take too long either, or the already flimsy threat of Corypheus loses all it urgency. Maybe DLC will help? If we get a lot of post-game DLC it'll be easier to extend the lenght of the story to a few years.

 

Yeah, I have no idea where this "couple of months" thing came from. Origins takes a year and your Warden is just hot-footing around Ferelden. My IQ is traveling between countries and spending very long periods of time in vast wastelands. I can't imagine that the events in Inquisition takes anything less than a year.


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#113900
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Cullen is ISFJ for certain

 

Can you elaborate on your reasoning? I'm interested to see where you're coming from, because some of the suggestions Cullen makes as advisor can be rather honest and direct to the point of being harsh. He's shown a preference for a leadership role of some sort and seems to be very comfortable with taking charge of a situation, do ISTJs and ISFJs share that quality? But I'd love to think he was an ISFJ, too, because a lot of these ISFJ descriptors make sense as well. I'm curious because that "hammer to the nail" part of him that Josephine describes makes me feel like he's more likely to make objective decisions. Certainly in Dragon Age II he was not taking into account others' feelings when meting out justice.