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[Laurelinde]

I think it depends really. I'm all for drama and tragedy but not when it's shock/death for shock/deaths sake, which is what it sounded like was planned. Tbh, I prefer the way Mass Effect approached them in ME3 (except the final 5 minutes).

Sometimes I wonder if DG even enjoys his job anymore, lol.

 

Yeah, same for me.  Having all the characters totally 'safe' would suck a lot of the drama and tension out of a story, I would think, and sometimes a character death makes sense and is really well done in terms of crafting the story.  It's a cheesy series, but Sturm's death in Dragonlance was really well done, IMO.  He wasn't so old or doomed or whatever that his death was inevitable, and it was tragic, but the way it happened had real meaning and was rather poetic.  Likewise Boromir in Lord of the Rings, his death is really the moment of his redemption as a character.  It's the going overboard and the sense of 'well we'll turn everybody's story dark' that bothers me.  

 

It's one of the things that kind of turned me off DA2, I guess, because by the time Leandra died it was starting to feel gratuitous and crass for me, personally, particularly since there was no way in game to do anything to prevent it.  You literally know that a serial killer is on the loose in town targeting women of a certain age with a signature flower and in 5-6 years you never bother to warn your mom?  That bugged me a lot.  It's ok for the writers to joke about 'drinking our tears' because obviously, they want to create characters and stories that resonate with us, that we care about.  I just hope they are as happy to drink our joy as our sorrow, because making people feel happy about things you create is just as important (and often, kind of a rare gift) IMO.

[LolaLei]

At the point it's clear that's really what they'll do, I'll be bailing on their games, I'm afraid. I'm not a dark, apocalyptic kind of gamer (fantasy games are my escape from my real world work where I read about real people's tragedies constantly). What Blauwvis says about GoTs is one of the reasons I have no particular interest in the series; first, tragedy/betrayal/unhappy endings seem to be the entire focus, but the emotional impact when you rely on repeated tragedies is like a drug addiction: you have to keep upping the dosage to get the same results. Frankly, I don't want to be involved in a series when I know that almost every character I get attached to will die or have something else horrible will happen to him or her shortly. Where DAI seems to get it right is in some of their smaller tragedies, like Dorian's personal story about his family which I think has a huge emotional gut punch. Or Sera's.

Exactly.

And i'll be joining you!

I dislike having to forcibly kill protagonists and/or love interests. RPG games are supposed to be about choices/concequences/making your own character and shaping the world. BioWare's "thing" has always been about insisting that WE create OUR character, the protagonist is YOURS blah blah etc, but then they shatter that by doing things like completely sh*tting all over your personal canon if you want two characters to survive, which then feels like they're pushing their canon onto the player instead (King Alistair etc). If a protagonist is "yours" that doesn't stop just because the next game in the series has come out, it's still our character that made the choices we picked for him/her that shaped the world/outcomes in the following game, the LIs also play a direct part of that because they're connected to your protagonist romantically which is essentially serves an extension of your character's personality.

As such, I generally feel that they should have the option to survive should we (as the player) wish to keep them that way, we should also have the option to kill them off if they happen to cameo in the next game that could lead to potential death. I'm not saying it should be easy though, if you want them to survive then we should be made to really work for it.

[SheWildWolf]

Heh, Cullen's such a sweetheart

Spoiler

 

 

 

I ended up going back a save and am putting off talking to Solas... I'll just headcanon that they're really good friends, like really really good friends who occasionally make out or something.  I'd still like the vallaslin talk, which is something I could picture a friend saying.

 

Wow, so that's not a bug? Any Lavellan who gets the boot from the big bad wolf can go get her hug? Or did I misunderstand?

[LolaLei]

Obviously there are exceptions to what I just said. For example, if you knowingly get into a relationship with a character that was doomed from the start then chances are high that the relationship will fail or they'll die/cheat/whatever, but in general the majority of the love interests have no real reason to be killed off beyond "LOL dramaz!"

As for regular non-LI companions then they're kinda a free for all in terms of fate and thus should be the ones killed if there's some sort of rank or order when it comes to character deaths.

[Queen Rowan]

And i'll be joining you!

I dislike having to forcibly kill protagonists and/or love interests. RPG games are supposed to be about choices/concequences/making your own character and shaping the world. BioWare's "thing" has always been about insisting that WE create OUR character, the protagonist is YOURS blah blah etc, but then they shatter that by doing things like completely sh*tting all over your personal canon if you want two characters to survive, which then feels like they're pushing their canon onto the player instead (King Alistair etc). If a protagonist is "yours" that doesn't stop just because the next game in the series has come out, it's still our character that made the choices we picked for him/her that shaped the world/outcomes in the following game, the LIs also play a direct part of that because they're connected to your protagonist romantically which is essentially serves an extension of your character's personality.

As such, I generally feel that they should have the option to survive should we (as the player) wish to keep them that way, we should also have the option to kill them off if they happen to cameo in the next game that could lead to potential death. I'm not saying it should be easy though, if you want them to survive then we should be made to really work for it.

 

Do you have that opinion for just companion characters and characters that potentially had a deep connection with the PC or....

 

Spoiler

are you also upset that we didn't have a say in something like Flemeth's demise?

 

Edit: Okay you kind of answered this in the above post.

[kalasaurus]

Wow, so that's not a bug? Any Lavellan who gets the boot from the big bad wolf can go get her hug? Or did I misunderstand?

No, it's totally a bug.  My Lavellan kissed Solas in the Fade and then broke things off immediately after (agreeing with Solas that they shouldn't pursue anything and should just stay friends), except somehow his romance continued but didn't lock in.  He calls her "lethallan"/"my friend" and I was able to lock in a romance with Cullen later, but in each of Solas's cutscenes it plays out like they're in a romance.  So I unintentionally ended up with a bug (or exploit?) that allowed my Lavellan to romance Cullen and Solas at the same time.  It causes awkwardness all around XD

 

It's just a funny coincidence how it played out where she got a nice hug from Cullen after Solas dumped her

[Teshayel]

http://skart87.tumbl...arch-also-dirty

 

 

*snip of awesome comic*

 

I feel like Cole is a treasure trove of material for fanfic writers

[Hellion Rex]

Truth be told, I'm dreading what DAI's expansions are gonna lead to.

What do you mean "dreading"?

[LolaLei]

What do you mean "dreading"?

Dreading as in I'm now concerned that whatever they do with the big DLC it'll involve a blood bath that'll kill loads of companions/major npcs off (past and present). DG said that the DA2 expansion was gonna kill off a lot of favourites, he also said he wished he'd thought of killing all the ones with multiple fates off in th conclave explosion, so I'm expecting the worst tbh.

[SpiritMuse]

Dreading as in I'm now concerned that whatever they do with the big DLC it'll involve a blood bath that'll kill loads of companions/major npcs off (past and present). DG said that the DA2 expansion was gonna kill off a lot of favourites, he also said he wished he'd thought of killing all the ones with multiple fates off in th conclave explosion, so I'm expecting the worst tbh.

That would be really cheap if they did that. :/

[LolaLei]

That would be really cheap if they did that. :/

That seems to be where they want to take things though, if DG gets his way.

[Jean]

I actually like tragedy and drama in games like this. It's compelling. I really like the scary movie tactic where you get your happy ending but then at the last second a scene shows that everything may not be as well and dandy as you think. If every scenario always had a happy ending and nothing bad ever happened to the character video games (and other entertainment) would be pretty boring. When a character dies in a game/movie/book I'm upset at first, sure, but then I start dissecting okay what events led to this? Were there signs foreshadowing this all along? How could this have turned out differently? and I think that's what developers want to happen when we experience their games. The trick is to find the happy medium between a happy-go-lucky world and a perpetually tragic one. Imo, Bioware does a pretty good job with finding that balance, and in a lot of situations you're given the choice of having the unhappy or happy ending to quests. 

As long as it's not death/shock just for the sake of it, this is how I pretty much feel about it. 

 

But I digress, I know my further opinion on this subject is in the minority. /shrugs.

[Ryriena]

Probaly killing Solas and all these things. If the death shock will suck and make me leave the serise and bioware for good.

[Queen Rowan]

That seems to be where they want to take things though, if DG gets his way.

 

I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt that they won't do that until I see for myself. There's no use getting worked up about it when we don't know for a fact that they're going to kill off our favorite characters. 

[Cerulione]

Oups, reading all your opinions about dark stories, I start to want changing my Fanfic for 5K celebration since it includes major character death (30 years after the Inquisition)... (can't decide between a more "happier" ending or a bittersweet ending that is one of the possible part of fanfic project I'm trying to write....)

 

Or should I write about the time Cullen & Samson share quarter instead?

 

Still 400 pages to think about & re-write... I did some brainstorming this week end and came out with 4 pages full of storyline ideas & variations. I don't know how you people write fanfics, now I can't even decide between which variation & which

[Elisaveta]

I love how Cullen is such a bad ass he doesn't need blankets.

Started a new play through on the weekend with the intent of romancing Iron Bull but I have such a hard time resisting Cullen...I think I may have a problem.

 

New computer with fade touched settings doesn't help. I can see Cullen's facial hair reflecting light off of it now in places, it's so beautiful!

[Monica21]

There's a letter from Bran himself to some noble or another in game, where he states he is only temporarily holding the throne for Hawke until her return to Kirkwall. Apparently several nobles have been entertaining foolish notions of taking Kirkwall, and Bran and Aveline have been busy disabusing them of such notions and reminding them that the Champion is still Viscount, and you best not mess with her. That's my girl.

(Extra headcanon for a Sebastian romancer: need Bran remind these people that Hawke counts not only with Kirkwall's forces behind her throne, but Starkhaven's too? These people are playing with fire here.)

At work now so I can't post a screencap of his letter, but it should be in your codex entries under Characters, either under Hawke's entry or Bran's.

 

Every time someone mentions Bran all I can do is wonder what he's doing in Kirkwall because he's supposed to be learning from the three-eyed raven.

[Jean]

Oups, reading all your opinions about dark stories, I start to want changing my Fanfic for 5K celebration since it includes major character death (30 years after the Inquisition)... (can't decide between a more "happier" ending or a bittersweet ending that is one of the possible part of fanfic project I'm trying to write....)

 

Or should I write about the time Cullen & Samson share quarter instead?

 

Still 400 pages to think about & re-write... I did some brainstorming this week end and came out with 4 pages full of storyline ideas & variations. I don't know how you people write fanfics, now I can't even decide between which variation & which

My .2c? Write whatever it is you want to write and don't let other's opinions on the subject change it. 

[LolaLei]

I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt that they won't do that until I see for myself. There's no use getting worked up about it when we don't know for a fact that they're going to kill off our favorite characters.

I'm not worked up, i'm just mentally preparing myself lol.

[Queen Rowan]

Every time someone mentions Bran all I can do is wonder what he's doing in Kirkwall because he's supposed to be learning from the three-eyed raven.

 

Bran Stark and Seneschal Bran could not be more opposite lol 

[Hellion Rex]

That seems to be where they want to take things though, if DG gets his way.

Aren't we jumping the gun quite a bit though on this? Plus, that was years ago.

[Cerulione]

My .2c? Write whatever it is you want to write and don't let other's opinions on the subject change it. 

 

There'll be blood... Ok no, but still it'll be a dark story so... well...   

[Tishina]

That seems to be where they want to take things though, if DG gets his way.

Hopefully that was just an off-hand comment (or more reasonable heads prevail ).

[Cerulione]

Bran Stark and Seneschal Bran could not be more opposite lol 

 

Seneschal Bran Stark, it'll be interesting to see...

[timebean]

Just my two cents...

 

I like heavy drama and hard desisions.  Like the genophage cure in ME.  I had a hard time with all of that, and Mordin's sacrifice was pretty damned noble although unbelievably sad.  I could handle that, because he died for the greater good, and for my desisions to help promote the greater good.  And it worked with the story cause we were at war...someone had to die, sure.  But it still came down to player choice.  I could have let him live if I made different desisions, but they were really tough desisions to follow.

 

Killing for no reason whatsoever expect to elicit cheap drama (aka GRRM) is what gets me steamed.  I am glad they didn't do that in this game.  But then again, it had very few tough decisions, save perhaps Quanri alliance versus Chargers.  They need a balance, which I assume is hard to do as a writer.

 

Leandra's death was total crap and made me very angry in the game.  Same with all mages being blood mages and all templars being psychos.  The game lacked finesse...

 

Fingers crossed for a good expansion...