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Cool, I'm pretty addicted to taking screenshots as well (link in sig). I've been playing around a lot with flycam and the DoF tool. Any chance you could tell me what tool you are using to change aspect ratios and resolutions on the fly?


Your screenshots are so gorgeous! Makes me so jealous of pc/next-gen players. I often find myself drooling over ya'lls Cullen
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That's the thing though, so far and as far as we know he was very good commander, I think the whole Haven disaster also played a role in his doubting himself, but I don't see how one can blame him for that.

 

Yeah, he's already good as he is... I really feel that he blames himself a good deal for Haven though, even if he doesn't say it that way.

 

The thing is, as he's having high & low moments, there'll be moments when he'll be in a vulnerable state and/or unable to perform correctly his duty & he knows this very well. This might not have much impact on a normal day in SKyhold but imagine him having "bad day" during the battle at Adamant? Or Arbor Wilds? The risk he's taking, it might cost not only his live but also Thedas' fate. I guess that most of his anguish in Perseverance comes from this realization.


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Started a rogue archer nightmare play through today. I'll do this one a little at a time cause I think I'll go pro Templar for this one for science. Just stopped in to gush over Cullen some. Why is it, whenever he has a cutscene I say "He's so hot!"? I am such a Cullen addict. I keep wondering what kind of story DLC Bioware is planning? I am such an impatient person.


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#114604
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As such, I generally feel that they should have the option to survive should we (as the player) wish to keep them that way, we should also have the option to kill them off if they happen to cameo in the next game that could lead to potential death. I'm not saying it should be easy though, if you want them to survive then we should be made to really work for it.

 

I'd be really happy if they chose to write something into a DLC that would allow you to potentially rescue the person that was "likely" killed in the fade. Not just because it would be nice to be able to rescue your friend or party member, but because at this point gamers are probably not expecting to have a "happy ending" option. As has been said in several posts already, changing things up to avoid becoming predictable can only serve to hold fan interest. People love a mystery, right?



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Sorry if I was vague, still trying to word it right too. Cullen's doubts are reasonable, but he needs immense emotional support. The poor guy's doing this on his own and kudos for Cassandra for sticking and monitoring him, but that's all we get to see. Putting him back on lyrium, at least to me, is a way to say, "I need you at your best even if you break a promise". In a way that cheapens Cullen's sense of promises, perhaps? I took it that way, and I hate to equate but if he's not able to keep vows of that nature and he's already broken off from the templars, we're going down a slippery slope here with him. At this point, he might doubt that he's capable of keeping any promises, and therefore it's understandable/predictable for me to expect him to break it off with the IQ.

 

Being in a relationship while handling personal issues is not fun. But the reason why I would've stayed is simply if my partner supports my decisions/promises/goals/wishes. If a person tells me to do something I never wanted, I'd run for the hills too, and I did. I told one ex, "I'm not into xyz" at the beginning, then he said, "Let's do xyz." When he pressured for it I just about cried and his response? "You're no fun." Needless to say I broke up with him.

 

Completely agree.

 

Most reasons & arguments that I put before was uttered by a guy who's not into him & not romancing him. To be fair, letting Cullen keep his promise to himself (no lyrium) is taking a good deal of risk.

 

Finally, it's all about whether you trust him to be strong enough or not. Some do (most in Cullenites thread I can imagine), some don't.



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I'd be really happy if they chose to write something into a DLC that would allow you to potentially rescue the person that was "likely" killed in the fade. Not just because it would be nice to be able to rescue your friend or party member, but because at this point gamers are probably not expecting to have a "happy ending" option. As has been said in several posts already, changing things up to avoid becoming predictable can only serve to hold fan interest. People love a mystery, right?

 

If we can rescue the person "lost in fade" (Warden/Hawke), it'll kill the entire "choice & consequence" things no? Choosing between Alistair & Hawke was the hardest decision I made in-game & the one that gave the most emotional impact tbh. Removing the consequence is just... blah.



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Messing around with makeup today (using a complexion):

 

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Actual modified eyeliner (doesn't use a complexion like in the two shots above, but changes the appearance of eyeliner for everyone):

 

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That's my eyeliner!!! Where do I get the mod?


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But the reason why I would've stayed is simply if my partner supports my decisions/promises/goals/wishes.

 

This was my perspective on this too. I'm not sure.... maybe it's because I'm viewing this more from the perspective of an interpersonal relationship, instead of what is potentially best for the inquisition (because what is best for inquisition is arguable).

 

 

Yeah, he's already good as he is... I really feel that he blames himself a good deal for Haven though, even if he doesn't say it that way.

 

The thing is, as he's having high & low moments, there'll be moments when he'll be in a vulnerable state and/or unable to perform correctly his duty & he knows this very well. This might not have much impact on a normal day in SKyhold but imagine him having "bad day" during the battle at Adamant? Or Arbor Wilds? The risk he's taking, it might cost not only his live but also Thedas' fate. I guess that most of his anguish in Perseverance comes from this realization.

 

He has an outburst about how he must do absolutely better at protecting Skyhold, which hints to his state of mind.

 

I got his scene after the Adamant, which just added to the whole concept of him panicking. Sometimes the timing of the quest works really well.

 

On the other hand, you know, I get it, much depends on him but he is not alone in this, there are supportive people around him, even if you don't romance him. Sometimes I think that he is too used to be alone and rely only on himself (what happened in circle, in kirkwall etc.)

 

edit: I just run that scene with different options, there is really good range of solutions (and how he response) even when telling him to continue without lyrium, you can be kind  and  you can even be "don't be a chicken!" about it.



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If we can rescue the person "lost in fade" (Warden/Hawke), it'll kill the entire "choice & consequence" things no? Choosing between Alistair & Hawke was the hardest decision I made in-game & the one that gave the most emotional impact tbh. Removing the consequence is just... blah.

I don't know..... that one was pretty open ended, I'm not sure we will be rescuing anyone, but I get the feeling that we will see Hawke again, at least there is a back door for it.


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That's my eyeliner!!! Where do I get the mod?

 

I can put it up for download if you want it. Do you want the version that replaces the third complexion for female humans, elves, and dwarves? Since the actual eyeliner version will give cat eye to any random NPC that uses eyeliner.



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If we can rescue the person "lost in fade" (Warden/Hawke), it'll kill the entire "choice & consequence" things no? Choosing between Alistair & Hawke was the hardest decision I made in-game & the one that gave the most emotional impact tbh. Removing the consequence is just... blah.

 

That's definitely one way to look at it. It was certainly an emotional decision for some people, me included. I've seen several other posters say that they' have little to no attachment to Stroud, so it wan't a difficult choice for them at all.

 

The point is that the wording was intentionally left vague and that I think it's assumed by most players that there will be no opportunity to rescue them. That's why it would be surprising and a potentially really fun option. Exactly because it's unexpected.

 

Of course, I say this with the idea that it might be an option that you would have to work for. If it automatically happened, or they were really heavy handed about getting you to take the quest, that would be pretty blah, you're right.



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I can put it up for download if you want it. Do you want the version that replaces the third complexion for female humans, elves, and dwarves? Since the actual eyeliner version will give cat eye to any random NPC that uses eyeliner.

 

Which one is the third complexion?



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I just finished my Solas romance yesterday, and honestly, it left me depressive and angry. He is a great character, do not get me wrong, but the relationship, in my opinion, was based on lies, much like Blackwall's. This is why I always go back to Cullen. He has his issues, of course, but he is so pure, protective, and honest. Maybe it's just me, maybe I just like safe romances = honest romances. I always tell myself that I will try all romances, but honestly, I'm just lying to myself. In DA:O, I always romanced Alistair, then in DA:2 Fenris and now Cullen. Sigh.


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#114614
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Which one is the third complexion?

 

The third complexion in the slider is this one:

 

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#114615
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The third complexion in the slider is this one:

 

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Sure, that's cool.



#114616
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If we can rescue the person "lost in fade" (Warden/Hawke), it'll kill the entire "choice & consequence" things no? Choosing between Alistair & Hawke was the hardest decision I made in-game & the one that gave the most emotional impact tbh. Removing the consequence is just... blah.

 

I appreciate what they were trying to do with that one, but for me it made me more angry than anything else because to save both I had to completely change my long standing DA:O canon, which I was personally very attached to for reasons I won't go into again least I bore everyone, lol. I would've prefered to have the option of being able to save both, but only if you try really hard and do everything correctly.



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Sure, that's cool.

 

 
Like with the eyebrow complexion mod I put up yesterday, this one also reduces the amount of color (pinkness/redness) for lips that don't use any lip color.


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Guys!! Someone went to Val Royeaux after finishing the game and they heard this: http://lydia-adams.t...ng-the-game-and

 

Also have some floating Cullen heads for art reference. http://thedosianimpo...elps-dantalaois

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Your screenshots are so gorgeous! Makes me so jealous of pc/next-gen players. I often find myself drooling over ya'lls Cullen
 screens, cause he doesn't look anything like that in my game!! :P

 

So this is completely random, but it does relate back to Cullen...

 

I was showing off my new tablet to my bff over the weekend and she doesn't play games/knows nothing about Dragon Age etc etc. She understands my addiction, so to show off the picture quality on the tablet, I pulled up my Imgur account and started showing her screenshots. I was like "See? Look at how hot he is!" And she was like "Yeah, I can see why you're addicted."  :P


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#114620
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Like with the eyebrow complexion mod I put up yesterday, this one also reduces the amount of color (pinkness/redness) for lips that don't use any lip color.

 

 

Does the cateyeliner have black heavy eyeshadow on the lids though?



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I just finished my Solas romance yesterday, and honestly, it left me depressive and angry. He is a great character, do not get me wrong, but the relationship, in my opinion, was based on lies, much like Blackwall's. This is why I always go back to Cullen. He has his issues, of course, but he is so pure, protective, and honest. Maybe it's just me, maybe I just like safe romances = honest romances. I always tell myself that I will try all romances, but honestly, I'm just lying to myself. In DA:O, I always romanced Alistair, then in DA:2 Fenris and now Cullen. Sigh.

 

Yeah... :blush:

That is true. I can't see any good of doing any relationship that is not based on honesty.

 

I also always romance the same trio as you do (Alistair, Fenris, Cullen). The three of them, while having issues each of different gravity (Fenris the worst) are honest ones.

 

 

This was my perspective on this too. I'm not sure.... maybe it's because I'm viewing this more from the perspective of an interpersonal relationship, instead of what is potentially best for the inquisition (because what is best for inquisition is arguable).

 

He has an outburst about how he must do absolutely better at protecting Skyhold, which hints to his state of mind.

 

I got his scene after the Adamant, which just added to the whole concept of him panicking. Sometimes the timing of the quest works really well.

 

On the other hand, you know, I get it, much depends on him but he is not alone in this, there are supportive people around him, even if you don't romance him. Sometimes I think that he is too used to be alone and rely only on himself (what happened in circle, in kirkwall etc.)

 

Cass won great cookie points from me actually, since she's really the one who seems to be there for him & supporting his decision off lyrium all along. The Inquisitor knows about this only quite lately (& can be a true as*, trust me some people can rationalized on forcing him back to lyrium just for him to "perform better as General"). Cass is the one who actually let him get this chance knowing the consequence. And she keeps supporting him until the end.

 

I love Cass. No really, I can't not respecting her for all she is.


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Completely agree.

 

Most reasons & arguments that I put before was uttered by a guy who's not into him & not romancing him. To be fair, letting Cullen keep his promise to himself (no lyrium) is taking a good deal of risk.

 

Finally, it's all about whether you trust him to be strong enough or not. Some do (most in Cullenites thread I can imagine), some don't.

 

Thank you for being understanding and painting both sides of the "argument." It's greatly appreciated. As I said, I'm going to play this out once to see what I get and I can't stand having to justify that decision.

 

Anyways, another way of looking at it is that we don't now if Cullen is really over it. We see him relaxed and feeling better on the battlements, but we also know that he still gets headaches (war room banter) and has nightmares (probably for the rest of his life). Cole says that templars are permanently changed. Who knows if Cullen will have any more adverse effects down the road...the withdrawal may catch up with him later...dlc?

 

I hate to be the Eeyore of the discussion, but it's a definite possibility.

 

That being said, yes, 99% of the time I do tell him stay off it. 


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Does the cateyeliner have black heavy eyeshadow on the lids though?

 

Yes.

 

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There's a letter from Bran himself to some noble or another in game, where he states he is only temporarily holding the throne for Hawke until her return to Kirkwall. Apparently several nobles have been entertaining foolish notions of taking Kirkwall, and Bran and Aveline have been busy disabusing them of such notions and reminding them that the Champion is still Viscount, and you best not mess with her. That's my girl. ;)

(Extra headcanon for a Sebastian romancer: need Bran remind these people that Hawke counts not only with Kirkwall's forces behind her throne, but Starkhaven's too? These people are playing with fire here.)

At work now so I can't post a screencap of his letter, but it should be in your codex entries under Characters, either under Hawke's entry or Bran's.

Thanks!!

 

Sorry to ruin it for you but I can't stop thinking of Buffalo Bill.

"I'd smite me so hard"

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Guys!! Someone went to Val Royeaux after finishing the game and they heard this: http://lydia-adams.t...ng-the-game-and


Holy cow!!!! No way!! I can't even... So maybe she *did* survive...?
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