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[Cerulione]

I dunno... I don't think any of the other LIs get much of an arc either, do they? Solas as data point number 2 isn't telling me much... emphasis on the not much. 

 

I'm sure to some extent, the plot balance is their concern, but only because I think the companion interactions overall were limited. But I don't think he was tied *that* closely to the plot. We got a lot of face time because he was an advisor, but I didn't feel like his past involvement in the games showed up that much. He got to snipe a couple times about templars better than mages, rar rar, but I didn't think that he was central to the PC's story like Alistair was. 

 

In this logic, it's Solas who is actually vital to the plot, no?

 

Not as much as Alistair however. And Morrigan's also very very vital to plot.

 

In any case, they could've add some more "drama" about him having relationship with the quizzy without making him more plot-centric. And even to the other direction: he's not comfortable with

1. being in a relationship with a woman, at first at least

2. Mages, heathens (i.e. Dalish)

3. being in a relationship with his boss.

They could've made him doubting his objectivity due to  this relationship for example. Whether as advisor he is objective or not is basically very important.

[CuriousArtemis]

omg... I went to NVIDIA website and downloaded the latest driver (even though I'm pretty sure I already downloaded it). Installed... had to restart... the screen locks up on the Win 8 welcome/sign in screen. 

 

Seriously, fcuk PC gaming lol

[CuriousArtemis]

Try headphones to find out if sound not working, or TV speakers not working (I assume you plugged a HDMI cable into your TV from the PC?). 

 

I'm not sure I can give good instructions on Windows up date if you're on Win8.1, which I assume you are? It should be one of evil widgety thingies on the tile screen. Or, go to the search box on that window's upper right and type "Control Panel". Click on Control Panel when it comes up. In control panel, navigate to System settings, and you should eventually seen option for WIndows Update. Search for updates, download and install. 

 

Okay, yeah, no worries; I did manage to figure out how to find the control panel on crazy Win 8 I'll try this once I start the PC up again. Not sure it will happen tonight... been battling this hunk of junk all night and need to start winding down for the night.

[CuriousArtemis]

Women in science...basically, sitting around a table of men and they all talk about big ideas and ask you to take notes.  Or you all go to a conference and they ask you to book all the rooms.  Or you go the field and they get you to handle the logistics.  They don't mean to do it, but getting relegated to the position of the secretary because I am the only female gets old fast.  They just assume as the woman,you would ENJOY doing those kinds of things.

 

It's not because they are sexist...it is just how they are used to the world being...so in whatever field, its gonna happen.  But more woman are doing amazing things in science and in all fields and just because the textbooks are full of old pictures of male scientists in suits and hats...the woman are dominating the later chapters.  And it makes me smile!  Girl-power!!!

 

What you just described is the very definition of sexism.....

[LolaLei]

Oh man, that would be great. I'm still not quite clear on his exact reasons for letting it all go. During his lyrium rant he says  "Don't you see why I want nothing to do with that life?" which, sure, we can. But is it the broken trust with Meredith (who he already acknowledged as not following what the Order stands for, so isn't really representative)? Is it what the Order became under Lambert (not ever really mentioned)? Is it some off-camera realization that the Circle system doesn't work during his clean up years in Kirkwall? I mean, the lyrium addiction isn't new and is just the final chain he's breaking for presumably other reasons. I just wish we'd gotten to hear more of what they were/are.

Cullen: "Don't you see why I want nothing to do with that life??"
Inquisitor: "... No, dear unfortunately it wasn't written into the script. Do elaborate further!" XD

This actually makes me wonder if there was supposed to be more to it, but perhaps it got cut? Y'know what would've given us more insight if they didn't want to/couldn't add more to his story via dialogue? Finding reports of his time in Kinloch Hold before and after his torture and details about his time in Kirkwall (both hand written notes from him back then, along with documentation by Meredith etc). We could've been hacking through Red Templars and discovered old files on him, the more we find the more we learn what Cullen went through behind the scenes, prompting us to start looking into why the red templars had them in the first place, and eventually we'd find out that Samson had been doing research on Cullen (with the aid of Carroll who obviously knew Cullen from Kinloch Hold) in order to try and find a weak spot in the Inquisition forces to give Corypheus an edge to beating us *cue* Samson trying to mess with Cullen's head later in the game when we final catch him and put him to judgement*.

[CuriousArtemis]

Okay, yeah, no worries; I did manage to figure out how to find the control panel on crazy Win 8 I'll try this once I start the PC up again. Not sure it will happen tonight... been battling this hunk of junk all night and need to start winding down for the night.

 

Wait, I know the sound on my TV works normally because I use my TV to... watch TV lol

[R2s Muse]

Wait, I know the sound on my TV works normally because I use my TV to... watch TV lol

But regular TV's sound doesn't come from your computer...

[LolaLei]

I dunno... I don't think any of the other LIs get much of an arc either, do they? Solas as data point number 2 isn't telling me much... emphasis on the not much. 
 
I'm sure to some extent, the plot balance is their concern, but only because I think the companion interactions overall were limited. But I don't think he was tied *that* closely to the plot. We got a lot of face time because he was an advisor, but I didn't feel like his past involvement in the games showed up that much. He got to snipe a couple times about templars better than mages, rar rar, but I didn't think that he was central to the PC's story like Alistair was.

Yeah, none of them got much of anything. Varric is another one that i'd consider to be very plot heavy but got very little airtime. But that's my point, they didn't want any one character to be "the plot heavy companion", couple that with the whole open world feel and lack of interaction "in the field" and everyone's involvement felt watered down. If that makes sense?

[R2s Muse]

Cullen: "Don't you see why I want nothing to do with that life??"
Inquisitor: "... No, dear unfortunately it wasn't written into the script. Do elaborate further!" XD

This actually makes me wonder if there was supposed to be more to it, but perhaps it got cut? Y'know what would've given us more insight if they didn't want to/couldn't add more to his story via dialogue? Finding reports of his time in Kinloch Hold before and after his torture and details about his time in Kirkwall (both hand written notes from him back then, along with documentation by Meredith etc). We could've been hacking through Red Templars and discovered old files on him, the more we find the more we learn what Cullen went through behind the scenes, prompting us to start looking into why the red templars had them in the first place, and eventually we'd find out that Samson had been doing research on Cullen (with the aid of Carroll who obviously knew Cullen from Kinloch Hold) in order to try and find a weak spot in the Inquisition forces to give Corypheus an edge to beating us *cue* Samson trying to mess with Cullen's head later in the game when we final catch him and put him to judgement*.

Man, that would have gone a long way to explain Hawke's cryptic comments about red lyrium and templars in Kirkwall. I *want* that story!  

[Cerulione]

Cullen: "Don't you see why I want nothing to do with that life??"
Inquisitor: "... No, dear unfortunately it wasn't written into the script. Do elaborate further!" XD

This actually makes me wonder if there was supposed to be more to it, but perhaps it got cut? Y'know what would've given us more insight if they didn't want to/couldn't add more to his story via dialogue? Finding reports of his time in Kinloch Hold before and after his torture and details about his time in Kirkwall (both hand written notes from him back then, along with documentation by Meredith etc). We could've been hacking through Red Templars and discovered old files on him, the more we find the more we learn what Cullen went through behind the scenes, prompting us to start looking into why the red templars had them in the first place, and eventually we'd find out that Samson had been doing research on Cullen (with the aid of Carroll who obviously knew Cullen from Kinloch Hold) in order to try and find a weak spot in the Inquisition forces to give Corypheus an edge to beating us *cue* Samson trying to mess with Cullen's head later in the game when we final catch him and put him to judgement*.

 

There are so many cut out lines, maybe there are things there? I heard several lines that's apparently cut (like Cullen commenting whether Varric is OK or not post Adamant/Hawke Tragedy).

 

I'd love to see anything from between DA:2 to DA:I. Was he in the breaking of Nevarran Accord? Him & Lambert won't be eyes to eyes & this might give some motive why he wants so badly to quit the Templar Orders.

[CuriousArtemis]

But regular TV's sound doesn't come from your computer...

 

I don't understand what you're saying...?

 

And now... when I start the computer... the boot-up stuff (logo, etc.) shows up, but then when I'm supposed to get to the sign-in screen, the screen goes blank >.< 

 

Okay. I guess I need to send it back. I just didn't want to do that. After paying so much money... this shouldn't happen. But it IS the kind of bad luck I tend to be cursed with. I just hope Dell makes this as painless as possible. Hopefully they will just ship me the proper box so I can send it off and have it repaired. Ugh.

[R2s Muse]

Yeah, none of them got much of anything. Varric is another one that i'd consider to be very plot heavy but got very little airtime. But that's my point, they didn't want any one character to be "the plot heavy companion", couple that with the whole open world feel and lack of interaction "in the field" and everyone's involvement felt watered down. If that makes sense?

I think so. I guess I just don't see Cullen's lack of romance "story" being just because he had so many other scenes and was different than the other characters. My suspicion is more that all the LIs probably lacked "story" in that way. It was probably just a choice they made with the romance content this time around. 

[R2s Muse]

I don't understand what you're saying...?

 

And now... when I start the computer... the boot-up stuff (logo, etc.) shows up, but then when I'm supposed to get to the sign-in screen, the screen goes blank >.< 

 

Okay. I guess I need to send it back. I just didn't want to do that. After paying so much money... this shouldn't happen. But it IS the kind of bad luck I tend to be cursed with. I just hope Dell makes this as painless as possible. Hopefully they will just ship me the proper box so I can send it off and have it repaired. Ugh.

Isn't it still on warranty??

[CuriousArtemis]

Isn't it still on warranty??

 

Yeah it has a year of warranty. I just wanted to be able to solve the problem myself I don't like the thought of spending hours on hold, then hours talking to some jerk at Dell, then having to make the trip to the post office, etc. etc. And it is just the anger and frustration I'm harboring over being in dire financial straits at present... because I purchased a lemon computer.

[Hellion Rex]

 My suspicion is more that all the LIs probably lacked "story" in that way. It was probably just a choice they made with the romance content this time around. 

^This. They all felt a tad watered down.

[LolaLei]

Yeah, it doesn't have to be a second addiction to oakmoss or something. LOL I agree, there are plenty of reasons a relationship can be in jeopardy. So that's what I mean by not a story. I mean, sure there's a climax (hur hur), but it's also a sure thing.

Maybe the DLC/expansion will add in some danger of actually potentially losing the Inquisitor/LI? The final battle certainly posed no real threat, but perhaps this is all deliberate somehow? Lure the player into thinking that the Inquisitor has come through it all with little danger of dying/suffering side effects of the anchor and then BAM! DLC/expansion where things start going ****** up!

In DA2 it felt like Hawke managed to come through relatively unscathed but if that cancelled expansion was anything to go by it sounds like he/she would've been potentially put through the grinder. All it'll take is for something dramatic to occur and then an end battle to it that makes use of our companions/advisors that poses a risk of losing them IF you don't prepare properly etc and there's your added angst to all the romances. Of course, they'd need to be sure to add in the LI's/Inquisitor's appropriate reactions to whatever the threat is that's putting their lives at risk, but it's certainly doable.

[riverbanks]

I'd love to see anything from between DA:2 to DA:I. Was he in the breaking of Nevarran Accord? Him & Lambert won't be eyes to eyes & this might give some motive why he wants so badly to quit the Templar Orders.

 

He could only have been there with Lambert if you have the world state where he's promoted to Knight-Commander in Kirkwall (Templar side ending in DA2), as Knight-Captains wouldn't have the authority. I'd like to think that Cullen was there in such a world state because at this point he's the Knight-Commander of the very Circle where this whole mess first broke out, but then again... Lambert says "not a single voiced raised in protest," so if he was there indeed, Cullen would need some really really good reasons to not raise all hell right there when Lambert proposed breaking the Accord. Maybe the sheer shell-shock of it, maybe the final straw making him just shake his head and stay quiet because what's even the point... it would have been a good story to hear about.

[R2s Muse]

Yeah it has a year of warranty. I just wanted to be able to solve the problem myself I don't like the thought of spending hours on hold, then hours talking to some jerk at Dell, then having to make the trip to the post office, etc. etc. And it is just the anger and frustration I'm harboring over being in dire financial straits at present... because I purchased a lemon computer.

Dude, hearing what you're going through... a warranty return sounds the least painful to my mind. Esp if you're not that comfortable diagnosing PCs. Vaya con Dios, my friend.

 

Maybe the DLC/expansion will add in some danger of actually potentially losing the Inquisitor/LI? The final battle certainly posed no real threat, but perhaps this is all deliberate somehow? Lure the player into thinking that the Inquisitor has come through it all with little danger of dying/suffering side effects of the anchor and then BAM! DLC/expansion where things start going ****** up!

In DA2 it felt like Hawke managed to come through relatively unscathed but if that cancelled expansion was anything to go by it sounds like he/she would've been potentially put through the grinder. All it'll take is for something dramatic to occur and then an end battle to it that makes use of our companions/advisors that poses a risk of losing them IF you don't prepare properly etc and there's your added angst to all the romances. Of course, they'd need to be sure to add in the LI's/Inquisitor's appropriate reactions to whatever the threat is that's putting their lives at risk, but it's certainly doable.

One can certainly hope!  I'll be pretty surprised if they did a DLC with much romance in it, tho. ... gah... flashbacks to how many times I ran over the Legacy banter triggers, trying to find some trace --any trace!--of my Seb rivalmance. :sob:

[LolaLei]

I think so. I guess I just don't see Cullen's lack of romance "story" being just because he had so many other scenes and was different than the other characters. My suspicion is more that all the LIs probably lacked "story" in that way. It was probably just a choice they made with the romance content this time around.

I didn't mean his romance, I meant his whole DAI story arc in general. Adding more angst/issues to his story arc would've gone some way to making his romance feel less "easy" by default, even if his issues themselves didn't actually play a part in his romance arc. Like the lyrium addiction plotline, it doesn't have any baring on his romance arc, but knowing that he's suffering brings an added layer to his romance in terms of the Inquisitor supporting him through it... or, at least, it would have IF they'd done more with it than just 3 scenes and a couple of ambient mentions.

[CuriousArtemis]

Dude, hearing what you're going through... a warranty return sounds the least painful to my mind. Esp if you're not that comfortable diagnosing PCs. Vaya con Dios, my friend.

 

Thanks, and I think it says a lot about my current emotional state that this brought tears to my eyes lol

[Hellion Rex]

He could only have been there with Lambert if you have the world state where he's promoted to Knight-Commander in Kirkwall (Templar side ending in DA2), as Knight-Captains wouldn't have the authority. I'd like to think that Cullen was there in such a world state because at this point he's the Knight-Commander of the very Circle where this whole mess first broke out, but then again... Lambert says "not a single voiced raised in protest," so if he was there indeed, Cullen would need some really really good reasons to not raise all hell right there when Lambert proposed breaking the Accord. Maybe the sheer shell-shock of it, maybe the final straw making him just shake his head and stay quiet because what's even the point... it would have been a good story to hear about.

Hold up, he ends up being Knight Commander in both endings, cause I sided with mages and he was called Knight Commander in DAI for me.

[R2s Muse]

He could only have been there with Lambert if you have the world state where he's promoted to Knight-Commander in Kirkwall (Templar side ending in DA2), as Knight-Captains wouldn't have the authority. I'd like to think that Cullen was there in such a world state because at this point he's the Knight-Commander of the very Circle where this whole mess first broke out, but then again... Lambert says "not a single voiced raised in protest," so if he was there indeed, Cullen would need some really really good reasons to not raise all hell right there when Lambert proposed breaking the Accord. Maybe the sheer shell-shock of it, maybe the final straw making him just shake his head and stay quiet because what's even the point... it would have been a good story to hear about.

It would. 

 

I hope there's a story behind his lack of promotion as well. It's seems a minor point... except that they bothered to put this minor point into the game when so many other things were left out. So there must be a story about it written somewhere, along with whatever he was doing during those three years. 

[CuriousArtemis]

I didn't mean his romance, I meant his whole DAI story arc in general. Adding more angst/issues to his story arc would've gone some way to making his romance feel less "easy" by default, even if his issues themselves didn't actually play a part in his romance arc. Like the lyrium addiction plotline, it doesn't have any baring on his romance arc, but knowing that he's suffering brings an added layer to his romance in terms of the Inquisitor supporting him through it... or, at least, it would have IF they'd done more with it than just 3 scenes and a couple of ambient mentions.

 

I didn't romance him, and found his entire character arc (if you want to call it that) forgettable and very disappointing. Maybe they had too many characters. Maybe they chose to funnel funds towards graphics and world-building and so character stories got cut. Who knows. But what we got, both with Cullen and all the other characters, pales in comparison to Fenris pacing up and down in his mansion, growling and agonizing over Danarius, or Isabela showing up at your house, desperately pleading for you to help her, then later running off, then later RETURNING, or helping Merrill stand up to her mother figure, helping or dissuading her against working on her dangerous pet project, having her snap at you and tell you to leave, helping her defeat the demon she thought she could control, then having to either put her down or help her defeat her own clan.

 

I mean, no, the story, the drama, the conflict just is not there. So, so sad.

[Hellion Rex]

It would. 

 

I hope there's a story behind his lack of promotion as well. It's seems a minor point... except that they bothered to put this minor point into the game when so many other things were left out. So there must be a story about it written somewhere, along with whatever he was doing during those three years. 

Lack of promotion? Promotion to what?

[R2s Muse]

Hold up, he ends up being Knight Commander in both endings, cause I sided with mages and he was called Knight Commander in DAI for me.

LOL If you import a promage Hawke, he doesn't get promoted officially, Brianne confirms. The Orlesian announcer dudes got it wrong. 

 

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