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LMAO, I wish! You're not the first person to ask me that.

I don't work for them, I have a YouTube channel (nothing huge, still just a small fry), i've been following DAI's development obsessively for years and started making videos about it, in the process I got friendly with a few of the devs which enabled me to get a glimpse at what was happening behind the scenes... they did send me some free DAI swag though, which was a bonus!

Out of curiosity, who said that I worked for them? I should probably clear that misunderstanding up.

We were talking about how some of us would love to work with Bioware and offer new ideas and then I said if any of us were ever to get hired, it would be you. I think my post must have been unclear and made it sound like that you already worked for Bioware.



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Mmhm! I know the Devs said that they listened to all of us fans, but did they really? Will DA4 be the best game in the series or will we be forever chasing a magical unicorn in the form of a video game? If one thing Bioware excels at is their story/character development. That is what made people fall in love with their games, why are they seemingly moving away from what made them great. I don't want another Skyrim, I don't want another Oblivion...I want an amazing narrative with great characters. We have seen Bioware deliver those things before...why are they stopping now?


That is why all of these GOTY awards are scaring me :( This could be the end of an era... the character-driven BioWare game of yesteryear may be gone.
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Yeeeah, I found it really interesting that they confirmed that Meredith turned into lyrium... but not what they did with the statue... We used to joke about the templars breaking pieces off and huffing them (Lola's phrase!). Maybe they actually did!

 

Part of my headcanon for Samson going... Samson after all Hawke and Cullen did to help him (I WAS ROOTING FOR YOU WE WERE ALL ROOTING FOR YOU!!!!) is that he slowly lost it over time just from standing around in the courtyard staring too much and too long at statue!Meredith, until the red lyrium broke whatever cognitive sense he still had on top of his serious addiction issues. If a tiny fragment in his pocket was doing Varric in, you can't just leave a damn red lyrium totem in the middle of the Circle grounds and not expect it to drive the whole lot of them mad.



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XD I said that she was the one out of all us that was more likely to get hired by Bioware, sorry if my post was not clear.


Naaaaaw, if anyone gets hired by BioWare it'll be Ashe (LadyInsanity) she's far more business minded and experienced when it comes to the games industry and BioWare in general.

... Plus, I think they'd consider me to be too unpredictable and sweary (not that I can't mind my mouth, I'm nothing but professional when at work, LOL!) I don't think I'd be able to hold my tongue if I thought something was a bit shite either, so I'm probably not the best person to hire if you want nothing but marketing hype!

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Nah, I can't see how the Divine won't send either Cass or Leliana since the very morrow of Kirkwall Rebellion. During Seb Vael's personal quest we met Leliana who inform Hawke that the Divine is highly interested & follow closely Kirkwall's situation. After the Kirkwall Rebellion it only make sense that she'll send one oh the Hand to come to place directly.

 

I just can't see why either Cass or Leli will avoid talking to Cullen at the very same year the rebellion happen. Varric's only been caught by Cass 2 years later.

This is the exact conundrum that led to me writing Fool's Errand, actually. Three years ago I started writing a Cullen interrogation scene before I realized that... the interrogation couldn't be happening til three years later! That was the genesis for the rest of the story.



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That is why all of these GOTY awards are scaring me :( This could be the end of an era... the character-driven BioWare game of yesteryear may be gone.

Let's be honest has there really been any other game that would have the chance to get some GOTY awards. The only two that come to mind is DA:I and Shadows of Mordor. So it's not like there was that much competition.



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Part of my headcanon for Samson going... Samson after all Hawke and Cullen did to help him (I WAS ROOTING FOR YOU WE WERE ALL ROOTING FOR YOU!!!!) is that he slowly lost it over time just from standing around in the courtyard staring too much and too long at statue!Meredith, until the red lyrium broke whatever cognitive sense he still had on top of his serious addiction issues. If a tiny fragment in his pocket was doing Varric in, you can't just leave a damn red lyrium totem in the middle of the Circle grounds and not expect it to drive the whole lot of them mad.

Honestly, that's so totally plausible... I wonder if that's the red lyrium prob Hawke was talking about! 


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Mmhm! I know the Devs said that they listened to all of us fans, but did they really? Will DA4 be the best game in the series or will we be forever chasing a magical unicorn in the form of a video game? If one thing Bioware excels at is their story/character development. That is what made people fall in love with their games, why are they seemingly moving away from what made them great. I don't want another Skyrim, I don't want another Oblivion...I want an amazing narrative with great characters. We have seen Bioware deliver those things before...why are they stopping now?

 

I really hope that BW will stop to try catching up Skyrim's concept. I love Skyrim for what the TES stands for, open world exploration & immersion. Heck, Bethesda never try to sell Skyrim's companion stories. Their strong point is immersion, letting player to be what they want, do what they want in a beautiful world they created. They don't try to do both in a game and just focus on their forte.

 

BW's strong point is character development. If I just want to play a pretty game with shallow companions, I'll play Skyrim instead. It's much more prettier & I love the battle system more TBH.

 

In my very personal opinion, they should focus on the character development of companions, story, heart-wrenching choices that make fan cries and less focus on the Open World stuff. Things like that which are their forte.


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There is a war table mission where you can send people to Kirkwall to help with repairs and such. It's mentioned that they tried to move the Meredith statue but were unable to. The only solution they were able to come up with was to seal off the courtyard.



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There is a war table mission where you can send people to Kirkwall to help with repairs and such. It's mentioned that they tried to move the Meredith statue but were unable to. The only solution they were able to come up with was to seal off the courtyard.

Ah, is that what they did? Is that for an anders-is-alive (so seb is crazy and not helping kirkwall) playthrough?



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This is the exact conundrum that led to me writing Fool's Errand, actually. Three years ago I started writing a Cullen interrogation scene before I realized that... the interrogation couldn't be happening til three years later! That was the genesis for the rest of the story.

 

IIRC you also wrote a fanfic on how Cullen was in the Breaking of Nevarran Accord?

 

That's how I started to imagine that it's so normal for him to be there :lol:



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Mmhm! I know the Devs said that they listened to all of us fans, but did they really? Will DA4 be the best game in the series or will we be forever chasing a magical unicorn in the form of a video game? If one thing Bioware excels at is their story/character development. That is what made people fall in love with their games, why are they seemingly moving away from what made them great. I don't want another Skyrim, I don't want another Oblivion...I want an amazing narrative with great characters. We have seen Bioware deliver those things before...why are they stopping now?


Personally, I don't think they'll ever get it right from now on, not with this open world trend and EA breathing down their necks. I thought DAI would crack it, but now I see that it's unlikely that they'll ever return to the winning formula of their passed games. Pity.

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Ah, is that what they did? Is that for an anders-is-alive (so seb is crazy and not helping kirkwall) playthrough?

 

Nope, I got that mission for dead anders too.



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IIRC you also wrote a fanfic on how Cullen was in the Breaking of Nevarran Accord?

 

That's how I started to imagine that it's so normal for him to be there :lol:

LOL Yeah, The Coming Storm. That was my attempt to reconcile him being KC and not saying anything at the meeting, that it was all a big Justinia plot. LOL  Ironically, just yesterday I realized that I wrote Justinia saying something almost identical to something Cassandra quotes from her. That sometimes you need to break something  you love in order to make it stronger. Heh. I really wish we'd gotten to meet her. 



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Personally, I don't think they'll ever get it right from now on, not with this open world trend and EA breathing down their necks. I thought DAI would crack it, but now I see that it's unlikely that they'll ever return to the winning formula of their passed games. Pity.

EA seemed to back off a bit when it came to DA:I. They have not learned humility yet, but they may have an inkling as to what humility is. So I think if EA furthers itself from Bioware then everything will go smoother. Lola, are you discouraged to the point of where you don't want to play anymore DA or ME games? 



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LOL Yeah, The Coming Storm. That was my attempt to reconcile him being KC and not saying anything at the meeting, that it was all a big Justinia plot. LOL  Ironically, just yesterday I realized that I wrote Justinia saying something almost identical to something Cassandra quotes from her. That sometimes you need to break something  you love in order to make it stronger. Heh. I really wish we'd gotten to meet her. 

 

I really love that one, The Coming Storm. It gives so much sense or urgency to the whole DA:I.

 

Too bad we don't get to meet with people in the temple of sacred ashes before the explotion. It'll be interesting to see the Temple once more. And also each one's opinion on the war.


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Is there a timeline of all this somewhere? My brain has a hard time with "this happened then this happened" instead of bullet points or a timeline.



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I really love that one, The Coming Storm. It gives so much sense or urgency to the whole DA:I.

 

Too bad we don't get to meet with people in the temple of sacred ashes before the explotion. It'll be interesting to see the Temple once more. And also each one's opinion on the war.

Aw, thanks. I did, too. Now that we know what we know about DA:I... I guess it could've actually happened! LOL But, yeah, that would've been nice. While I see why they did it, starting the story at the latest possible moment they could like good storytellers, it would've been interesting to see the folks you were with at the Conclave as well, 


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Naaaaaw, if anyone gets hired by BioWare it'll be Ashe (LadyInsanity) she's far more business minded and experienced when it comes to the games industry and BioWare in general.

... Plus, I think they'd consider me to be too unpredictable and sweary (not that I can't mind my mouth, I'm nothing but professional when at work, LOL!) I don't think I'd be able to hold my tongue if I thought something was a bit shite either, so I'm probably not the best person to hire if you want nothing but marketing hype!


I'd be fine if they just contracted Adela for the hair.
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Is there a timeline of all this somewhere? My brain has a hard time with "this happened then this happened" instead of bullet points or a timeline.

Um, yeah there's a good one on the wiki. There's a simplified one on the da.com web site. There's the one in World of Thedas, but those points are all in the wiki one. 


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Mmhm! I know the Devs said that they listened to all of us fans, but did they really? Will DA4 be the best game in the series or will we be forever chasing a magical unicorn in the form of a video game? If one thing Bioware excels at is their story/character development. That is what made people fall in love with their games, why are they seemingly moving away from what made them great. I don't want another Skyrim, I don't want another Oblivion...I want an amazing narrative with great characters. We have seen Bioware deliver those things before...why are they stopping now?

I worry about it a bit too; story-based games with a lot of voiced interactions between PCs and NPCs are expensive to produce, not only in animation and writing, but also the voice actors (none of which can be handed over to someone in-house, so they have the extra expense of the hiring process and the cost of the actors, plus the sound engineering, etc.) Having to write and voice so many variations of responses (and even then, there are holes in your choices that we've all seen) also eats up a lot of word and VA budget.

 

So it's probably tempting to move toward a big open world that can just have new content inserted from time to time with much less story. I think why some of Cullen's story feels a bit short changed is they were trying to involve him in too many things, either story or personal (templars, mages, PTSD, lyrium withdrawal, red lyrium, etc.) for the word budget. I honestly think Cullen being at the place he is right now makes sense given the duration of DA2 and the time elapsed between the end of DA2 and the explosion at the Temple. The problem is we just don't hear how or why he made some of those decisions so it feels like there are holes.


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Nah, I can't see how the Divine won't send either Cass or Leliana since the very morrow of Kirkwall Rebellion. During Seb Vael's personal quest we met Leliana who inform Hawke that the Divine is highly interested & follow closely Kirkwall's situation. After the Kirkwall Rebellion it only make sense that she'll send one oh the Hand to come to place directly.

 

I just can't see why either Cass or Leli will avoid talking to Cullen at the very same year the rebellion happen. Varric's only been caught by Cass 2 years later.

 

I guess the Divine knew about the 'Kirkwall Incidence' and its cause through whatever method. And soon after the Incidence, the relation between mages/templars were very tense so she did not send one of her hands to Kirkwall as there were more important things to do. Once she decided to hold the conclave and her backup plan of the Inquisition, she sent Cass and Leliana to Kirkwall to interrogate Varric. I guess Varric was a neutral party in the whole incidence as he was not a mage nor a templar. While asking Cullen might yield a biased description on what truly happened. Moreover, Cass and Leliana had gone to search the HoF before coming to Kirwall so that delayed them a bit?  :P Does that make sense?  :blush:  :blush:



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Just got complained by my manager that I used my phone too much during work in the past month...*discussed noise

Edit: wait I'm on top of the page? Crap I don't have a Cullen right now...

Um...have a naked Cullen from Google I guess?
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Part of my headcanon for Samson going... Samson after all Hawke and Cullen did to help him (I WAS ROOTING FOR YOU WE WERE ALL ROOTING FOR YOU!!!!) is that he slowly lost it over time just from standing around in the courtyard staring too much and too long at statue!Meredith, until the red lyrium broke whatever cognitive sense he still had on top of his serious addiction issues. If a tiny fragment in his pocket was doing Varric in, you can't just leave a damn red lyrium totem in the middle of the Circle grounds and not expect it to drive the whole lot of them mad.

 

I thought Samson was somehow immune to red lyrium? <_<  So he had a clear mind. But yes, it is possible for half of the templars to go crazy due to the effects of Meredith the Statue



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EA seemed to back off a bit when it came to DA:I. They have not learned humility yet, but they may have an inkling as to what humility is. So I think if EA furthers itself from Bioware then everything will go smoother. Lola, are you discouraged to the point of where you don't want to play anymore DA or ME games?


Not quite there yet. I mean, ME i'm more curious about than anything else since I wanna see where they take it now that Shepard's story is over. As for DA, I guess it depends how many needless death they pull out for "dramaz" etc, lol. I just need to accept that BioWare don't make the type of games that they used to.