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[HuldraDancer]

Pretty bad attempt at trying to recreate Cullen through a maker game. (the woman is suppose to be my human mage Maura) 

 

[Tishina]

Pretty bad attempt at trying to recreate Cullen through a maker game. (the woman is suppose to be my human mage Maura) 

 

I don't care about the couple, the cockatoo is adorable!

[HuldraDancer]

I don't care about the couple, the cockatoo is adorable!

 

Yes the cockatoo does steal the whole thing doesn't it? But that's okay because it's adorable.

[LolaLei]

I thought Samson was somehow immune to red lyrium? So he had a clear mind. But yes, it is possible for half of the templars to go crazy due to the effects of Meredith the Statue

Samson's special suit of armour kept the corruption of the red lyrium he was ingesting from mutating him etc, when Dagna creates that special rune to deactivate it (or when you beat his arse without and some how stop it from working) he'll say during his trial that without the powers that his suit of armour had the corruption of the red lyrium will soon take hold at a rapid rate and eventually turn him into a monster.

[TheRaccoon]

Samson's special suit of armour kept the corruption of the red lyrium he was ingesting from mutating him etc, when Dagna creates that special rune to deactivate it (or when you beat his arse without and some how stop it from working) he'll say during his trial that without the powers that his suit of armour had the corruption of the red lyrium will soon take hold at a rapid rate and eventually turn him into a monster.

 

And I always thought his special armour was to power him up or something...  

[Sifr]

Samson's special suit of armour kept the corruption of the red lyrium he was ingesting from mutating him etc, when Dagna creates that special rune to deactivate it (or when you beat his arse without and some how stop it from working) he'll say during his trial that without the powers that his suit of armour had the corruption of the red lyrium will soon take hold at a rapid rate and eventually turn him into a monster.

 

And I always thought his special armour was to power him up or something...  

 

I thought he implied that Corypheus was somehow keeping the Red Lyrium at bay and the suit was simply a gift of powered armour for him?

 

(Unless I'm misremembering what he said?)

[LolaLei]

And I always thought his special armour was to power him up or something...  

Naw, the red lyrium gave him his strength and mental clarity, the suit stopped all the bad side effects to it, but now his suit has been deactivated his lyrium cravings are back, and all the benefits he was getting from the red lyrium is gradually being replaced with all the side effects, along with the side effects he had from the regular stuff. Basically he's screwed, lol.

[LolaLei]

I thought he implied that Corypheus was somehow keeping the Red Lyrium at bay and the suit was simply a gift of powered armour for him?

(Unless I'm misremembering what he said?)

Naw, Corypheus had the suit created/made it himself that had the power to keep the red lyriums corruption at bay. It's never clarified how Cory made it or what he done to it to prevent the corruption.

[meanieweenie]

This is the exact conundrum that led to me writing Fool's Errand, actually. Three years ago I started writing a Cullen interrogation scene before I realized that... the interrogation couldn't be happening til three years later! That was the genesis for the rest of the story.

In theory, you could write any story with whatever wormhole of time you wanted and just sign "~ by Varric Tethras" at the end. Solves all necessity for facts and calendars. 

[R2s Muse]

In theory, you could write any story with whatever wormhole of time you wanted and just sign "~ by Varric Tethras" at the end. Solves all necessity for facts and calendars. 

LOL Good point. Heh heh, which I suppose I've also done.

[R2s Muse]

Oh, wow. 
 
Dragon Age Inquisition Cullen by thesimplyLexi

[R2s Muse]

And this is sort of heartbreaking. A direct juxtaposition by f*ckyeahcullen of quitting vs. staying on lyrium. 

 

http://fuckyeahculle...g-vs-sustaining

[blauwvis]

Today's been busy so it's taken me even longer to catch up with the conversations that happen while I'm asleep... and once again, I would like to touch on something that's a few pages back. Namely, why do people feel that Cullen's disillusionment with the Order isn't adequately explained? I'll grant you, it's not all laid out in a diagram, but there's plenty of information to go on...

MASSIVE ELABORATION FOLLOWS. TURN BACK NOW. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

Spoiler

Consider young Cullen. He is, by his own admission, an idealistic, freshly-scrubbed young Templar, off to do good and help people. If he's somewhere in the mid-30's at the time of DA:I, and that's following 10-and-a-bit years in Kirkwall, let's say he's about 18 years old. He gets sent to the Ferelden Circle. It's presented as a slightly more liberal place than some other Circles, but it's hardly all hand-holding and kum-ba-ya. There's still the Harrowings, and there's no shortage of tension. Apprentices are made Tranquil. Mages that make trouble – mages like Anders, who ended up in solitary confinement for a year, recall – are submitted to punishments that might seem extreme to a starry-eyed young man. A cat was possessed by a rage demon. People died. I seem to recall apprentices being set on fire in the mage origin story. Blood magic was involved. People run away, and are hunted. These are just the things we know about. There's no way these experiences didn't take a toll on him, and that's before sh*t really hit the fan.

So a whole lot of people die horribly, and he's imprisoned and tortured by mages and demons. As he says, how can you even be the same person after that? Nice young man becomes angry, embittered man. He gets sent to Kirkwall, and if things were tense in Ferelden, well, they're a thousand times worse here. His Knight-Commander manipulates him, uses his anger to control him, but he's okay with that, to start with.

As the years pass, his stance begins to soften. He's still a nice guy, deep down; still the guy who became a templar because he wanted to protect and serve. But what can he do? Maybe Meredith's approach makes him uncomfortable, but she's not entirely wrong, is she? He admits that. As Knight-Commander, she's got the leeway to do as she sees fit, and there are plenty of Templars (including many at the top of the hierarchy) who see her approach as entirely justified. There is precedent, and she has cause.

I know you can ask Cass about why the Seekers dropped the ball there, and I wish I could remember the exact response she gave – whether they overlooked it or simply didn't see it as all that bad. Either way, there are some serious problems with this institution.

And it all ends badly, of course, and Cullen's left holding the bag one way or another. It is a shame that we don't find out more about what happened in Kirkwall afterwards, but whatever it was, it's clear that it wasn't good, at least as far as the templars were concerned.

The icing on the crapcake, of course, is that the price he's paid for this life –- the life that he wanted so badly as a kid and that's gone so completely, utterly wrong –- is his freedom, possibly his very mind. The same price that all Templars pay. Stay with the Order and keep taking lyrium? Eventually your mind gets erased. Leave the Order, stop taking lyrium? You might die, go mad, or at the very least be stuck with PTSD for the rest of your life.

He's given up everything, and all he got in return was close to 20 years of horrible sh*t. He's been loyal to the ideals of the Order, and it's handed him crap at every turn. We don't need to see him questioning the Order, because he's had years to do that already.

So can I see why he would want nothing to do with that life? Oh, yes, I can definitely see it. I don't need to know more. You could say that I'm embellishing my game with head canon, here, but I prefer to think of it as taking what we've already been told and applying it. The pieces are all there. I like having the opportunity to put them together, and appreciate that far more than I would have appreciated a conversation in which Cullen lays out every step of his thought process. People don't really work like that. Plus, straight exposition is boring.

Unrelated to all of my rambling, I'll agree that the companion stories were a lot more fleshed out in DA2. But that was a much more personal, more narrowly focused story overall. The plotting couldn't have been tighter, really, with all the threads tying back in on themselves. On paper, it looks beautiful. But in practice, I felt that it went a bit far quite a lot of the time, and the companions stopped being characters and turned into one-note mouthpieces for their various causes. Yes, they should have served a narrative purpose, but sometimes they served it a little too well.

Not that anyone appreciated DA2's focus at the time! What with its horrible reception, including plenty of complaints about the narrowness of the plot, I'm not surprised that BW went in a different direction. (Though perhaps they didn't have to go quite so far.) They really can't win.

[blauwvis]

And this is sort of heartbreaking. A direct juxtaposition by f*ckyeahcullen of quitting vs. staying on lyrium. 
 
http://fuckyeahculle...g-vs-sustaining

I don't think even my Jerkquisitor will be able to make him stay on lyrium. And he's following in the tradition of a Warden who was cruel to Alistair!

People want some sort of difference when it comes to lyrium vs. no lyrium? There it is... though admittedly you have to try it both ways to see the effects of your decision.

[alwayshungry]

http://freyleif.tumb...nder-you-did-it

Spoiler

 

http://niklisson.tum...remember-was-so

Based on a scene from this fanfic by qunaributts

 

http://lich-loved.tu...really-like-him

 

http://generalpitchi...-far-hurray-for

[Sifr]

Naw, Corypheus had the suit created/made it himself that had the power to keep the red lyriums corruption at bay. It's never clarified how Cory made it or what he done to it to prevent the corruption.

 

We know that Maddox built the armour, but it could have been that he might have come up with the design himself (rather than Corypheus), to try to keep Samson's Red Lyrium progression at bay, as a thank you for taking him in after being abandoned when the Gallows fell? It'd tie in with how the Dwarves and the Tranquil are somehow linked, as well as how Dagna's the only one who can figure out a way to undo the armour?

 

I suppose Corypheus could have provided the design, but the more and more I think about Corypheus' actions whenever we encounter him over the course of the game, compared to all the highly complicated plans he's supposed to have come up with, it's getting harder for me to imagine he's really a mastermind and instead not relying on a ton of smarter underlings to do the planning for him?

[Cerulione]

I don't think even my Jerkquisitor will be able to make him stay on lyrium. And he's following in the tradition of a Warden who was cruel to Alistair!

People want some sort of difference when it comes to lyrium vs. no lyrium? There it is... though admittedly you have to try it both ways to see the effects of your decision.

 

I've discussed with some people in Cass thread once about this topic. Most of them support Cullen's off lyrium because well, Cass believe that Cullen can do it. But they also get lots of major arguments of why it's not a good idea at all. I can't say I'm agree to all but believe me, there'll be always valid reasons for forcing him back or asking him to stay off it.

 

 

*snip*

 

Very very good point.

Also, I get the impression that actually it happens like this:

 

DA:O -> We companions follows the Warden to save Ferelden

DA:I -> We companions & advisors follow the Inquisitor to save Thedas

 

DA2 -> We companions follow Hawke because well... we're Hawke's friends & family & love him/her no matter what.

 

So in DA2 the focus is more to Hawke/Companion than saving the world/Kirkwall itself...

[R2s Muse]

 

DA2 -> We companions follow Hawke because well... we're Hawke's friends & family & love him/her no matter what.

 

So in DA2 the focus is more to Hawke/Companion than saving the world/Kirkwall itself...

LOL DA2 in a nutshell!  "I enjoy following you."

[Cerulione]

LOL DA2 in a nutshell!  "I enjoy following you."

 

So true!

 

DA:O in a nutshell: The Blight must be stopped at all cost!

 

DA:I in a nutshell: Corypheus must be stopped at all cost!

 

DA2 in a nutshell: "I enjoy following you"

 

 

Aaah Fenris...

[Sifr]

 

DA2 -> We companions follow Hawke because well... we're Hawke's friends & family & love him/her no matter what.

 

So in DA2 the focus is more to Hawke/Companion than saving the world/Kirkwall itself...

 

Plus unlike Origins and Inquisition, Kirkwall is pretty much designed to implode anyway and screw everyone living there...

 

Varric said it best that he prefers heroes who have a ton of flaws and who still fight, even if they don't win and might even die at the end, because it's a lot more heroic than a perfect hero who everything always goes right for... and to be honest, I completely agree with him and find that a completely apt metaphor for DA2 and how it's perceived in the series.

 

Sure, Hawke makes a lot of mistakes and doesn't ever win, but at the end of the day, they still tried... whereas the Warden and the Inquisitor always save the day and rarely fail at anything.

[LolaLei]

Plus unlike Origins and Inquisition, Kirkwall is pretty much designed to implode anyway and screw everyone living there...

 

Varric said it best that he prefers heroes who have a ton of flaws and who still fight, even if they don't win and might even die at the end, because it's a lot more heroic than a perfect hero who everything always goes right for... and to be honest, I completely agree with him and find that a completely apt metaphor for DA2 and how it's perceived in the series.

 

Sure, Hawke makes a lot of mistakes and doesn't ever win, but at the end of the day, they still tried... whereas the Warden and the Inquisitor always save the day and rarely fail at anything.

 

And yet here we are in DAI with the perfect hero to which pretty much everything goes right for in the end, LOL! 

[Cerulione]

Plus unlike Origins and Inquisition, Kirkwall is pretty much designed to implode anyway and screw everyone living there...

 

Varric said it best that he prefers heroes who have a ton of flaws and who still fight, even if they don't win and might even die at the end, because it's a lot more heroic than a perfect hero who everything always goes right for... and to be honest, I completely agree with him and find that a completely apt metaphor for DA2 and how it's perceived in the series.

 

Sure, Hawke makes a lot of mistakes and doesn't ever win, but at the end of the day, they still tried... whereas the Warden and the Inquisitor always save the day and rarely fail at anything.

 

Hawke's an interesting concept. I still love DA2 TBH, and all its companions. It's just that I really hope they'll put him in another place beside Kirkwall as available map. Running in Hightown for the 1000 0000 000 zillionth times made me want to bomb Kirkwall.

[Cerulione]

And yet here we are in DAI with the perfect hero to which pretty much everything goes right for in the end, LOL! 

 

Seriously, I'd love to see a DLC with the possibility of the quizzy fails or die. Like the US thing in Origin.

 

#DramaDramaDrama

[ThreeF]

DA2 would be great as a story if not for the rushed 3d Act (and the way Anders was introduces, I sort of felt that the devs absolutely wanted me to date him for more drama)

[Sifr]

And yet here we are in DAI with the perfect hero to which pretty much everything goes right for in the end, LOL! 

 

Which is kinda why I still prefer Hawke as my favourite protagonist?

 

It makes me wonder if part of the problem with how DA2 was received is that Hawke comes across as a very British protagonist, as they completely embody the underdog, the everyman and the guy for whom every victory comes at the cost of some kind of defeat? Those kinds of characters are a staple in the UK, but not necessarily in Europe or over the pond, where most of the market for these games are?

 

(Of course, there are a lot of Brits who aren't as fond of DA2 either, but still, he does seem to be more our kind of character?)

 

I kinda wish we'd have a moment in the game where we could have lost at something, kind of like Virmire in ME1 (where someone has to die) , another Thessia in ME3 (where we fail both the mission and to save the planet), another Ostagar in Origins or a situation like the end of DA2 where you have to pick the best outcome out of a sea of really bad options?