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[Teshayel]

That's why I like to romance him Post-Perseverance

 

Maybe BW just say, "Aaaaaaah The Cullenites had already get their own headcannons to death, better let them write their own stories with Noodles!"

 

Just Kidding

 

How on earth can you manage to do that? I am on my second playthrough right now, level 9. I had two visits to Skyhold so far after arriving there. And, on my second visit, the chess scene triggered, and immediately afterwards, I was able to start a romance with him. Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining - hell, I played the scene twice But to actually wait until after Perseverance, when the option is just sitting there... Inconceivable!

[wiccame]

How on earth can you manage to do that? I am on my second playthrough right now, level 9. I had two visits to Skyhold so far after arriving there. And, on my second visit, the chess scene triggered, and immediately afterwards, I was able to start a romance with him. Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining - hell, I played the scene twice But to actually wait until after Perseverance, when the option is just sitting there... Inconceivable!

IKR, how can you get through the chess game without flirting with him...it's impossible!!

[Teshayel]

Rocky Balboa!  Classic American underdog tale!  We love those kinda stories.  5 sequels worth!!!  (Although, I LOVE Arthur Dent as well)

 

The reason i personally did not like Hawke as a protaganist was less about the crap that happened to her and more about the fact that I could never get her to say something that didn't sound...rather heartless.  Funny enough, my Irish friend who also played the game said the exact same thing to me about it when I complained..."It's because she's British...". 

 

But I love the British snark! I can't quite put my finger on what it was I disliked so much about Hawke...she just seemed cold to me.  Her responses always seemed heartless. But would be interesting to see if the opinion differed across British versus non-British players.  An interesting idea...although I don't buy it is because we aren't uncomfortable with "everyman" tales. 

 

I'll stew over this today (as I friggen pipette all day) and see if I can give some intelligent, post-coffee insight to this...from an American underdog, as it were! 

 

I generally chose diplomatic personalities for Hawke - I liked how reserved she sounded. To me it was in tune with how a nobleman would navigate social waters Snarky Hawke was just... awkward   Then there were the romance scenes... soooooooo syrupy  But, I think when you put it in the context of Varric telling her tale, and him admitting to being bad at writing romance, it all makes sense

[Cerulione]

How on earth can you manage to do that? I am on my second playthrough right now, level 9. I had two visits to Skyhold so far after arriving there. And, on my second visit, the chess scene triggered, and immediately afterwards, I was able to start a romance with him. Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining - hell, I played the scene twice But to actually wait until after Perseverance, when the option is just sitting there... Inconceivable!

 

Nah, there's a trick: I've already done one complete PT romancing him as soon as possible & keep all the save file.

 

Everytime I have Cullen Withdrawal, I switched to my other completed character and well...

 

Just to say, now I'm having a Love/Hate relationship with him. I keep wanting to make him suffer in fanfics & drawings...

[wiccame]

Nah, there's a trick: I've already done one complete PT romancing him as soon as possible & keep all the save file.

 

Everytime I have Cullen Withdrawal, I switched to my other completed character and well...

 

Just to say, now I'm having a Love/Hate relationship with him. I keep wanting to make him suffer in fanfics & drawings...

I *cough* do this when I am romancing...or attempting....to romance someone else. I get the itch and have to load up a Cullen romance scene or I go insane!

[Cerulione]

I *cough* do this when I am romancing...or attempting....to romance someone else. I get the itch and have to load up a Cullen romance scene or I go insane!

 

Bwahahahaha I even fail at that, bravo for being able to romance someone else!

 

Cullen had already stole my Luthiel Lavellan from Solas... (he already got 2 inquisitors devoted solely to him and that's not enough... Oh là là the Harem...)

[Sifr]

I generally chose diplomatic personalities for Hawke - I liked how reserved she sounded. To me it was in tune with how a nobleman would navigate social waters Snarky Hawke was just... awkward   Then there were the romance scenes... soooooooo syrupy  But, I think when you put it in the context of Varric telling her tale, and him admitting to being bad at writing romance, it all makes sense

 

When you remember how close Varric is to Isabela and Hawke, it does make sense that he'd perfectly nail their rough and tumble tryst, coupled with how their subsequent conversation dealt with their feelings about it... it definitely seemed the most natural conversation out of all of them.

 

(And I didn't intend for all the double entendres there, they just happened)

 

Compared to Anders, Fenris and Merrill's romance scenes... yeah, Varric's not great at writing romantic dialogue.

[kalasaurus]

Because I'm a terrible person to bridge the gap between Cullenites and Solassians, I made another fan video... this time dedicated to Cullen and Solas (from my polyamory bug).  Enjoy

 

[wiccame]

Bwahahahaha I even fail at that, bravo for being able to romance someone else!

 

Cullen had already stole my Luthiel Lavellan from Solas... (he already got 2 inquisitors devoted solely to him and that's not enough... Oh là là the Harem...)

LOL it's easier as a dwarf or qunari. Although when I know there is a flirt line that isn't showing for me, I get all antsy......I'm being deprived!!! 

 

I tried an elf for Solas, Cullen stole her. I tried an elf for Blackwall, Cullen stole her. Lol he's just too cheeky that boy.

[MelissaGT]

This too. How are we supposed to make decisions like that if we have no idea what we are saying? I know they wanted it a little more organic but that's just leaving us completely in the dark until much later and ooops guess I shouldn't have said that hours ago.

 

I never had any issues pushing towards the Divine I wanted. I can't remember the exact dialogue but you can certainly push one way or the other. On my last playthrough, I wanted Cass as Divine and got it. Big decisions I made:

 

• Chose Gaspard (followed through with peace talks)
• Told Leliana she would make a terrible Divine
• Told Cass she would make a great Divine
• Didn't really talk to Viv about it at all - never came up - I did finish all her stuff

[Monica21]

Oh my depressed now... 

 

So can I ask you guys? I'm going to start heavily playing Rhiannon, who was training to become a templar before the Concalve. She will become a templar when she gets the chance (that's her character personality - sacrifice for the greater good). I'm not sure if she'll start the romance before or after Perserverance, but Cullen will stay on lyrium (for now). I'm not going to re-hash my decision behind this, only to say that I want to see all possible facets of the romance. Would you guys be interested in me recording these scenes and sharing? I don't want to cause a big hullabaloo if I do and post them, so you tell me what you want!

 

From way back, thirded or fourthed. I am interested in seeing how these play out. I don't usually play a warrior type and I don't know if I'll choose to in DAI, so it would be interesting to see them.

 

Well DA2 is my favorite of the three I really don't think it's a good idea to start describing things as American or British cause seems we could cause offense when going down that path....

Anyway, to me DAI is the weakest game. Tis all a matter of opinion!

 

I think Inquisition's weakness is the lack of tie-ins to all the zones. I think it has a really strong story, but it's just way too short. Instead of getting to Skyhold and having ten zones open up, it would be nice to have a reason to go to those zones, like "you have to meet the Warden" and that's how you get to Crestwood. Instead it's just that yeah, the Empress is having a party and there's also weird stuff going on with the Wardens and suddenly there's suspicious activity in the Western Approach that desperately needs investigation!!!! What? Why do I care about unexplained suspicious activity if there's an assassination plot and blood magic going on?

[Freedheart]

Getting Solas' approval is easy? He and my Lavellan argue about everything! Both my elf companions don't like my elf quizzy lol  She's too elfy & magic (icky!) for Sera, and apparently being proud of being Dalish makes her foolish in Solas' opinion.  Funny thing is, I always intended my elf for Solas, but Sera made me laugh so hard during my first play through, I was going to romance her - but decided to give her a nice qunari girl.  Cullen's story caught my attention, I'm a sucker for a fixer-upper lol.

[Scintillla]

 

 

I do think there's the potential, if you choose to pass up some flirts, to have a friendly relationship with him before the romance starts, but he's pretty business-like outside of a romance with only one or two exceptions. I've passed up all the flirts with him since the first one on my Dalish who's romancing Solas, including that first one at Skyhold, but I'm still getting options to flirt with him. And you can actually ask him a lot of fairly personal questions along the way. I think having those discussions outside of cutscenes tends to make people forget them. And I obviously think they could have included more since that's what I'm filling in for myself with my fanfic, but I find myself really reluctant to put too many words in his mouth about himself, so it feels too one-sided to me.

 

That's what I did with him. I feel like we got to hang out and be friends (I did flirt with him a little) and it took me forever to start a romance with him. He does address a lot of "issues" since I am a mage and an elf. I started out romancing Blackwall and was too freaked out that after 2 conversations, his decisions were "because of you, my lady". So I broke it off.  The chess scene does mention "spending more time" together, so perhaps it's happening behind the scenes for lack of a better expression. 

 

I've been wanting to romance Cullen since DAO: my mage spoke to him after the Harrowing (or before) and I could tell that he was into her. He ran and I chased him down just to see what would happen. He disappeared behind a wall at some point. 

 

And he reminds me of Jai Courtney.    (this is whom I picture him looking like). I`m sure I`m not the only one who thinks so

[wiccame]

Getting Solas' approval is easy? He and my Lavellan argue about everything! Both my elf companions don't like my elf quizzy lol  She's too elfy & magic (icky!) for Sera, and apparently being proud of being Dalish makes her foolish in Solas' opinion.  Funny thing is, I always intended my elf for Solas, but Sera made me laugh so hard during my first play through, I was going to romance her - but decided to give her a nice qunari girl.  Cullen's story caught my attention, I'm a sucker for a fixer-upper lol.

I suppose it helps when you agree with most of what he says. Though some of my elves did get a bit narked with him when he started insulting the dalish. I had one elf that kept walking away during conversations with him because he just kept digging at the dalish then got shirty and suggested I talked to Sera. 

[Tishina]

Because I'm a terrible person to bridge the gap between Cullenites and Solassians, I made another fan video... this time dedicated to Cullen and Solas (from my polyamory bug).  Enjoy

 

I love that! I wish I'd known that could happen before I had that first kiss scene with Solas; I'd have tested whether it was a repeatable bug. For science!

[Sifr]

 

I think Inquisition's weakness is the lack of tie-ins to all the zones. I think it has a really strong story, but it's just way too short. Instead of getting to Skyhold and having ten zones open up, it would be nice to have a reason to go to those zones, like "you have to meet the Warden" and that's how you get to Crestwood. Instead it's just that yeah, the Empress is having a party and there's also weird stuff going on with the Wardens and suddenly there's suspicious activity in the Western Approach that desperately needs investigation!!!! What? Why do I care about unexplained suspicious activity if there's an assassination plot and blood magic going on?

 

Yeah, the tie-ins for some of the regions were a tad weak.

 

The Western Approach at least had the whole build up to the Siege of Adamant, Crestwood was good because you had both the dynamic nature of the environment and were there to track down the Warden, while the Hinterlands was pretty much given a ton of plot as it was the first real place you spend the game in and is important if you want to side with the Mages or go to Redcliffe. Emprise du Lion was only really important to the Red Lyrium storyline but didn't have much else, while the Oasis was only good for the shards to get into the Temple, but lacked much else to hold interest?

 

Everywhere else seemed so... inconsequential to anything?

 

The Emerald Graves were great but didn't have much in the way of any bearing on anything, in the Exalted Plains, until the Inquisitor tells them (and if you even bother to do so), neither side is either aware that the Civil War might have actually ended and the Hissing Wastes seemed more like they were setting up hints for future DLC or the next games than anything else? Then you had the Storm Coast and the Fallow Mire, which have zero reason to visit (except for recruiting Bull) or revisit once you've completed them.

[MelissaGT]

*snip*

 

The Emerald Graves were great but didn't have much in the way of any bearing on anything, in the Exalted Plains, until the Inquisitor tells them (and if you even bother to do so), neither side is either aware that the Civil War might have actually ended and the Hissing Wastes seemed more like they were setting up hints for future DLC or the next games than anything else? Then you had the Storm Coast and the Fallow Mire, which have zero reason to visit (except for recruiting Bull) or revisit once you've completed them.

 

You get a quest in the Fallow Mire to rescue soldiers. You're forced to trek through pretty much the whole place to get there.

 

Emprise du Lion and Emerald Graves seem to be pretty plot-heavy as well, at least for Cullen's Before the Dawn quest line. 

[kalasaurus]

I love that! I wish I'd known that could happen before I had that first kiss scene with Solas; I'd have tested whether it was a repeatable bug. For science!

Thank you .  If I make another Lavellan, I may test it again.  I imagine there are a few ways to headcanon it so it feels less like a bug

[Sifr]

You get a quest in the Fallow Mire to rescue soldiers. You're forced to trek through pretty much the whole place to get there.

 

Emprise du Lion and Emerald Graves seem to be pretty plot-heavy as well, at least for Cullen's Before the Dawn quest line. 

 

Yeah, the Fallow Mire is only really worth it for rescuing soldiers and getting that funny scene of Morvan throwing the goat at Skyhold.

 

Was it just me, or did anyone else wish that there was more of a Dalish presence in the Emerald Graves and Exalted Plains? It was a shame that the clan we saw was pretty small compared to Marethari and Zathrian's, even though most of them were just NPC's walking around?

[CuriousArtemis]

But I love the British snark! I can't quite put my finger on what it was I disliked so much about Hawke...she just seemed cold to me.  Her responses always seemed heartless. But would be interesting to see if the opinion differed across British versus non-British players.  An interesting idea...although I don't buy it is because we aren't uncomfortable with "everyman" tales. 

 

I loved Hawke and found him very warm, especially with the diplomatic personality, but also sometimes with the snarky personality. And I am American. So I think this emphasis on nationality is pointless.

[CuriousArtemis]

This is where I think Hawke seems more American than the other protags (granted our Warden literally has no voice, lol). As Americans, we sorta get lumped into the "brash/loud/rude" stereotype. I'll admit...I can be brash...and loud...and rude. And you can totally play Hawke that way.  

 

On the opposite end of the spectrum, I generally see British characters as more soft-spoken and polite. I guess that's because my exposure to British programming is BBC America and primarily Top Gear. Don't get me wrong, I'm a BIG fan of dry humor (and dry hard cider!). The guys on Top Gear sound very polite, even when they're being witty and making fun of each other/everybody/everything. Which is precisely why I almost pee myself every time I watch the show. You can also play Hawke this way.

 

But all this is clearly why I don't think we can call any of these protags "American" or "British." Because we all see them differently...and this sort of discussion can easily go to bad places if we aren't careful. Stereotypes are nasty things.

 

Both your examples of Americans and British persons are based on stereotype So I agree that the discussion can go to a bad place and we should avoid going there (and we're probably talking about something completely different now since I'm late in responding lol)

[SheWildWolf]

 

Grrr.

 

Trying to catch up here after not reading since last night. No sooner do I get to the bottom of the page, with just one more page to go, and up pops another! Stop it!!

[CuriousArtemis]

Weirdly, even if The Warden was also the boss of the band of misfits, I can feel much better the "friendship arcs" building. Lots of convo with everyone. Tons of long convo... And maybe the size matters, we were the Warden, leader of max 10 people. Much more intimacy.

 

In the Inquisition, I just feel that my Inky's quite lonely...

 

Yeah, same. Alistair was my friend. We both just happened to be Wardens, the last Wardens at that. And he didn't want to be the leader, so I resignedly stepped up. Morrigan became my friend. Wynne became my surrogate mother. Zevran was my lover. These were my family! 

 

I get NONE of that from DAI. I felt close to no one. But perhaps that is what they were going for. Many times they emphasized how much choice the player would be given and how the player character was the head of the inquisition and an important person who would be making key decisions. 

 

I had a vague sense that I wouldn't like the inquisitor and was kind of right; Hawke just spoiled me. Shepard, too. Even the Warden to some extent. Their stories were so contained, so personal. 

[CuriousArtemis]

This is why I was so upset that Janeway got nobody when everybody else was hooking up in "Voyager." She got the holodeck guy... 

 

Well she, like Tuvok, was married, and I think even after seven years the thought of being with another person was hard.

[CuriousArtemis]

I actually am a little mind-boggled by how chill he is with romancing a non-Andrastrian Creator-worshipping Dalish elf. 

 

It's cause they made him all "perfect boyfriend"  I feel sick saying this, but I think I've come to the conclusion that Cullen is basically fanservice in DAI, and it really breaks my heart. So much potential wasted... such a shadow of a formerly amazing, rich, and complex character.