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[R2s Muse]

The point of the "Fade" segment was not that the Inquisitor shouldn't realize they're there, though. You're aware the whole time that what you're seeing is a dream, Envy even tells you as much, because his game is not convincing you that the visions are true - what he's trying to do is to use these memories and fears it finds running around in your head you to get a response from you. It's a feint, the demon shows you these absurd scenarios mixed with real memories to get a reaction from you -any reaction will do- so the more upset/amused/annoyed you get, the more it discovers about who you are so it can mimic you more accurately.

 

That's why when you find Cole, he will keep telling you to not respond, don't talk back, don't fight the demons back, just keep running, ignore everything and don't give Envy the satisfaction of acknowledging his taunts. He's helping you shut your mind spaces down so Envy starts running out of run to prod and poke around and has to "materialize" in the poor image he's managed to make out of you with the glimpses he caught, and that shape is weak enough that you can fight back to pretty much slap yourself awake.

 

You're not suppose to believe any of it is real -you know it's not. - the point is more that you know yourself all along better than Envy ever will. 

I'm with Blauwvis on it just not being creepy for me. And, that has nothing to do with whether my character found it believable or not. It's that I didn't find Cullen as the demon affecting, because I was just talking to a demon. Didn't matter what the demon looked like. I think that's where their original idea of you not knowing at first you were out of the dream state would have been a bit more interesting. Because then every character wouldn't have telegraphed so strongly they weren't real. 

[Inanna Athanasia]

Oh I agree with the time passed and so forth and all of their history that it would be realistic that he not still be hung up on her some, I just found it surprising that a small part of me was a bit disappointed,lol

[R2s Muse]

Yep, you can find him on the battlements in Skyhold before Adamant Do Wicked Hearts before heading for Adamant for interesting interactions with Morrigan

I do everything "correctly" to get this yet I have never seen it fire... 

I didn't get it either. My new potential theory is that I blew it by doing Crestwood before Wicked Hearts. So altho I have Alistair and Morrigan on premises, neither will speak to the other. I wonder if it's only triggered upon finishing Crestwood and returning to Skyhold. Perhaps it replaces the initial meeting Kierin convo with Morrigan...?

[R2s Muse]

Oh I agree with the time passed and so forth and all of their history that it would be realistic that he not still be hung up on her some, I just found it surprising that a small part of me was a bit disappointed,lol

Well, at least he mentions her! Did you get those conversations?

I don't have an Amell import so I didn't. And I'm good with that, for all the reasons mentioned. I personally prefer that there's room for folks to headcanon what they like, since opinions on his feelings for the Warden, after all this time, are all over the board.

What was it ninetozero called DA:I yesterday? Dragon Age: Headcanons?? LOL

[riverbanks]

I'm with Blauwvis on it just not being creepy for me. And, that has nothing to do with whether my character found it believable or not. It's that I didn't find Cullen as the demon affecting, because I was just talking to a demon. Didn't matter what the demon looked like. I think that's where their original idea of you not knowing at first you were out of the dream state would have been a bit more interesting. Because then every character wouldn't have telegraphed so strongly they weren't real. 

 

Yeah but that's my point - you were never supposed to think it was real. Envy's not trying to make you believe you're actually talking to the advisors, he's using their image to rile you up and get a reaction from you, even if that's an annoyed "yeah yeah you're a demon I get it" reaction. He still finds something out about your personality in that reaction that he can use to copy your image. The concept of the quest is not a creepy nightmare teetering between dream and realityso you don't know what's real or not, it's an open feint between you and the demon until one or the other shows enough weakness to be kicked out - a demonic version of the grand game inside your head, if you will.

[riverbanks]

What was it ninetozero called DA:I yesterday? Dragon Age: Headcanons?? LOL

 

I'm tempted to make stickers of that and paste them on top of every DAI box I see on stores now.

[Sephirona]

Oh I agree with the time passed and so forth and all of their history that it would be realistic that he not still be hung up on her some, I just found it surprising that a small part of me was a bit disappointed,lol

 

Yeah don't worry, I wasn't disappointed with the way it was handled per se but I can understand how you might feel that way. While Cullen admits to it being a youthful infatuation he only claims it was inappropriate when he's fresh out of his torture sessions in Kinloch, and in Inquisition I really don't get the vibe that he thought it was wrong to like her - only that it would have been inappropriate to act on his feelings. So if you'd like to headcanon that they get together in a playthrough, go all out!

[blauwvis]

I'm with Blauwvis on it just not being creepy for me. And, that has nothing to do with whether my character found it believable or not. It's that I didn't find Cullen as the demon affecting, because I was just talking to a demon. Didn't matter what the demon looked like. I think that's where their original idea of you not knowing at first you were out of the dream state would have been a bit more interesting. Because then every character wouldn't have telegraphed so strongly they weren't real.

Yes, thank you, that's the point I was trying (and apparently failing) to make.
 

Yeah but that's my point - you were never supposed to think it was real. Envy's not trying to make you believe you're actually talking to the advisors, he's using their image to rile you up and get a reaction from you, even if that's an annoyed "yeah yeah you're a demon I get it" reaction. He still finds something out about your personality in that reaction that he can use to copy your image. The concept of the quest is not a creepy nightmare teetering between dream and realityso you don't know what's real or not, it's an open feint between you and the demon until one or the other shows enough weakness to be kicked out - a demonic version of the grand game inside your head, if you will.

I also completely understand this -- I just think the earlier concept would have been more interesting for me, personally. My expectations going into it had almost certainly been shaped by what I'd already heard. That's unfortunate, as generally I try to take these things as they're presented and not as I might expect or hope them to be. (This is why I don't follow the development of any game I'm interested in.) But after reading so many times about how other people found it "creepy" or "unsettling," I was disappointed to not find it that way at all. I had no response, really.

That's all I'm saying. Expected creepy, got nothing.

[kalasaurus]

The measure of intimacy that Envy takes with the Quizzy in his/her mind is what disturbed me the most, mainly.  I can handle spooky demons just fine but when they get into your head and say stuff like "Tell me what you feel" / "I touched so much of you"...

[alwayshungry]

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[Asperath]

Cullen by the Breach... hmm...

 

http://thecannibalfa...-Rift-502130617

 

 

I love this pic! but Cullen kinda looks a little crazy in the eyes here - like super mad or obsessed about soemthing, maybe it's just me *shrug*

[R2s Muse]

Yeah but that's my point - you were never supposed to think it was real. Envy's not trying to make you believe you're actually talking to the advisors, he's using their image to rile you up and get a reaction from you, even if that's an annoyed "yeah yeah you're a demon I get it" reaction. He still finds something out about your personality in that reaction that he can use to copy your image. The concept of the quest is not a creepy nightmare teetering between dream and realityso you don't know what's real or not, it's an open feint between you and the demon until one or the other shows enough weakness to be kicked out - a demonic version of the grand game inside your head, if you will.

LOL OK but my point remains that I don't find it creepy or annoying. As apparently others seem to. :shrug:

[kalasaurus]

I love this pic! but Cullen kinda looks a little crazy in the eyes here - like super mad or obsessed about soemthing, maybe it's just me *shrug*

Yeah he does

[SheWildWolf]

I didn't get it either. My new potential theory is that I blew it by doing Crestwood before Wicked Hearts. So altho I have Alistair and Morrigan on premises, neither will speak to the other. I wonder if it's only triggered upon finishing Crestwood and returning to Skyhold. Perhaps it replaces the initial meeting Kierin convo with Morrigan...?

 

I've searched youtube for vids on this since I could never get it to fire properly either. The only thing I was able to find was an audio clip of Al and Morri talking, IF the HoF was a male and had a romance/child with Morri. Al asks her about the child, if 'he' has met him, does she know where 'he' is, etc. 

[QweenBeen]

I decided to do something "productive" with my insomnia and created another Cullen fan video. This time showing a budding romance between Cullen and Lavellan in the aftermath of his personal quest, Perseverance.

That was lovely thank you, you just made my morning commute stuck in traffic VERY pleasant

[kalasaurus]

That was lovely thank you, you just made my morning commute stuck in traffic VERY pleasant

Thank you.  I'm glad you enjoyed it  I may tweak it a bit later, but I really wanted to put something like this together to show their relationship developing.

[QweenBeen]

I love this pic! but Cullen kinda looks a little crazy in the eyes here - like super mad or obsessed about soemthing, maybe it's just me *shrug*

Yeah agree but it's intense. This is our commander with a deep dark intensity that gets the job done. Me like

[LolaLei]

What I find interesting is that in DA:O it was a human AmellXCullen that seemed to be the most popular protagonist ship for him, but in DAI it's an Elven LavellanXCullen, lol. 

[Asperath]

What I find interesting is that in DA:O it was a human AmellXCullen that seemed to be the most popular protagonist ship for him, but in DAI it's an Elven LavellanXCullen, lol. 

 

I've wondered about this a bit because most of the fan art seems to be of LavellanXCullen but I think it's Tishna who pointed out that at the time most SS were of TrevXCullen... I think now-a-days it does seem to trend LavellanXCullen or maybe that just more people who played/ing an elf are posting their pics?

 

I know I feel a minority sometimes, Trevelyan non-mage romance Cullen but each to their own. I have a mage TrevXCullen in the works atm

[Scintillla]

He's definitely my favourite romance... well, I say that but Cullen and Alistair come joint first in terms of personality and swoony worthyness etc but DA:O implemented Alistair's romance better than Cullen's because he got more screentime and dialogue etc than Cullen did, plus he was a companion so he was with us the entire time.

 

I like the fact that Cullen is not a companion, although I didn't feel that way initially. The banter was just embarassing: Morrigan was always teasing Alistair. It was funny, but it's refreshing that someone other than a companion can be a LI. Now, they can perhaps work towards having a villager, or a soldier be a LI. Yeah, there's Harding, but...it's sorta imcomplete. 

[SpiritMuse]

I like the fact that Cullen is not a companion, although I didn't feel that way initially. The banter was just embarassing: Morrigan was always teasing Alistair. It was funny, but it's refreshing that someone other than a companion can be a LI. Now, they can perhaps work towards having a villager, or a soldier be a LI. Yeah, there's Harding, but...it's sorta imcomplete.

Oh that's an interesting idea. To have some non-special, ordinary villager be a LI.

[blauwvis]

I've wondered about this a bit because most of the fan art seems to be of LavellanXCullen but I think it's Tishna who pointed out that at the time most SS were of TrevXCullen... I think now-a-days it does seem to trend LavellanXCullen or maybe that just more people who played/ing an elf are posting their pics?

Perhaps people who can draw tend to play elves? (I'm not entirely serious... yet I wonder what a survey of fan art would reveal with regard to the frequency with which various races, genders and pairings are represented.)

If I could sketch worth a d*mn, I'd be pouring out TrevXCullen art.

[R2s Muse]

I've searched youtube for vids on this since I could never get it to fire properly either. The only thing I was able to find was an audio clip of Al and Morri talking, IF the HoF was a male and had a romance/child with Morri. Al asks her about the child, if 'he' has met him, does she know where 'he' is, etc.

I've heard of people getting it in game. There's also a version where Kieran is just human and son of an ultimate sacrifice warden. Sounds like it's just buggy.

[Ryriena]

Amell x Cullen seems really popular for some reason other than that I can see why it a popular ship for Cullen. Though an crush is not truly love. And it ended before it began anyway but I am thinking about a story about my warden's life in the tower before she became the hero of the fifth blight and later the Warden Comander.

It's a Anders x Amell storywise because hey he's awesome like that lol. But one-sided Cullen x Amell since my Amell doesn't realize the Templar has a crush on her. Although, Jowan and Anders do notice these things and Anders get very defensive of Amell due to his dislike of Templars and this happens in the story I have cooking

[Asperath]

Perhaps people who can draw tend to play elves? (I'm not entirely serious... yet I wonder what a survey of fan art would reveal with regard to the frequency with which various races, genders and pairings are represented.)

If I could sketch worth a d*mn, I'd be pouring out TrevXCullen art.

 

Exactly! If I could draw that's what it would be!

 

Any Cullen art is good imho, it's not how I ship him but I still intend to enjoy all the good art