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[Laurelinde]

I will freaking rage so badly if characters get killed off for literally no reason but getting a reaction out of all us. Lola posted a great post a while back on how she felt they used the Alistair and Hawke scene to simply make the player feel horrible. There should always be a reason for a character's death or troubled time, ugh I just hate it when people kill characters off for an emotional reaction and leave little to no closure.

 

Ditto.  That is exactly how Mama Hawke's death felt to me in DA2, just overkill for emotional manipulation.  I get that stories are supposed to make us feel things, but...bleh.  

 

But I've just ranted about that over in the 'DAI isn't dark and gritty enough' thread so I will stop ranting and go eat and try to do something less angry-old-womanish with the rest of my evening!

[R2s Muse]

Technically, the Litany of Adralla only stops mental manipulation, only when such magic is being cast.

Um, yeah, but that's immaterial. The fact that the Lord Seeker had to use the Litany to protect against some of the effects of blood magic, namely the mind control from blood mages, suggests that he did not have any natural immunity.

[Ryriena]

I will freaking rage so badly if characters get killed off for literally no reason but getting a reaction out of all us. Lola posted a great post a while back on how she felt they used the Alistair and Hawke scene to simply make the player feel horrible. There should always be a reason for a character's death or troubled time, ugh I just hate it when people kill characters off for an emotional reaction and leave little to no closure.

I will rage as well since I had already hated having that hawke choice in the game, since none of my charcters would kill themselves like that.

[kalasaurus]

I will freaking rage so badly if characters get killed off for literally no reason but getting a reaction out of all us. Lola posted a great post a while back on how she felt they used the Alistair and Hawke scene to simply make the player feel horrible. There should always be a reason for a character's death or troubled time, ugh I just hate it when people kill characters off for an emotional reaction and leave little to no closure.

The Hawke vs. Alistair/Stroud/Loghain choice was so contrived, IMO.  All three could have easily made a run for it (like, with the other three companions)- in the time spent deciding who's going to play whack-a-spider/saying goodbyes.

[Scintillla]

I will freaking rage so badly if characters get killed off for literally no reason but getting a reaction out of all us. Lola posted a great post a while back on how she felt they used the Alistair and

Hawke scene to simply make the player feel horrible. There should always be a reason for a character's death or troubled time, ugh I just hate it when people kill characters off for an emotional reaction and leave little to no closure.

 

Right? I did leave Hawke behind the end after exploring the alternative. It made sense for my PT and I didn`t have Alistair. Now, hopefully, it`s not the end of Hawke...but yeah, just to make people feel horrible...Then again, without the emotional responses, would we enjoy the game as much? I did ponder for a few minutes about what I should do, sweat, lip-chewing and all. It sucks that they do it, but otherwise the game would be meh imo.

[Thane4Ever]

Right? I did leave Hawke behind the end after exploring the alternative. It made sense for my PT and I didn`t have Alistair. Now, hopefully, it`s not the end of Hawke...but yeah, just to make people feel horrible...Then again, without the emotional responses, would we enjoy the game as much? I did ponder for a few minutes about what I should do, sweat, lip-chewing and all. It sucks that they do it, but otherwise the game would be meh imo.

I don't recall any such emotional manipulation in DAO, I guess except for the landsmeet - and if you're not careful Alistair can be executed.  But it's not the same as the lame "choose one or the other for no good reason" thing like with Hawke or Alistair/Stroud/Loghain.  I'm not even sure how I'll feel if we find out that whoever got left behind survived.

[Cerulione]

Huh. My initial reaction was identical to kalalala's: he'd love his child regardless, but things would probably be easier if the child's mother was also a mage. The end.

But Cerulione has me thinking: there's rather a lot more to it than that, isn't there? What will the Circles look like in ten or fifteen years' time? That would have a tremendous impact on the experiences of an IQ/Cullen/mage kid family.

I approach it immediately from the POV of my canon mage Trevelyan; she didn't have any particular grudge against the Circle (it helped that, like Vivienne, she was privileged) and would not have an issue sending her child there. But what if the IQ was Dalish? I'm not sure whether Cullen would really be on board with attempting to hide his child's abilities.

 

Hmm... IMO, in my own world states I always help the mage & ally them, they finish up making the College of Enchanter with Leliana backing them up IIRC. So it's likely to be more free than most Circles before Rebellion. And even in Mage Trevelyan PT I got the option to tell Josie that I see my families often & can go home in the week end or things like that. It's kinda like a boarding school.

 

I don't say Cullen won't love his mage kids, it's just that I feel he would want to "do the right thing" in the name of love. There's this side of him I really feel.

 

My Dalish Inquisitor won't agree sending one of her kids to the Circle tho... We've stories of families like the Hawke who managed well despite everything.

 

That's what we thought as well. Although we also thought that he would be even more protective of them when compared to a child without any magical talents. Ti also thought that he would be pretty much be reminding the child or children of their gift's danger. Then I was like my mage would probably just be facepalming in the background since she would find it cute, but she would be just as protective as he was and she could actually teach that child or their children to master their gifts.

 

I know my mage would have an awkward laugh and be like. "Yeah...no." She loved to study and the Circle System in general, but she did have a good experience with those around her; plus she did not love the feeling of being constantly watched and judged. So I think my mage would probably be against sending their child or children to the Circle, unless she and Cullen could constantly check up on them and know that Circle is top of the line.

 

I can imagine Cullen wanting to send the mage kid to a Circle/anything like that in the reasoning that it's for the kid's best, for him/her learning to harness their power properly etc. Cullen was a Templar, he must've seen many hedge mage/apostates doing bad things unintentionally because they never learn to master their power properly, or because they're afraid etc.

 

Imagine a non-mage Inquisitor? There's magic in Trevelyan bloodline. And a non-mage Lavellan can also get mage kids.

[R2s Muse]

But Cerulione has me thinking: there's rather a lot more to it than that, isn't there? What will the Circles look like in ten or fifteen years' time? That would have a tremendous impact on the experiences of an IQ/Cullen/mage kid family.

I approach it immediately from the POV of my canon mage Trevelyan; she didn't have any particular grudge against the Circle (it helped that, like Vivienne, she was privileged) and would not have an issue sending her child there. But what if the IQ was Dalish? I'm not sure whether Cullen would really be on board with attempting to hide his child's abilities.

This is a very good point since there are technically still no Circles at the end of DA:I. I think a good indicator of what he would do is in his responses to how he would remake the Circle system. That there still needs to be protections, but not via prisons like the Circles. I guess I'd expect him to seek out whatever proper training was available. If he disagreed with whatever replaces the Circles... I could see him taking matters into his own hands. He's no longer dutybound as he once was. 

[alwayshungry]

http://pissedchan.tu...eres-the-cullen

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I will rage as well since I had already hated having that hawke choice in the game, since none of my charcters would kill themselves like that.

My Warden I can see searching for the Cure, but she would certainly be with Alistair more so than hunting that cure. So I can relent when it comes to what Bioware is doing to the Warden, but my Hawke would not have been anywhere near those GWs. She never cared for them and she would be more concerned with moving on with Anders.

 

The Hawke vs. Alistair/Stroud/Loghain choice was so contrived, IMO.  All three could have easily made a run for it (like, with the other three companions)- in the time spent deciding who's going to play whack-a-spider/saying goodbyes.

Yep, that's exactly how I felt. I was angry because I have dealt with so much Alistair crap from him sacrificing himself to dumping my warden, and then finally marrying my canon one and living as happy as possible. So when that decision came I nearly threw my controller. 

Right? I did leave Hawke behind the end after exploring the alternative. It made sense for my PT and I didn`t have Alistair. Now, hopefully, it`s not the end of Hawke...but yeah, just to make people feel horrible...Then again, without the emotional responses, would we enjoy the game as much? I did ponder for a few minutes about what I should do, sweat, lip-chewing and all. It sucks that they do it, but otherwise the game would be meh imo.

As long as the scene makes sense and has closure then I am all for scenes like that, but I honestly do not think that scene produced for any other reason other than making us feel horrible.

[Cerulione]

This is a very good point since there are technically still no Circles at the end of DA:I. I think a good indicator of what he would do is in his responses to how he would remake the Circle system. That there still needs to be protections, but not via prisons like the Circles. I guess I'd expect him to seek out whatever proper training was available. If he disagreed with whatever replaces the Circles... I could see him taking matters into his own hands. He's no longer dutybound as he once was. 

 

Cullen did mention to make a new system which is jailor/prisoner type like back in the Circle right? IIRC he proposed making healer's clinic, or something similar.

[MelissaGT]

I don't recall any such emotional manipulation in DAO, I guess except for the landsmeet - and if you're not careful Alistair can be executed.  But it's not the same as the lame "choose one or the other for no good reason" thing like with Hawke or Alistair/Stroud/Loghain.  I'm not even sure how I'll feel if we find out that whoever got left behind survived.

 

Having Ali sleep with Mori vs US ending is pretty emotional...and manipulating on her part. 

[Cerulione]

My Warden I can see searching for the Cure, but she would certainly be with Alistair more so than hunting that cure. So I can relent when it comes to what Bioware is doing to the Warden, but my Hawke would not have been anywhere near those GWs. She never cared for them and she would be more concerned with moving on with Anders.

 

Yep, that's exactly how I felt. I was angry because I have dealt with so much Alistair crap from him sacrificing himself to dumping my warden, and then finally marrying my canon one and living as happy as possible. So when that decision came I nearly threw my controller. 

 

As long as the scene makes sense and has closure then I am all for scenes like that, but I honestly do not think that scene produced for any other reason other than making us feel horrible.

 

I really hope they won't make it just to have fan tears.... But if they make it I'll still play it TBH...

[LolaLei]

My Warden I can see searching for the Cure, but she would certainly be with Alistair more so than hunting that cure. So I can relent when it comes to what Bioware is doing to the Warden, but my Hawke would not have been anywhere near those GWs. She never cared for them and she would be more concerned with moving on with Anders.

 

Yep, that's exactly how I felt. I was angry because I have dealt with so much Alistair crap from him sacrificing himself to dumping my warden, and then finally marrying my canon one and living as happy as possible. So when that decision came I nearly threw my controller. 

As long as the scene makes sense and has closure then I am all for scenes like that, but I honestly do not think that scene produced for any other reason other than making us feel horrible.

 

Hated it, hated it, hated it, hated it!!!

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Hmm... IMO, in my own world states I always help the mage & ally them, they finish up making the College of Enchanter with Leliana backing them up IIRC. So it's likely to be more free than most Circles before Rebellion. And even in Mage Trevelyan PT I got the option to tell Josie that I see my families often & can go home in the week end or things like that. It's kinda like a boarding school.

 

I don't say Cullen won't love his mage kids, it's just that I feel he would want to "do the right thing" in the name of love. There's this side of him I really feel.

 

My Dalish Inquisitor won't agree sending one of her kids to the Circle tho... We've stories of families like the Hawke who managed well despite everything.

 

 

I can imagine Cullen wanting to send the mage kid to a Circle/anything like that in the reasoning that it's for the kid's best, for him/her learning to harness their power properly etc. Cullen was a Templar, he must've seen many hedge mage/apostates doing bad things unintentionally because they never learn to master their power properly, or because they're afraid etc.

 

Imagine a non-mage Inquisitor? There's magic in Trevelyan bloodline. And a non-mage Lavellan can also get mage kids.

Yeah I can totally see him wanting to send a mage-blooded child to the Circle if the IQ wasn't a mage, but I think he would look at it in a much more grey light if the IQ was an accomplished mage. Eh it's all fun to imagine though!

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Ditto.  That is exactly how Mama Hawke's death felt to me in DA2, just overkill for emotional manipulation.  I get that stories are supposed to make us feel things, but...bleh.  
 
But I've just ranted about that over in the 'DAI isn't dark and gritty enough' thread so I will stop ranting and go eat and try to do something less angry-old-womanish with the rest of my evening!

Wasn't the option to save her removed cos the testers always chose it? a dumb decision IMO to make things depressing for little reason

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Having Ali sleep with Mori vs US ending is pretty emotional...and manipulating on her part. 

Don't even get me started on that. That decision had to have been one of the worst/amazing decisions in any Bioware game, at least for me. Considering my one Warden hated Morrigan and was like..."Yeah...you see the door, get the **** out." That same Warden was the one who traumatized me with Alistair's death, lol!

 

Hated it, hated it, hated it, hated it!!!

Seconded!

[Scintillla]

I don't recall any such emotional manipulation in DAO, I guess except for the landsmeet - and if you're not careful Alistair can be executed.  But it's not the same as the lame "choose one or the other for no good reason" thing like with Hawke or Alistair/Stroud/Loghain.  I'm not even sure how I'll feel if we find out that whoever got left behind survived.

 

I honestly wouldn't be surprised. Throw an abomination while they are at it and then make another choice of some sort...

 

This is a very good point since there are technically still no Circles at the end of DA:I. I think a good indicator of what he would do is in his responses to how he would remake the Circle system. That there still needs to be protections, but not via prisons like the Circles. I guess I'd expect him to seek out whatever proper training was available. If he disagreed with whatever replaces the Circles... I could see him taking matters into his own hands. He's no longer dutybound as he once was. 

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but he does have a conco with the Quizzy about what he would be doing differently if they were to establish a Circle like institution. Perhaps it`s an indication of what they may have in line for his character. 

[Annarl]

The Hawke vs. Alistair/Stroud/Loghain choice was so contrived, IMO.  All three could have easily made a run for it (like, with the other three companions)- in the time spent deciding who's going to play whack-a-spider/saying goodbyes.

Yeah one of the few parts I really hated.  That scene made no sense.

[Scintillla]

Having Ali sleep with Mori vs US ending is pretty emotional...and manipulating on her part. 

 

That was sucky. I skipped the scene. That`s A LOT of sacrifice for the poor Warden

[Thane4Ever]

Having Ali sleep with Mori vs US ending is pretty emotional...and manipulating on her part. 

Ah yes, that's really true.  Dang it Bioware!  It's like Kaiden vs. Ashley.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Having Ali sleep with Mori vs US ending is pretty emotional...and manipulating on her part.

I still find it annoying that so many Li's for women have bad situations like that even DA:I has it with Blackwall leaving after sex or getting dumped by Solas

[Scintillla]

Ah yes, that's really true.  Dang it Bioware!  It's like Kaiden vs. Ashley.

 

Honestly, that was an easy choice for me. 

 

I really wonder what the DLC is gonna be about. 

[Cerulione]

Yeah I can totally see him wanting to send a mage-blooded child to the Circle if the IQ wasn't a mage, but I think he would look at it in a much more grey light if the IQ was an accomplished mage. Eh it's all fun to imagine though!

 

If the Inquisitor isn't a mage, it might be not a good idea to keep him/her at home at all cost, not letting her power harnessed properly. Remember Chateau Onterre...

 

If she's a mage, that's another story. I'm rooting for a solution like Papa Hawke. But it also depend if the New Circle/College of Enchanter's offering better possibility.

 

Why not a school of magic, where it's properly a school (boarding school maybe) but not a prison. Kids go home every other day, for holidays etc. Then at their 18 years old they go to the world & do what they want, having finishing their mandatory training... Okay I'm thinking Hogwarts but can't we have this? A University, College, School, whatever, but not prison.

[Annarl]

So, kinda on-topic...look what I got in the mail today:

 

 

So far tried one - "Cullen Rutherford" - and it's really tasty! *teehee* 

 

They can be found here.

 

*edit* Wow, not bad for a cell phone pic!

I love my tea. I drink way to much of it.  So I will have to try some.