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[Thane4Ever]

Which sacrifice is this? And ditto on the Giselle thing. >.>

At Haven - the avalanche.  The other thing about this - on my first PT I romanced Blackwall and we were already flirting a lot at this point in the game, really? He's not going to come check on me or give me one line? You don't even see your companions at the camp except Solas.  Blackwall says stuff about it after "Corypheus made this personal when he came after you" but still.

 

I'm sure it's like Cerlione said - a word budget issue. Giselle doesn't have as many lines.

[R2s Muse]

yeah, I definitely think this should have led to a break up scene with Cullen. I just can't see him staying with someone who'd make a deal with demons, even if I really wanted all those virgins.

LOL I finally chose all those options this time for science, with a generous amount of reloading of course. Ah, the Imshael quest could have been so awesome. 

[Cerulione]

 

I'll second that, please do it. And if possible, please PM me the link once the story is done/uploaded. I rarely visit this thread and I'll hate to miss such a story if it gets written.

 

 

Okay sure! I'll put it on forum & PM you, just hope that I'll finish it before you change name. I'll still find you if you change name to Brontosaurus or something like that though

 

Gosh, this is gonna be interesting... But might need some time since I'll have to "create" a new headcannon for a new character, I won't be using my canon Luthiel's for this one. She's dead with one non-mage daughter.

 

Oh Cerlione - I think he wouldn't be able to cut her down.  Maybe he would have someone else do it?

 

Awww... I hope not, not in my headcannon at least. It's just that... Offering someone else to do that is one thing, asking is another. Remember Cassandra & Daniel? Aveline & Wesley? She's the one who has to do that. You can offer to do it for other like Hawke to Aveline, but personally it's a thing I would never ask other.

 

Now I want to read a fic with Dagna as a teacher at a Hogwarts type school. 

 

Also my 2c on the "what if I was possessed?" convo: I think he'd do it. I'd hope he would. 

 

Me too, I'd hope he'll be the one who do that. He's the only one my quizzy feels comfortable enough to ask such huge things.

[R2s Muse]

And if you take Imshael's deal you'd think Cullen of all people would've had a **** fit about it, but all you get is some war table banter about how it's a shame on the Inquisition. That's what's missing from this game, cause and effect. In DA2, if you took the deal with the demon Anders told me off, had a nasty little dig about how I should date Merrill if we're both into demons and then dumps your arse, in DA:O if you done something a companion didn't like they'd call you out on it. In DAI? Nothing.

Esp since they gave the impression, a priori, that your companions would be *hugely* reactive to your choices. Even if they weren't with you when you did it.

[timebean]

Coming into the convo late, but regarding Cullen/Quizzie mage child...

 

I think it depends on the world state, no?  If the College of Enchanters ended up in your epilogue slides, then I imagine sending their mage-child there WOULD be like sending them to boarding school.  Not to mention training with personal trainers (like the mage quizzy does) as an option and the fact that skyhold has its own mage tower (depending again on your choices).  Thus, depending on the world you have created as the Inquisator, your mage child should have way more opstions that most.

 

Thus, I find it hard to imagine this would be a major issue in the Cullen-Quizzie romance in and of itself.  However, i do think having a kid that has the tendency to not be able to control their magic..who might flunk out of training (ie, harrowing)...THAT could be super angsty!  OR a child with rare magical abilities because of the glowy hand thing and the fact that momma ran around in the fade??  That would make for a really cool fan fic (but one that needs to be written by someone with a MUCH better understanding of magic and the fade than I have!!). 

 

Just my two cents...

 

EDITED - just read nightscrawl's post on the previous page and he/she stated all this MUCH better than me! LOL!

[Teshayel]

Also: 

 

No conversations with any LI's if you drink from the well except for Solas (and you get that even without romancing him), but especially magic-leery Cullen - huge oversight IMO.

 

No conversations with anyone at the camp after they all thought you'd sacrificed yourself to save them except Solas.  I'll take a shorter convo with Mother Giselle instead.

 

Remember how Ali would yell at you if you sacrificed Isolde? I'd expect Cullen to react similarly if you decided to drink from the well... 

 

Edit: Or take Imshael's offer.

[LolaLei]

Esp since they gave the impression, a priori, that your companions would be *hugely* reactive to your choices. Even if they weren't with you when you did it. 

 

I remember them saying that too. They were supposed to call you out/ask about your motives/decisions regularly weren't they.

[timebean]

I remember them saying that too. They were supposed to call you out/ask about your motives/decisions regularly weren't they.

Yup...I believe it was the "Choice and Consequences" trailer that heavily implied this...

[Teshayel]

Yup...I believe it was the "Choice and Consequences" trailer that heavily implied this...

 

Welp... If I remember correctly, the hype about DA 2 was that you were going to craft your own tale as Hawke. That turned out as promised too

[timebean]

Seems appropriate...

 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Okay sure! I'll put it on forum & PM you, just hope that I'll finish it before you change name. I'll still find you if you change name to Brontosaurus or something like that though

 

Gosh, this is gonna be interesting... But might need some time since I'll have to "create" a new headcannon for a new character, I won't be using my canon Luthiel's for this one. She's dead with one non-mage daughter.

 

Don't worry, as long as you won't be taking years to write it you won't have to fear me changing names. 

 

Just make sure not to forget me, okay? ^^

 

Also, while I am not one to tell you how to write, but as others has pointed out, in order for this story concept to work certain endings are not an option. Leliana as divine is out of the question since she removes the circle of magi. I would suggest Vivienne since even if the rebel mages were saved, she will still crush their attempt to form an independant college of magi, meaning that your traditional circle is the only option.

[timebean]

Welp... If I remember correctly, the hype about DA 2 was that you were going to craft your own tale as Hawke. That turned out as promised too

True...I have to say as much as I really liked about the game (and there is alot ot like), the lack of consequences was a let down.  When explaining to others why DAI was going to be so much better than Skyrim, THAT is what I talked about (always!).  It seems like desisions in DAO and DA2 made more of an impact in DAI than the consequences WITHIN DAI...so maybe DA4, we'll see it all play out???

[LolaLei]

Yup...I believe it was the "Choice and Consequences" trailer that heavily implied this...

 

I wonder if it was ever even implemented? Perhaps they couldn't get it working correctly or something?

[Cerulione]

Don't worry, as long as you won't be taking years to write it you won't have to fear me changing names. 

 

Just make sure not to forget me, okay? ^^

 

Also, while I am not one to tell you how to write, but as others has pointed out, in order for this story concept to work certain endings are not an option. Leliana as divine is out of the question since she removes the circle of magi. I would suggest Vivienne since even if the rebel mages were saved, she will still crush their attempt to form an independant college of magi, meaning that your traditional circle is the only option.

 

Noted. As well as making a whole new worldstate & not the one I'm having with my canon Lavellan. Haha this is an interesting fic project

 

When we're there, boy or girl? I'm thinking of an archer Lavellan, the one's who's making the most sense actually. And a girl. But might be changed to boys. But well, I love the girl dynamic so maybe girl. Hmm...

 

And how can I forget your name, you're the second most majestic creature, seconded only by dragons (sorry, I'm in love with dragons ).

[Fawna]

I really think it's because of word budget. Cullen got a lot already due to main story, him being advisor. More than other characters. And he already get more scenes than other characters. As much as I want more, I understand the word budget won't allow it... sadly.
 
And they won't want to be too specific either IMO. In case.
 
About the aftermath Cullen vs Lyrium, I really hope for a DLC about Magic & the fade &

I believe with all the mods out there that spend there time adding new banters and stuff to the games they do it in there spare time. It wouldn't of cost them much for someone like that to do it. I mean don't about all legal stuff just know that almost all do it for the enjoyment of it making it more complete. Bioware forgets what a huge fan base it has I mean they would probably have people knocking down there doors and paying Bioware to help. just my thoughts with all the wonderful moders out there. Just my opinion.

 
that convo "if I get possessed".

[Narcia_]

Esp since they gave the impression, a priori, that your companions would be *hugely* reactive to your choices. Even if they weren't with you when you did it.

 

I think that was my biggest letdown of the game. I mean, in Origins, I felt like my choices actually meant something to other characters and definitely coloured the way the story played out. In this game, it just didn't seem to matter. Who's going to rule Orlais? Ah, whoever is fine. Mages or templars? Doesn't matter because the people who come to stay with you (Fiona or Barris) just stand around and don't have much of an opinion on things even if they're supposed to be your partners. At the risk of sounding crazy, I'd have happily waited another year for the game.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Noted. As well as making a whole new worldstate & not the one I'm having with my canon Lavellan. Haha this is an interesting fic project

 

When we're there, boy or girl? I'm thinking of an archer Lavellan, the one's who's making the most sense actually. And a girl. But might be changed to boys. But well, I love the girl dynamic so maybe girl. Hmm...

 

And how can I forget your name, you're the second most majestic creature, seconded only by dragons (sorry, I'm in love with dragons ).

 

I'm not sure if having the inquisitor being an archer would be good for the story. I think it would be far more suitable for a mage Lavellan to run away since they actually has the knowledge to safely raise their child alone. And also because I admit I am more biased towards and I favor magePC/Cullen.

 

Boy or girl child? that one is up to you.

[kalasaurus]

Noted. As well as making a whole new worldstate & not the one I'm having with my canon Lavellan. Haha this is an interesting fic project

 

When we're there, boy or girl? I'm thinking of an archer Lavellan, the one's who's making the most sense actually. And a girl. But might be changed to boys. But well, I love the girl dynamic so maybe girl. Hmm...

 

And how can I forget your name, you're the second most majestic creature, seconded only by dragons (sorry, I'm in love with dragons ).

Hm, an archer Lavellan might work.  I was thinking a mage Lavellan because she can actually train the child in magic, unless her clan accepts her back or is at least willing to help train her child.

 

I was thinking of a girl, too.  Have you seen the movie (or read the book for) Chocolat?  That was my inspiration for this headcanon- a free spirited mother who wanders from place to place with her daughter (like she did with her own mother).  I'm picturing this scene now, where she tells the story of her own mother and how she left her father:

 

[Cerulione]

I'm not sure if having the inquisitor being an archer would be good for the story. I think it would be far more suitable for a mage Lavellan to run away since they actually has the knowledge to safely raise their child alone. And also because I admit I am more biased towards and I favor magePC/Cullen.

 

Boy or girl child? that one is up to you.

 

Hmm, it's an interesting point. The thing is I can't imagine why Cullen want to send the kid elsewhere when Mom's there to teach her/him at home? It makes more sense with a Non-Mage Lavellan since neither Mom or Dad can be there to teach him/her how to control his/her power. I'll have to think about this... Hmmm...

[blauwvis]

I'm sure it's like Cerlione said - a word budget issue. Giselle doesn't have as many lines.

Pretty much, yes. Going to go a bit off-topic about word budgets, so I'll spoiler it to not distract from the current conversation.

Spoiler

It's very easy, as fans, to list off the hundred and one conversations that should have been included, but at the end of the day, they have a schedule and a budget, and these are fairly significant constraints!

I can't find it now, of course, but I swear DG commented at one time that you have to bear in mind that they're already cramming in as much word content as they can manage. If there's a conversation that you feel really, really ought to be in the game -- say, Cullen talking to the IQ after the Well of Sorrows -- which of his conversations would you cut or trim to make that happen? If it was a romance-specific conversation, what other romance conversation would you edit to make room for it?

But here's some more relevant information about how the sausage is made (so to speak), if anyone's interested:

http://www.makinggam...mbers,6845.html
http://dgaider.tumbl.../nuts-and-bolts ... ugh I will be so sad to see this disappear
http://forum.bioware...gets/?bioware=1

(Sorry for going off a bit with this... it's just a personal interest of mine, and something of a pet peeve as well. People tend to underestimate the importance of budgets. Even EA has its limits! Anyway, I find the nuts and bolds of games development fascinating. It's a shame I didn't realize that twenty years ago! )

[QweenBeen]

True...I have to say as much as I really liked about the game (and there is alot ot like), the lack of consequences was a let down. When explaining to others why DAI was going to be so much better than Skyrim, THAT is what I talked about (always!). It seems like desisions in DAO and DA2 made more of an impact in DAI than the consequences WITHIN DAI...so maybe DA4, we'll see it all play out???

Oh I love this topic! I don't know how much we did in DAO and DA2 really impacted DAI unless someone can think of an amazing instance. Consequence for me would be like I picked Bhelen as the ruler in orzammar and since he believes in more trade with surfacers, he would've been a plot point in DAI or we would've gone there. Picking Harrowmont would've gotten us nothing. Or Anora as ruler is godawful and that would've impacted the dynamic in Ferelden. Those are majar decisions that I would've liked to see consequences for. It feels a bit like ME3, I saved the krogan and some other stuff I can't remember atm but it came down to walking right, left or straight. And yes I know that parallel is brought up aaaaall the time

Edit: oh and I let redcliffe burn and they still have the griffon statue in their square in DAI?? That was not cool, I was hoping for something dramatic but even a simple thing like NOT having the statue there would've made a statement. Thought that was weird...

[riverbanks]

Hm, an archer Lavellan might work.  I was thinking a mage Lavellan because she can actually train the child in magic, unless her clan accepts her back or is at least willing to help train her child.

 

On the other hand, a non-mage Lavellan might be even more interesting for such a story, because she could be running back to her clan exactly because she doesn't know much about magic and can't train her child herself, but trusts that her Keeper will know how to handle a mage child better than the shems would.

[kalasaurus]

On the other hand, a non-mage Lavellan might be even more interesting for such a story, because she could be running back to her clan exactly because she doesn't know much about magic and can't train her child herself, but trusts that her Keeper will know how to handle a mage child better than the shems would.

True, I just don't know how well that would fly, though, with the child being a human.  Well, it would work for the drama... hmm... *thinks about it*

 

Edit: ToP Cullen

 

http://eseebi.devian...ntest-505951134

[CuriousArtemis]

Ah, the Imshael quest could have been so awesome. 

 

More like, "[INSERT ANY QUEST (except "In Your Heart Shall Burn")] could have been so awesome."

[Melca36]

THIS!

Didn't they say future patches would add content to the game?

 

Also...I think the inclusion of multiple races forced the developers to sacrifice alot of things. 

 

We have DLC to look forward to at least