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[CuriousArtemis]

*blushes* Ahem... sorry about that and thank you

Sorry, seeing as it's a group for writers, I... I just couldn't help myself

[Thane4Ever]

I dipped my toe in a couple of other threads on here - don't think I'll be doing that again any time soon.  They've gotten so nasty over the last few months. *disgusted noise*

 

I have mixed feelings about vagueness in these games. On the one hand I appreciate it so that it appeals to a wider audience, but on the other hand as someone else said up thread, I need to see some things to be sure, like my curious logical side takes over my emotional imaginative side. I also don't like the idea of Bioware not pursuing a story idea to keep the fans happy who have created head canons about post-game stuff - I'm not saying that's what they're doing, I just hope that doesn't hamstring them in their writing. I do feel in the minority in the fandom in that respect. Anyways moving along.

 

Anyone have any ideas on what the DLC will be? Probably Solas focused based on what his voice actor said, but I'm just so damned curious if it will have any of our LI's in it. I'm guessing no since DA:O didn't expand on any relationships with their addl content unless you romanced Morrigan (never played DA2 DLC). I have a mighty need for some more Cullen, obvs.  It would be cool if they did a short DLC for each LI but probably not gonna happen.

[QweenBeen]

I dipped my toe in a couple of other threads on here - don't think I'll be doing that again any time soon. They've gotten so nasty over the last few months. *disgusted noise*

I have mixed feelings about vagueness in these games. On the one hand I appreciate it so that it appeals to a wider audience, but on the other hand as someone else said up thread, I need to see some things to be sure, like my curious logical side takes over my emotional imaginative side. I also don't like the idea of Bioware not pursuing a story idea to keep the fans happy who have created head canons about post-game stuff - I'm not saying that's what they're doing, I just hope that doesn't hamstring them in their writing. I do feel in the minority in the fandom in that respect. Anyways moving along.

Anyone have any ideas on what the DLC will be? Probably Solas focused based on what his voice actor said, but I'm just so damned curious if it will have any of our LI's in it. I'm guessing no since DA:O didn't expand on any relationships with their addl content unless you romanced Morrigan (never played DA2 DLC). I have a mighty need for some more Cullen, obvs. It would be cool if they did a short DLC for each LI but probably not gonna happen.

Personally I'm not a fan of the vagueness of their writing in developing characters and some plot points. Wicked Hearts turned into a very unimportant mission for me due to that problem. I'd read masked empire and really expected more from it. I wonder if they're afraid of another ME fiasco where a definitive story, with little room for imagination on where the story goes, would upset people.

I was reading earlier about the vagueness of Cullen's (edit: sexual experience) and that it's done on purpose. it absolutely is for anyone who wants to imagine him a first timer or seasoned. I enjoy that in character development, just not story development. That needs to have serious meat and then we can head cannon characters.

I know games are all about tailoring your experiences now, but I go into Bioware games with the hopes I'll be told a rich story that my character participates in, not necessarily molds herself.

Haha, totally don't think that was a direct response to your comment, but oh well out of curiosity, what topic or thread ruffled you? People are getting a little overzealous out there.

Here have a cullen, he'll hold you to make it better

http://greyingwarden...st/104888191843

EDIT: to your dlc question, i can't imagine we won't have some cullen in the dlc if you start the mission in skyhold and need to consult with your counselors. I dont think It'll be to the level we want it to be.

Hey had another question I'm sure already asked but I might as well make one biiiig post! Is cullen the type to want to get married? I'm head cannoning no since it doesn't seem to be a major institution unless you're a noble or royalty, and he would be perfectly content just being with quizzy.

Oh and I thought this was fun. I was on the what is scuttlebutt thread and cullen came up back in Feb 2014 as a most likely topic little did they know it would be nearly 5k pages loooong!  
 

It'll probably be a LI thread, requesting Cullen for romance and/or another thread with someone wondering why Cullen is so popular. Give it by the weekend.

I don't have any money, but we'll see.

[Caja]

I dipped my toe in a couple of other threads on here - don't think I'll be doing that again any time soon.  They've gotten so nasty over the last few months. *disgusted noise*

 

Yep, I agree. Everytime I stick my head out of here I'm glad if it doesn't get ripped of.

 

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Anyone have any ideas on what the DLC will be? Probably Solas focused based on what his voice actor said, but I'm just so damned curious if it will have any of our LI's in it. I'm guessing no since DA:O didn't expand on any relationships with their addl content unless you romanced Morrigan (never played DA2 DLC). I have a mighty need for some more Cullen, obvs.  It would be cool if they did a short DLC for each LI but probably not gonna happen.

No word on a DLC yet, I think. Hopes are that it's either about Solas or the Warden. Personally, I think it might be good for Cullen to tell the Hero of Ferelden everything that's on his mind. Well, Alistair or Anora had a short cameo in Awakening and there was a whole DLC centered around Leliana so it's not impossible that there will be a DLC with one of the companions. Solas makes the most sense IMHO. A short DLC for each LI will never happen since the romances are all optional. But I like the idea to some degree. As much as I liked the personal quests, I thought they were a bit too short. A DLC could stretch your companion's or advisor's quests and add more to the relationship. I wouldn't say no to that. However, I don't want this to become a habit for all the games that will follow. Companions should stand on their own without a DLC. Therefore, a companion DLC makes the most sense if it ties up lose ends (Morrigan, Solas) or tells a story that is not connected with the main story (Leliana).

 

I liked Awakening. I would rather wait for a decent add on but that will probably not happen either *sigh*. One can hope . I totally support a Cullen DLC, though *g*.

[Thane4Ever]

I don't want to make a huge post with quotes - in response to Caja and QweenBeen - nothing in particular prompted me to say that, just that the majority of the fandom seems to like vague storytelling and development over specifics so they can create their own fantasies/worlds. That's fine I guess, but it's not why I play Bioware games.  I want to be caught up in a rich world, in their story, and they do it so damn well. They also are masters at character development and I am just greedy - I want more! It's so rare to find! I don't want to have to do the majority of the work in my head. Now, I do love that you can create a personality/back story for your OC, that is awesome. I need to read these Dragon Age books btw, haven't yet.  Where should I start?

 

Yeah the Leliana DLC was a prequel so they could do something similar with another character, maybe Cass? Basically I just want more of all of the characters and not just a cameo, really, I love them all (but mostly Cullen).  

[CuriousArtemis]

Yep, I agree. Everytime I stick my head out of here I'm glad if it doesn't get ripped of.

 

How did your review thread go?

[CuriousArtemis]

You guys should try the Iron Bull romance. Nothing "vague" about how that romance plays out 

[AresKeith]

I do agree that the DA Team should be more vague about certain things 

[Thane4Ever]

And even if they do explicitly spell something out, there are always fans who will reject it in their head canon and change it. Like Cullen's sexual orientation, for one example.  I don't want to start a big back and forth about it for space reasons, just had to get it off my chest and you guys are always respectful so I appreciate it, and I appreciate that most don't agree with me.  My bottom line is it would make me sad to know that Bioware were to hold back if they have great stories to tell, general and character specific, for fear of upsetting people.  

 

Ha - yeah I had a one night stand with Bull.  It was fun.  I couldn't bring myself to do the entire romance though, I had other plans.

[Caja]

How did your review thread go?

I see it more as a general feedback thread. My answer to your question is just so-so. Sadly, not many participated. The ones who did made an effort though (well, most of them). It's probably easier to make hundreds of "complain" threads in which devs and others get attacked than to put some serious thought into some constructive feedback. *Sigh* Feels like fighting a lost battle but at least there were no personal insults. 

[R2s Muse]

Oh and I thought this was fun. I was on the what is scuttlebutt thread and cullen came up back in Feb 2014 as a most likely topic little did they know it would be nearly 5k pages loooong!

Given that the current thread is a continuation of an almost 4000 page DA2 thread that's been going since 2011, there's no surprise there. But, what Natashina is actually referring to in that old post are "sensitive threads" that draw trolls, bans and mod locks... and any thread about Cullen in the main DAI forums used to fall into that category. This is why we didn't move this thread into the DA:I forums until April of 2014, because it was formerly . . . too risky.

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Also on "reporting" on other threads, we've been asked specifically not to talk about other threads in here, because it breeds bad juju on a public forum. Come back to escape, sure, but don't bring it with you.

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Finally, on the character vagueness topic, I think it's fine to want more answers, and I'd like the same in terms of what happened in Kirkwall between DA2 and DA:I, since I think the current answers we have are not just vague but contradictory (:shakes fist at red lyrium references:). There's a shade of difference in what folks are saying, tho, about Cullen's experience or lack thereof.

If I had a dollar for every time the "is Cullen a virgin?" question has come up over the past four years, I'd be a rich woman. In short, it has been argued to death, and then some, and usually involves a number of slightly offensive stereotypes and generalizations. By Brianne saying she explicitly left it up to us frees everyone to have a opinion... and to not impose that opinion on others, since there's no right answer. Moreover, it's a fact that doesn't actually matter to the story, so it frees the writers to not spend time on it, but also frees them to address it at a future time when it might matter. The nature of writing for an RPG means they have to accommodate a wide range of player styles, attitudes and agency over how their character feels. So these are the little ways in which they can allow that.

[Thane4Ever]

Did you guys see these Twitter posts about sex mo-cap? Might be for another game, but one can dream.

 

https://twitter.com/eplerjc

[AresKeith]

And even if they do explicitly spell something out, there are always fans who will reject it in their head canon and change it. Like Cullen's sexual orientation, for one example.  I don't want to start a big back and forth about it for space reasons, just had to get it off my chest and you guys are always respectful so I appreciate it, and I appreciate that most don't agree with me.  My bottom line is it would make me sad to know that Bioware were to hold back if they have great stories to tell, general and character specific, for fear of upsetting people.  

 

Ha - yeah I had a one night stand with Bull.  It was fun.  I couldn't bring myself to do the entire romance though, I had other plans.

 

That's pretty much how I feel

[Tishina]

*ninja'd by R2 on several points *

 

As far as the rest, people like role playing. Defining things about a character simply to define them restricts the ability to role play. Alistair's lack of experience was relevant to his development and interactions with the Warden and the choices you may make through the game (I found it very uncomfortable to ask an unromanced Alistair to do the DR, for one.) Isabella's experience was relevant (as was her background related to it.) So is Iron Bull and Dorian's, while Cass answers a question left hanging, I believe, in one of the books or comics.

 

It hasn't been relevant for many other LIs. There are no story driven reasons for them to spend time defining Cullen's experience or the details of the relationship with Cullen. Blackwall and Josephine's experience isn't defined, even Solas and Sera's is vague, and I honestly see no story reason for it. Like R2, I'd much rather they spent time on something meaningful that explained some of the contradictions in what happened to him between DA2 and DAI. To me, having his experience specifically defined really just unnecessarily creates "winners" and "losers."

[eternalshiva]

Did you guys already talk about this new noir fanart? 


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The FIRST thing that came to my mind upon seeing it was this absolutely divine and timeless video from Queen Bey

Inspector Rutherford deserves a million chair dances at the end of every work day in my opinion lol 

 

Ah, that's the piece therealmcgee drew for me to write pr0n on, I was a bit late with it. *sweats*

[R2s Muse]

That's pretty much how I feel

The writers have been pretty explicit about how they don't add or remove characters because of the fans, but only include them if the story warrants (yada yada pandering to the fan girls blah blah). But I think it also makes sense for them to be aware of issues that would be, say, triggering or misinterpreted by the audience, like, for example, the storyline that DG mentioned they re-wrote about Leliana seducing the Inquisitor in the Fade sequence.

[Cantina]

Here have some Cullen's....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[AresKeith]

The writers have been pretty explicit about how they don't add or remove characters because of the fans, but only include them if the story warrants (yada yada pandering to the fan girls blah blah). But I think it also makes sense for them to be aware of issues that would be, say, triggering or misinterpreted by the audience, like, for example, the storyline that DG mentioned they re-wrote about Leliana seducing the Inquisitor in the Fade sequence.

 

I wasn't really referring to the characters because I already fans don't have any impact that, but in-general. Bioware generally acts vague or not do something because of upsetting people

 

Like the example you just mentioned, I can understand why they cut it but at the same time it's a really good idea that would've added more to the mission. And sometimes I feel they should go into uncomfortable territory as long as it's handled well 

[TheJediSaint]

To be fair, DAI was not lacking when it came to heavy ****.

[R2s Muse]

I wasn't really referring to the characters because I already fans don't have any impact that, but in-general. Bioware generally acts vague or not do something because of upsetting people

 

Like the example you just mentioned, I can understand why they cut it but at the same time it's a really good idea that would've added more to the mission. And sometimes I feel they should go into uncomfortable territory as long as it's handled well 

Yeah, I know what you mean. I guess I don't feel like they avoid so many things because of upsetting the fans, tho. Like... the Leliana thing, DG said they would've gone ahead and included it if they could've found a way to do so in a sensitive way. But they changed it for other story-based reasons. 

 

But overall... I do feel like they're responding to the fans concerns in other ways. Like the ripples the ME3 ending had through the gaming-o-sphere or even the controversy over Anders hitting on Hawke leading to lack of LI's taking the initiative. I think it depends a bit on what you think of those responses whether or not that's being too concerned over upsetting the fans. There are risks, and then there are risks, you know?

[kalasaurus]

Yesss...! Thank you! Has anyone ever figured out how to triage in blackwall too? If I can get solas to bug out, and then smooch blackwall, and then dump him judgment time, and then finish strong with cullen...would looooove! (Evil I know, players gotta play play play.... )

So... after arriving at Skyhold, my Lavellan managed to do all this (because, yeah...)

1. Flirt with Cullen

2. Flirt with Sera

3. Make out with Solas in the Fade

4. Agree to just be friends with Solas after the Fade kiss

5. Flirt with Blackwall on the Battlements (which locks her into a relationship with him)

 

Now I'm not sure if Solas will bring up the kiss again if she's already in a relationship (since when he did the last time, she was single).  I guess we'll see how far this polyamory bug can go 

 

Edit ToP Cullen:

http://mellorianj.de.../C-10-468701223

[Cerulione]

So... after arriving at Skyhold, my Lavellan managed to do all this (because, yeah...)

1. Flirt with Cullen

2. Flirt with Sera

3. Make out with Solas in the Fade

4. Agree to just be friends with Solas after the Fade kiss

5. Flirt with Blackwall on the Battlements (which locks her into a relationship with him)

 

Now I'm not sure if Solas will bring up the kiss again if she's already in a relationship (since when he did the last time, she was single).  I guess we'll see how far this polyamory bug can go 

 

Wow, you're pushing the bar very high now. I really hope that you can do a few more playthroughs to get at least romance everyone at the same time

 

EDIT: when do you guys think that we'll hit the 5K pages? Things are slowing down now, but if it'll happen this week end then I'll post my fanfic & banners now in AO3 & photobucket & ask someone to link that here

 

EDIT2: Ouch, there are so many negative stuffs going on in BSN lately. The only "safe place" I can find is this thread and that "What did you do today" thread.

[AresKeith]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I guess I don't feel like they avoid so many things because of upsetting the fans, tho. Like... the Leliana thing, DG said they would've gone ahead and included it if they could've found a way to do so in a sensitive way. But they changed it for other story-based reasons. 

 

But overall... I do feel like they're responding to the fans concerns in other ways. Like the ripples the ME3 ending had through the gaming-o-sphere or even the controversy over Anders hitting on Hawke leading to lack of LI's taking the initiative. I think it depends a bit on what you think of those responses whether or not that's being too concerned over upsetting the fans. There are risk, and then there are risks, you know?

 

That's true, it feels like a lose-lose situation for them either way

 

Probably why I feel like developers should follow their own vision at this point

[Thane4Ever]

That's true, it feels like a lose-lose situation for them either way

 

Probably why I feel like developers should follow their own vision at this point

THIS, so much this.  

 

As for the three-way romance, I don't think that's due to the polyamory bug, seems like you can just do that if you time things right and wait to have certain conversations, or am I wrong? 

[CuriousArtemis]

And even if they do explicitly spell something out, there are always fans who will reject it in their head canon and change it. Like Cullen's sexual orientation, for one example.  I don't want to start a big back and forth about it for space reasons, just had to get it off my chest and you guys are always respectful so I appreciate it, and I appreciate that most don't agree with me.  My bottom line is it would make me sad to know that Bioware were to hold back if they have great stories to tell, general and character specific, for fear of upsetting people.  

 

Could we just... not... bring this... up...?