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[Hellion Rex]

Yeah that's a low bar though

I know, but Barris....damn, why CAN'T WE HAVE BARRIS FOR DA4 LI!??!!?!!?

[riverbanks]

That's just a bug. You can still get Barris' war table missions and promotion scene if you disband the templars.

 

Not sure what actually causes the bug though.

 

Oh, that's good to know. Would be sad if people missed out on seeing his crowning moment of awesome for that.

 

I almost cried when I got promote Barris. I loved his character, a lot more than Fiona.

 

I mean, yeah, considering I like Fiona about -500%, I'll agree with Artemis, that's a pretty low bar.

 

I did cry a little bit when I first promoted him. I cry about everything, but that just felt so good. Every time I promote him on my other characters now I still get a little teary. This boy is so precious.

 

(also I think you'll like this, but I ship Barris with Michel a little bit. kind of a lot. >>)

 

Eek. I disbanded them this time. Hopefully I don't run into that bug.

 

This better be on your elf playthrough. *grumble gurmble*

 

You don't deserve Ser Barris, traitor.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I kinda wish there was some Barris/Cullen banter. It would be interesting to hear them discuss their feelings on the current situation of the order. Considering how important it has been or still is to them.

[Hellion Rex]

 

(also I think you'll like this, but I ship Barris with Michel a little bit. kind of a lot. >>)

 

That is brilliant, brilliant, I tell you! Genius, I say!

 

[AresKeith]

(also I think you'll like this, but I ship Barris with Michel a little bit. kind of a lot. >>)

 

And I thought Josephine and Blackwall was so random 

[Cerulione]

I kinda wish there was some Barris/Cullen banter. It would be interesting to hear them discuss their feelings on the current situation of the order. Considering how important it has been or still is to them.

 

Yeah, same here. It might be nice to get a cutscene with Ser Barris discussing with Cullen on the battlement concerning the Templars, the army, etc. Or maybe about staying/quitting the Order. That might be interesting.

[Kaibe]

A bit OT, but I thought this was super interesting to hear, considering some discussions we've had about Samson, Alexius and Denam in the past: apparently, if you fill up the prison cells, your prisoners start bantering among themselves!



Or... at least they were supposed to. Even on the test playthrough where I sent everyone to jail I never even saw them in their cells, leave alone hear any banter there.

Is it just me or does Samson sound like Fenris at times?

[MelissaGT]

Is it just me or does Samson sound like Fenris at times?

 

They have the same voice actor, Gideon Emery.

[riverbanks]

I kinda wish there was some Barris/Cullen banter. It would be interesting to hear them discuss their feelings on the current situation of the order. Considering how important it has been or still is to them.

 

Yeah, I definitely feel the most lacking part of assigning agents to your advisors is that there's little to no reactivity to it, and in some cases that was pretty essential, narratively. Imagine Cullen talking to Barris about their mutual concerns for the future of the Order and Cullen helping Barris through what becoming a Knight-Commander means, or talking to Michel about the Chevalier's code of honor and hearing his version of the events that led to his public disgrace, or discussing notions of faith and reinterpretations of the Chant with the Blades of Hessarian, or talking to Clemence about his condition and maybe getting some insight into the mind of a Tranquil outside of the constrains of a Circle... wasted potential everywhere.

[Kaibe]

They have the same voice actor, Gideon Emery.

I had no idea.
And apparently, Morrigan tells Cullen that if he believes hard enough that a fleet of griffons will be under his control.

[Hunter111]

I think this is open to personal opinion. There really is nothing that points to the relationship being strained, as ninetozero pointed out. There actually is nothing in-game that even says that Cullen is better off following through with not taking lyrium. For all we know, he could end up worse in a dlc by choosing not to let him take it. This is something that remains to be seen.
 
I really hate getting into this discussion (again), so I think I'm going to leave it there (and get back to processing more fantabulous Alistair pics). This is always a topic of contention that can get rather heated. 

Ok, sorry, didn't realize this discussion has already been hashed and rehashed. I'm not a huge Cullen fan myself (blasphemy I know) but the whole thing was to be a minor plot point in a fic I'm writing but then I realized I wasn't really clear on what the withdrawal symptoms were, how it actually incapacitated Cullen, and what precisely Cullen was asking/implying during the conversation with Cassandra. Was he saying she should watch him so she could force feed him lyrium if things got too bad and he went crazy? Was he saying she should take over if things got too bad because getting off lyrium was more important than being then
Inquisition's commander? I wasn't sure, and was just attempting to get those facts clear in my head so I didn't make an egregious error in the fic.

Is this explained well anywhere else so I could click on over there and leave you all in peace?

Thanks if you can help, and if not, sorry for invading your topic.

[Cerulione]

Yeah, I definitely feel the most lacking part of assigning agents to your advisors is that there's little to no reactivity to it, and in some cases that was pretty essential, narratively. Imagine Cullen talking to Barris about their mutual concerns for the future of the Order and Cullen helping Barris through what becoming a Knight-Commander means, or talking to Michel about the Chevalier's code of honor and hearing his version of the events that led to his public disgrace, or discussing notions of faith and reinterpretations of the Chant with the Blades of Hessarian, or talking to Clemence about his condition and maybe getting some insight into the mind of a Tranquil outside of the constrains of a Circle... wasted potential everywhere.

 

This is a very interesting idea. I wonder to what extent does Cullen's understanding of Tranquils' go. Guess that not much Templars really understand what being a tranquil imply, since IIRC Tranquils are forbidden by the Chantry to talk about it no? (Owain from DA:O can't talk about it).

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Yeah, same here. It might be nice to get a cutscene with Ser Barris discussing with Cullen on the battlement concerning the Templars, the army, etc. Or maybe about staying/quitting the Order. That might be interesting.

 

Yeah, I definitely feel the most lacking part of assigning agents to your advisors is that there's little to no reactivity to it, and in some cases that was pretty essential, narratively. Imagine Cullen talking to Barris about their mutual concerns for the future of the Order and Cullen helping Barris through what becoming a Knight-Commander means, or talking to Michel about the Chevalier's code of honor and hearing his version of the events that led to his public disgrace, or discussing notions of faith and reinterpretations of the Chant with the Blades of Hessarian, or talking to Clemence about his condition and maybe getting some insight into the mind of a Tranquil outside of the constrains of a Circle... wasted potential everywhere.

 

 

I can imagine it would start out with friendly banter, sharing stories of their time in the circle. Then moving on to slightly more serious stuff. Both voicing their concern for the order's future as you said. And perhaps if the templars were made allies, Barris would end with asking if Cullen have considering returning to the order after the world have been saved. Though Cullen would obviously say no.

[Tishina]

I'd suggest to run back to the main hall after quick scan of each room. Do 1 room quickly, ignore all enemies, back to main hall, run quickly to second room, back to hall etc. Ignore as much enemies as you can, and when your team mate start to say "we'd better be back to the hall" that means it's already 50% health drop. Don't battle all enemies, not enough time.

I figured this out after a few minutes and did fine for the rest of it (other than how long it took me to find my way around because I had to keep going back and then getting lost again afterwards trying to get back to where I was). I just didn't realize that I'd already condemned Barris in the first few minutes until I was completely done.

 

If you disbanded the Templars, it's not even worth going back to save Barris, as apparently you don't get his war table missions and you're not able to promote him anyway, as you would by allying with the Templars freely. (at least that's what most people on his thread reported, haven't tried the disband option myself)

That works out, then. Next time, I'll save him and ally with them.

 

Hmm, someone says it's a bug. Oh, well, I'm just not dedicated enough to replay all that at this point, lol.

 

Edit: and please, let's not get into the Fiona bashing. Not everyone detests her...

[Cerulione]

I can imagine it would start out with friendly banter, sharing stories of their time in the circle. Then moving on to slightly more serious stuff. Both voicing their concern for the order's future as you said. And perhaps if the templars were made allies, Barris would end with asking if Cullen have considering returning to the order after the world have been saved. Though Cullen would obviously say no.

 

This merits fanfictions, since we're not getting this scenes in-game

 

I can picture this scene happening at the battlement. Maybe after Perseverance. Or Barris can talk with Cullen about Cullen's quitting Lyrium (out of curiosity for example) & it develops into a conversation about Templar Order.

[CuriousArtemis]

(also I think you'll like this, but I ship Barris with Michel a little bit. kind of a lot. >>)

 

beep boop beep, My m/m romance senses were tingling and brought me back to the thread before bedtime. Oh yeeeeah make this happen in DA4, BioWare. Or better yet, let us romance them both 

[Monica21]

This better be on your elf playthrough. *grumble gurmble*

 

You don't deserve Ser Barris, traitor.

 

She's not my canon yet!

 

It's totally my human playthrough.

[Tarlonniel]

Disbanding the templars is SOP for me on most of my (many) playthroughs and I've never seen a quest chain for Barris pop up. That must be quite a bug    I'm not as big a fan of the guy as others here, but I still would've liked to see more of him. In my head canon he's one of those who follows Cullen's example and breaks his lyrium chains, sticking around afterwards as one of the Inquisition's trusted lieutenants.

[MelissaGT]

Ok, sorry, didn't realize this discussion has already been hashed and rehashed. I'm not a huge Cullen fan myself (blasphemy I know) but the whole thing was to be a minor plot point in a fic I'm writing but then I realized I wasn't really clear on what the withdrawal symptoms were, how it actually incapacitated Cullen, and what precisely Cullen was asking/implying during the conversation with Cassandra. Was he saying she should watch him so she could force feed him lyrium if things got too bad and he went crazy? Was he saying she should take over if things got too bad because getting off lyrium was more important than being then
Inquisition's commander? I wasn't sure, and was just attempting to get those facts clear in my head so I didn't make an egregious error in the fic.

Is this explained well anywhere else so I could click on over there and leave you all in peace?

Thanks if you can help, and if not, sorry for invading your topic.

 

No no! It's fine to talk about the physicality of it - we just have to be careful where the conversation goes. We've had contention over the player's personality behind the decision to let Cullen take/not take lyrium, and that's the part that's not cool. 

 

My take on it is that while going through withdrawals, Cullen experiences the following:

• pain
• weakness
• headaches
• nightmares
• difficulty concentrating

Even as early as Haven, we get to hear banter where Cullen is having problems focusing. Then we get to hear that he hasn't been taking lyrium for months and that he's asked Cassandra to keep an eye on him. If she feels that he's not able to perform his job 100% then he is willing to step down and let a replacement take over. I would imagine that based on the scene we get to see, his withdrawal symptoms can be pretty debilitating. If the player chooses to tell Cullen to persevere and not take lyrium, then he appears in a scene later on the battlements showing that he's feeling better. The withdrawal symptoms do continue (headaches, nightmares, pain) and he has good days and bad. We never do really find out if that is the end of it - my suspicion is that it will be addressed in a future dlc. 

 

I hope that helps!

[Hellion Rex]

 Or better yet, let us romance them both 

At the same time!

[Cerulione]

Ok, sorry, didn't realize this discussion has already been hashed and rehashed. I'm not a huge Cullen fan myself (blasphemy I know) but the whole thing was to be a minor plot point in a fic I'm writing but then I realized I wasn't really clear on what the withdrawal symptoms were, how it actually incapacitated Cullen, and what precisely Cullen was asking/implying during the conversation with Cassandra. Was he saying she should watch him so she could force feed him lyrium if things got too bad and he went crazy? Was he saying she should take over if things got too bad because getting off lyrium was more important than being then
Inquisition's commander? I wasn't sure, and was just attempting to get those facts clear in my head so I didn't make an egregious error in the fic.

Is this explained well anywhere else so I could click on over there and leave you all in peace?

Thanks if you can help, and if not, sorry for invading your topic.

 

IIRC, Cullen asked Cassandra to find a replacement for him in Perseverance (Cullen's personal quest).

 

Withdrawal symptoms that I can manage to remember from in-game:

- headaches (war table banter, Leliana asked him whether he's well & he responded that he has headaches)

- his nightmares (from Kinloch Hold I assume) got worse without lyrium

- he's tired (if you put him back to Lyrium, you get a cutscene in the blacksmith when he said that he's less tired now & didn't realize how much the withdrawal tire him before)

 

You can also see this

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Lyrium

 

And you might probably use DA:O's Templar Irminic (that guy imprisoned in Howe's Denerim estate dungeon) symptoms as reference. Or read the codex entry "Confession of a Lyrium Addict"

 

But I guess that Cullen got it on lower degree compared to Irminic.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

This merits fanfictions, since we're not getting this scenes in-game

 

Hmm... Another Cullen fanfic to put on the to-do list?

 

And yes, I haven't forgotten the first fic idea from a week ago. 

 

 

 

I can picture this scene happening at the battlement. Maybe after Perseverance. Or Barris can talk with Cullen about Cullen's quitting Lyrium (out of curiosity for example) & it develops into a conversation about Templar Order.

 

If it was in the game, then after Perseverance would make sense.

 

 

Disbanding the templars is SOP for me on most of my (many) playthroughs and I've never seen a quest chain for Barris pop up. That must be quite a bug     I'm not as big a fan of the guy as others here, but I still would've liked to see more of him. 

 

I had a hard time disbanding the templars the one time I did it, Ser Barris sounds so sad when they accept the inquisition's ultimatum.

 

 

In my head canon he's one of those who follows Cullen's example and breaks his lyrium chains, sticking around afterwards as one of the Inquisition's trusted lieutenants.

 

 

I'm actually hoping he's one of the templars that stays on the lyrium, because I feel like the normal templars will need an example to live up to and I think Barris should be that person. 

[MelissaGT]

Alrighty guys - have a few more Alistair/Cullen comparisons. Please note that Alistair is actually proving to be easier to get shots of since he actually appears outside. I can't wait to get to the Temple of Mythal with Cullen so I can try and get some decently lit shots of him:

 

 

 

Spoiler

Classic smirk:

 

 

And just for fun - he totally looks like Captain America here... 

 

[Thane4Ever]

@Melissa, I am so pissed because on my last PT I could not find Cullen anywhere in the Arbor Wilds.  I ran into Leliana and she fought with me, but I was panning the camera around like crazy in every little pocket on the way to the temple and just did not see or hear him.

[SmilesJA]

Soooooo did anyone watch the Superbowl?