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[R2s Muse]

She didn't actually get to that point though, so I wonder how true that was, or if it was just Chantry propaganda to discourage the Templars from even trying to quit. Because clearly Cullen seems to fare a lot better.

True. However, a week is not that long... especially if you're traveling around Thedas away from the tower, for example. So I'd be surprised if she hadn't gotten close to that limit before, particularly if they really ration it out as it seemed when Lambert gave it to her. It's not like the Chantry's making a vague claim that in twenty years you'll have side effects from lyrium. The templars must see the actual effects every day if the timescales are that tight, especially given that there must be person-to-person variations as well.
 
So there's where Cullen comes in. He's just awesome, so he's fine.  More seriously, he has shown his resilience previously, depending on how long he was in the pink cage. He could just really have a high tolerance for such suffering. Poor baby.
 

On Cullen's swearing I was a little taken aback by any of the "Andraste's [insert body part]" that Greg did. Don't get me wrong, he's wonderful for doing them! But I personally wouldn't use them since Cullen is a particually religious type and the worst he's said is "Maker's breathe" as far as I remember, which is much more in line with his character.

Which is, of course, why folks asked Greg to say them! I agree. But keeping in mind yet again, Greg doesn't actually know this character very well. Add to that the fact that his own sense humor also tends toward the raunchy, then it makes perfect sense that Greg would just go with it. The bigger question is why the suggestions were made in the first place, but it was all just for a lark, not necessarily meant to be perfectly in character.

[MelissaGT]

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[QweenBeen]

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So many great drawings that I think would've been very pertinent to see in game...all plot related...there was fade smooge all over that shirt...after an epic battle...and cullen had it take it off before it corrupted him...yeah...sumthin like that...

*sigh*

[CuriousArtemis]

On Cullen's swearing I was a little taken aback by any of the "Andraste's [insert body part]" that Greg did. Don't get me wrong, he's wonderful for doing them! But I personally wouldn't use them since Cullen is a particually religious type and the worst he's said is "Maker's breathe" as far as I remember, which is much more in line with his character.

He said "Sweet blood of Andraste" in DA2.

[Monica21]

Regarding lyrium withdrawals, I'll link to the first fic I read that actually turned me into a Cullen fan. There's lyrium withdrawal based on what we knew from Origins. Yes, it's 40 chapters but it's really good and I'm just linking to it for science.

 

What We Become

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I'm going to go crazy. I cannot escape steamy pictures of Cullen to save my own life, every time I see one...just it makes my story take a turn that it should NOT be going in, lol!

[KayKay1290]

Hi, been lurking this thread for a while. Just finished my first playthrough with Cullen  

 

I've got a question...can't remember if or where this has been discussed before. Is there any way to keep a romance with him if you tell him to continue taking lyrium? 

[R2s Muse]

Regarding lyrium withdrawals, I'll link to the first fic I read that actually turned me into a Cullen fan. There's lyrium withdrawal based on what we knew from Origins. Yes, it's 40 chapters but it's really good and I'm just linking to it for science.
 
What We Become

Second this recommendation. The sequel is also excellent, even if they're AU now.

[R2s Muse]

Hi, been lurking this thread for a while. Just finished my first playthrough with Cullen  
 
I've got a question...can't remember if or where this has been discussed before. Is there any way to keep a romance with him if you tell him to continue taking lyrium?

Only if you tell him to stay on it, but that you'll find another way later.

[Thane4Ever]

edit: R2 beat me to it

 

So help me, if they have Cullen die from lyrium withdrawal in any future content, I....I will be VERY ANGRY!

[MelissaGT]

Hi, been lurking this thread for a while. Just finished my first playthrough with Cullen

 

I've got a question...can't remember if or where this has been discussed before. Is there any way to keep a romance with him if you tell him to continue taking lyrium? 

 

Yes. If you choose the option that says you can find a cure after the Inquisition's cause is finished, he will not break up with you.  

 

Only if you tell him to stay on it, but that you'll find another way later.

 

Ditto on the above. I'm actually playing this through with a Templar IQ now - and am recording all romance scenes. 

[SgtSteel91]

Speaking of Cullen and AU's

[Hellion Rex]

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Yup, I wanna lick all the way up and down.

[Owlfruit Potion]

Given all the talk in-game and in the epilogues about other templars following his example, I don't think they're going to chalk it up to special snowflake plot armor or even his previously demonstrated exceptional willpower if Cullen successfully quits without losing his mind. I think more likely he would have been tapering his use for a long time, an option Evangeline didn't have in Asunder.
 
I also noticed while replaying Origins recently that the original codex entry only says something like "some Templars become addicted" or "Templars may become addicted" or something to that effect. I guess that's been retconned?
 
EDIT: OK, apparently it's the "Templars" one, which is the same in all three games. "Lyrium use is regulated by the Chantry, but some templars suffer from lyrium addiction, the effects of which include paranoia, obsession, and dementia. Templars knowingly submit themselves to this 'treatment' in the service of the Order and the Maker." But the Lyrium one says "prolonged use becomes addictive," sounding a little more certain.

I've interpreted Brianne's "roughly 30" comment as freedom to continue headcanoning "early 30s" for Cullen, since the idea of younger templars being in charge of a mage's Harrowing is an extra Circle system insult I'd rather not have to think about and I think the HoF was 20 in Origins? But I guess his recovery from the time in the Pink Bubble of Woe without lyrium makes more sense the younger / newer at being a Templar he is.

[Thane4Ever]

Given all the talk in-game and in the epilogues about other templars following his example, I don't think they're going to chalk it up to special snowflake plot armor or even his previously demonstrated exceptional willpower if Cullen successfully quits without losing his mind. I think more likely he would have been tapering his use for a long time, an option Evangeline didn't have in Asunder.

 

I also noticed while replaying Origins recently that the original codex entry only says something like "some Templars become addicted" or "Templars may become addicted" or something to that effect. I guess that's been retconned?

I like the idea of most of the lyrium info is Chantry propaganda, except for the memory loss for the older Templars.  I'm not sure exactly how old that addled Templar is in Origins, maybe early 60's? 

[Hellion Rex]

Given all the talk in-game and in the epilogues about other templars following his example, I don't think they're going to chalk it up to special snowflake plot armor or even his previously demonstrated exceptional willpower if Cullen successfully quits without losing his mind. I think more likely he would have been tapering his use for a long time, an option Evangeline didn't have in Asunder.
 
I also noticed while replaying Origins recently that the original codex entry only says something like "some Templars become addicted" or "Templars may become addicted" or something to that effect. I guess that's been retconned?
 
EDIT: OK, apparently it's the "Templars" one, which is the same in all three games. "Lyrium use is regulated by the Chantry, but some templars suffer from lyrium addiction, the effects of which include paranoia, obsession, and dementia. Templars knowingly submit themselves to this 'treatment' in the service of the Order and the Maker." But the Lyrium one says "prolonged use becomes addictive," sounding a little more certain.

 

All Templars do indeed suffer lyrium addiction, there is no two ways about it.

[QweenBeen]

He said "Sweet blood of Andraste" in DA2.

I think that's pretty mild compared to what varric would say. Sweet blood is hardly a flaming a**

[Hellion Rex]

I like the idea of most of the lyrium info is Chantry propaganda, except for the memory loss for the older Templars.  I'm not sure exactly how old that addled Templar is in Origins, maybe early 60's? 

I don't think it's even remotely propaganda, since we have literal proof of Templars suffering the effects. Otto was early 50s or 60s, I believe.

[Cerulione]

On Cullen's withdrawals, realistically, he's the special snowflake, and he'll be fine. Maybe not, as others have mentioned, but as the Magic 8 Ball would say, "Signs point to yes." 

 

On the swearing, none of that is in game, they're things folks on twitter asked him to say when he asked for suggestions. They're all bonafide swears in Thedas, mostly said by the likes of Anders and Varric, but none have been said by Cullen previously in game.

 

I'd love to see Drunken!Cullen swearing

Guess that his resistance to alcohol isn't that great since he doesn't seem to be one who's used to drinking.

 

That Irminic Templar in DA:O's actually in his state due to Lyrium Withdrawal or due to longtime-addiction taking permanent effect on his mind? Anyone knows?

[R2s Muse]

That Irminic Templar in DA:O's actually in his state due to Lyrium Withdrawal or due to longtime-addiction taking permanent effect on his mind? Anyone knows?

Withdrawal. 
 
http://dragonage.wik...Irminric_Eremon

Given all the talk in-game and in the epilogues about other templars following his example, I don't think they're going to chalk it up to special snowflake plot armor or even his previously demonstrated exceptional willpower if Cullen successfully quits without losing his mind. I think more likely he would have been tapering his use for a long time, an option Evangeline didn't have in Asunder.
 
I also noticed while replaying Origins recently that the original codex entry only says something like "some Templars become addicted" or "Templars may become addicted" or something to that effect. I guess that's been retconned?
 
EDIT: OK, apparently it's the "Templars" one, which is the same in all three games. "Lyrium use is regulated by the Chantry, but some templars suffer from lyrium addiction, the effects of which include paranoia, obsession, and dementia. Templars knowingly submit themselves to this 'treatment' in the service of the Order and the Maker." But the Lyrium one says "prolonged use becomes addictive," sounding a little more certain.

I've interpreted Brianne's "roughly 30" comment as freedom to continue headcanoning "early 30s" for Cullen, since the idea of younger templars being in charge of a mage's Harrowing is an extra Circle system insult I'd rather not have to think about and I think the HoF was 20 in Origins? But I guess his recovery from the time in the Pink Bubble of Woe without lyrium makes more sense the younger / newer at being a Templar he is.

I think the early entries on lyrium from DA:O also include the fact that, (a) all codexes are still written from a certain point of view, and even Genetivi is a mouthpiece of the Chantry, and (b ) in DA:O, they were still considering implementing lyrium addiction in game as having diminishing results with time, perhaps with the notion that addiction is only for some templars. I think it's clear that there have been a number of adjustments since then, Alistair's situation as Prime Example #1, and DG has said several times that the story doesn't match gameplay in DA:O. 
 
They have been much more specific in the interim. I think Evangeline comes out and says it, point blank, that all templars are addicted. 
 
LOL Aaaand, in poking around for the quote, I give you a couple of other times we've discussed this... HERE and HERE
 
From Asunder: 
"Once that is gone, I'll have perhaps a week before I start to feel the effects Within a month, perhaps two, I'll go insane."
 
"You're addicted."
 
"And there's nothing to be done about it. The Chantry controls the supply of lyrium, and thus t hey control the templars. There is no turning back from the order once you're within."

[Annarl]

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Wow! 

[R2s Muse]

That Irminic Templar in DA:O's actually in his state due to Lyrium Withdrawal or due to longtime-addiction taking permanent effect on his mind? Anyone knows?

Withdrawal. 
 
http://dragonage.wik...Irminric_Eremon

Given all the talk in-game and in the epilogues about other templars following his example, I don't think they're going to chalk it up to special snowflake plot armor or even his previously demonstrated exceptional willpower if Cullen successfully quits without losing his mind. I think more likely he would have been tapering his use for a long time, an option Evangeline didn't have in Asunder.
 
I also noticed while replaying Origins recently that the original codex entry only says something like "some Templars become addicted" or "Templars may become addicted" or something to that effect. I guess that's been retconned?
 
EDIT: OK, apparently it's the "Templars" one, which is the same in all three games. "Lyrium use is regulated by the Chantry, but some templars suffer from lyrium addiction, the effects of which include paranoia, obsession, and dementia. Templars knowingly submit themselves to this 'treatment' in the service of the Order and the Maker." But the Lyrium one says "prolonged use becomes addictive," sounding a little more certain.

I've interpreted Brianne's "roughly 30" comment as freedom to continue headcanoning "early 30s" for Cullen, since the idea of younger templars being in charge of a mage's Harrowing is an extra Circle system insult I'd rather not have to think about and I think the HoF was 20 in Origins? But I guess his recovery from the time in the Pink Bubble of Woe without lyrium makes more sense the younger / newer at being a Templar he is.

I think the early entries on lyrium from DA:O also include the fact that, (a) all codexes are still written from a certain point of view, and even Genetivi is a mouthpiece of the Chantry, and (b ) in DA:O, they were still considering implementing lyrium addiction in game as having diminishing results with time, perhaps with the notion that addiction is only for some templars. I think it's clear that there have been a number of adjustments since then, Alistair's situation as Prime Example #1, and DG has said several times that the story doesn't match gameplay in DA:O. 
 
They have been much more specific in the interim. I think Evangeline comes out and says it, point blank, that all templars are addicted. 
 
LOL Aaaand, in poking around for the quote, I give you a couple of other times we've discussed this... HERE and HERE
 
From Asunder: 
"Once that is gone, I'll have perhaps a week before I start to feel the effects Within a month, perhaps two, I'll go insane."
 
"You're addicted."
 
"And there's nothing to be done about it. The Chantry controls the supply of lyrium, and thus t hey control the templars. There is no turning back from the order once you're within."

[KayKay1290]

Ditto on the above. I'm actually playing this through with a Templar IQ now - and am recording all romance scenes. 

 

Thanks for the answers! I'm doing a fresh PT with a rogue and was actually gonna romance someone else...but I really loved Cullen's. Plus I wanted to play out this part of the story with him taking it. 

[Hellion Rex]

I don't think it's propaganda, but it sure as hell does give the Chantry a vast amount of control, and its entirely left to their discretion. Though, I do believe that Cass might try to change this somewhat, given how my epilogue went.

[CuriousArtemis]

I think that's pretty mild compared to what varric would say. Sweet blood is hardly a flaming a**

 

Stronger than "Maker's Breath" though; I mean we had "Christ's Wounds!" which eventually became "Zounds!" (LOL) and was considered a rather strong curse. I think when you reference the blood or wounds or bodily flesh of the deity or saint or prophet it's considered a strong curse.

 

Just not vulgar in the modern sense (No arse or balls or t!ts lol)