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Yeah, I can absolutely see Samson in the role of cleaned up Commander. He was on a pretty good path where I left him in my DA2 playthrough. I find it harder to buy Cullen letting himself be corrupted than Samson redeeming himself.

Totally agree that Cullen as we saw him in DA2 would never have voluntarily collaborated with Corypheus or started doing red lyrium on purpose, but there are plenty of ways the latter can mess people up / be forced on people through no fault of their own (and for the paranoia case I was referring more to a scenario where the DA:O epilogues had turned out to be canon).
I helped Samson out as much as I could, and I haven't replayed since the summer so I could be off, but in The Last Straw (EDIT: Best Served Cold) he didn't come off to me like a guy who was committed to make a fresh start, more like someone who was out of ideas and jumped at a possible opportunity to get a regular paycheck again. With the proper handwaving I could buy "got his lyrium dependence under control, started taking care of his appearance, and resumed working a regular job" but "earned the respect of the rest of Kirkwall's templars to the extent that he and not some unseen Knight-Lieutenant or Knight-Captain wound up in charge after Meredith died" would be tough to pull off.

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I believe it's been said on the record that Cullen was not originally planned to be a "carry over" character but for whatever reason (possibly popularity) he showed up in DA2. Now from DA2 to DAI, I don't know if they always planned to bring him over and continue his development (not that I feel he's developed much in DAI but that's another topic and one I got snapped at for last time). Now I have a feeling the "advisors" were a later addition; Josephine for one seems like a very "last minute" character. I bet initially Cassandra and Leliana were going to be the main inquisition characters, oh, and Morrigan of course was always intended to play a big part (not that she did in DAI... she just sort of shows up then gets some stuff wrong about the mirrors lol).

Their role seemed pretty set by the survey leak, though, and wouldn't most of the DA:I writing team have been on the job for some time by then? I guess BB couldn't have come over until Citadel writing was done, but someone else could have started his writing.
 

Yeah it seemed so unplanned and his name was just randomly thrown in there.
 
As for Cullen, I wonder myself if his popularity is what made him a big part of DAI too like previously mentioned. I'm guessing many players chose females mages and saw a softer side to this adorably shy Templar who hadn't gone mad yet from the attacks. I know he was endeared to me after my playthrough as a mage.

This was the case for me too, but I think a solid majority of the thread actually played a different Warden and became interested in him in DA2!



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So...I have a question (a little OT).  Are the actually doing DLC for the game?  Is it official?  I read somewhere long ago that they said they would not be doing that because people complained that they were being forced to pay for content they already bought (or something like that)...but it may have been in regards to other companions (like Shale).

 

Has there been real confirmation that DLC is happening?

They've been talking on twitter about h ow they *can't* talk about DLC yet, but they're coming. ^_^

 

I believe it's been said on the record that Cullen was not originally planned to be a "carry over" character but for whatever reason (possibly popularity) he showed up in DA2. Now from DA2 to DAI, I don't know if they always planned to bring him over and continue his development (not that I feel he's developed much in DAI but that's another topic and one I got snapped at for last time). Now I have a feeling the "advisors" were a later addition; Josephine for one seems like a very "last minute" character. I bet initially Cassandra and Leliana were going to be the main inquisition characters, oh, and Morrigan of course was always intended to play a big part (not that she did in DAI... she just sort of shows up then gets some stuff wrong about the mirrors lol).

Yeah, the writers have talked extensively about what a surprise it was that Cullen had fans after DA:O (which gave rise to all the inflammatory 'creepy' comments). When DA2 came out, his writer, Jennifer Hepler, said we would definitely  learn what happened to him after Meredith, altho she didn't know exactly what their plan was for including the character. So it seems his immediate storyline was set. (all the things the devs said about his possible inclusion in DA:I are documented here)


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This was the case for me too, but I think a solid majority of the thread actually played a different Warden and became interested in him in DA2!

 

I first met Cullen in DA2 (only just played DAO this week) and I have to admit he caught my interest then too. I blame Greg. He's too good with his acting. Lol



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I believe it's been said on the record that Cullen was not originally planned to be a "carry over" character but for whatever reason (possibly popularity) he showed up in DA2. Now from DA2 to DAI, I don't know if they always planned to bring him over and continue his development (not that I feel he's developed much in DAI but that's another topic and one I got snapped at for last time). Now I have a feeling the "advisors" were a later addition; Josephine for one seems like a very "last minute" character. I bet initially Cassandra and Leliana were going to be the main inquisition characters, oh, and Morrigan of course was always intended to play a big part (not that she did in DAI... she just sort of shows up then gets some stuff wrong about the mirrors lol).

*snicker* I just caught this. 

 

I must say, I loved her cameo in The Last Court, speaking of knowing things about mirrors. :) 



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I must say, I loved her cameo in The Last Court, speaking of knowing things about mirrors. :)

 

For a minute I thought you meant "Wicked Eyes..." and I just thought, really? Really, R2? Then I realized you meant the little mini game :lol: Sadly I never got past the first day on that. Shame, too; I hear it's fun and reveals fun stuff about the world and characters.


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I first met Cullen in DA2 (only just played DAO this week) and I have to admit he caught my interest then too. I blame Greg. He's too good with his acting. Lol

His arc is pretty captivating in DA2, awesome voice notwithstanding.  When you first meet him as Hawke he's kneeing someone in the groin, then ends fighting at your side. Let's just ignore the fact that it takes him a while to catch on if you're a mage, that's just poor writing.

 

R2 you've mentioned that Greg Ellis doesn't know much about the character, which I find super interesting.  Wouldn't they give him some Cullen background so he can hit the right emotions, or do they just say "be angsty here about this, be in love during this line"?



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*snicker* I just caught this. 

 

I must say, I loved her cameo in The Last Court, speaking of knowing things about mirrors. :)

 

haha... I love that "**** if I know" shrug she gives when Abelas mentions the Well.


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His arc is pretty captivating in DA2, awesome voice notwithstanding.  When you first meet him as Hawke he's kneeing someone in the groin, then ends fighting at your side. Let's just ignore the fact that it takes him a while to catch on if you're a mage, that's just poor writing.

 

Lol yeah but he does remember your Amell ancestor.


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HARDY HAR HAR Very funny :P Seriously, "This love scene is like drinking tepid water"; I have never wanted to b!tch slap someone before but I came close that day. Luckily s/he was behind a screen.

I thought I was rather humorous XD Oooooh I would had came through that screen even if that could never happen...tumblr_mxxgo0E56r1ro1dyeo1_500.gif

 

This is probably want your readers wanted, but in a more....sexually explicit way.

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I think I may have taken too much cold medicine...I should probably lay down, but naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! 


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To put it in context, this whole thing started with aimo musing on the other side of all those Red Lyrium Cullen AUs:

 

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http://momochanners....oh-just-a-quick

 

Interesting exercise in thought, isn't it.

Damn, he actually looks hot in Cullen's outfit.


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I think I may have taken too much cold medicine...I should probably lay down, but naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! 

 

No don't stop, it's quite delightful and entertaining :lol:


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No don't stop, it's quite delightful and entertaining :lol:

Oh my gosh, you had seen me in Ashe's stream tonight! I was amazing! I'm quite sure I asked if Ashe's IQ would ride Bull all the way to the bank and to the deposit box. Everyone died in the chat, it was entertaining. 



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Damn, he actually looks hot in Cullen's outfit.

Who doesn't look good in Cullen's especially when you know he is naked because someone is wearing his pants. :D



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His arc is pretty captivating in DA2, awesome voice notwithstanding.  When you first meet him as Hawke he's kneeing someone in the groin, then ends fighting at your side. Let's just ignore the fact that it takes him a while to catch on if you're a mage, that's just poor writing.

 

R2 you've mentioned that Greg Ellis doesn't know much about the character, which I find super interesting.  Wouldn't they give him some Cullen background so he can hit the right emotions, or do they just say "be angsty here about this, be in love during this line"?

Pretty much. If you watch the videos of the VAs you can see that they get a screen with a table on it with the line and how to say it. Then, I think it was Allegra who mentioned that they'll get to hear the other character's line before they respond.

 

I think for Greg, tho, he's so very busy and does so much voice work for so many games that smaller roles like Cullen just don't stick. He's not a gamer and has never played Dragon Age, so the whole big picture is missing for him. For contrast, that's why folks gush about FPJ and Allegra being different, since they know so much about the game. (edit: I should say that this came as a surprise to us, too, when we first started interacting with him; he barely remembered who Cullen was. I think that's why he got in trouble that first time for telling us he was doing Cullen VA work back in 2012)

 

... and since illustrations are good :P, a DA2 Culleny BAMF moment :wub: :wub:

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If the warden listens to Cullen and kills the mages how does he feel about it in inquisition?



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If the warden listens to Cullen and kills the mages how does he feel about it in inquisition?

Gosh, we've talked about this, and I honestly don't remember if there's a special line about it. I haven't done it, so it's not in my game. 



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Gosh, we've talked about this, and I honestly don't remember if there's a special line about it. I haven't done it, so it's not in my game. 

 

I'm curious myself. I never did it, because I wanted Wynne to stay.



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If the warden listens to Cullen and kills the mages how does he feel about it in inquisition?

 

It's never mentioned either way (I've tested).

 

That tile is really just there for flavour, it's one of those that got added to the Keep only a few weeks from launch so it was never going to relate directly to the game. It was actually added as a request from people who wanted to specify that Wynne died in the Circle rather that at Haven in their games, so it had barely anything to do with Cullen at the core of it.


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Gah, I still can't decide if I want my Lavellan to dump Blackwall for Cullen or if she'll finish the Blackwall romance this pt.  I know I'm going to roleplay her as being really, really angry at Blackwall but I'm unsure if she'll take him back or not.  Hmm.


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I want to see the breakup scene! I think...

 

Blackwall Breakup scene:

 

Templar Spec Discussion:


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Gah, I still can't decide if I want my Lavellan to dump Blackwall for Cullen or if she'll finish the Blackwall romance this pt.  I know I'm going to roleplay her as being really, really angry at Blackwall but I'm unsure if she'll take him back or not.  Hmm.

 

Either way you go, but specially if you decide to continue the romance, you should save at least one conversation topic with Blackwall as per this post by Sheryl to avoid the dialogue bug, so you can ask him the truth about himself after the judgement. Having these additional conversations changes the tone of the relationship post-Revelations somewhat (for the better).


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Either way you go, but specially if you decide to continue the romance, you should save at least one conversation topic with Blackwall as per this post by Sheryl to avoid the dialogue bug, so you can ask him the truth about himself after the judgement. Having these additional conversations changes the tone of the relationship post-Revelations somewhat (for the better).

Yeah, I messed that up.  Oops :/.  It's way too late to go back now.

 

(maybe one of the patches fixed it? ...*hopes*)



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Yeah, I messed that up.  Oops :/.  It's way too late to go back now.

 

(maybe one of the patches fixed it? ...*hopes*)

 

Ugh, me too...  :(

 

Guess I'll have to reload my Qunari back a bit...



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Either way you go, but specially if you decide to continue the romance, you should save at least one conversation topic with Blackwall as per this post by Sheryl to avoid the dialogue bug, so you can ask him the truth about himself after the judgement. Having these additional conversations changes the tone of the relationship post-Revelations somewhat (for the better).

I hope I can remember that long enough for Reska to get that far, lol. That might make a lot of difference in my opinion of the romance. I'm still at Haven, so hopefully I haven't already blown that.