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[Thane4Ever]

I meant to say this earlier - about the "Lake Calenhaad looks like a bunny" war table banter - how ****** adorable is it that Cullen says bunny instead of rabbit? This character, I tell you...

[Hellion Rex]

Lol, it seems that someone has some sass in them today!

My dear, I am the High Lord of Sass.

 

Bow before your new god and be spared.

[kalasaurus]

Here ya go!

 

 

If anyone's interested, I also recorded this scenario (along with the post-Perseverance scene and flirt) but with Alix Wilton Regan's voice:

[Tarlonniel]

I meant to say this earlier - about the "Lake Calenhaad looks like a bunny" war table banter - how ****** adorable is it that Cullen says bunny instead of rabbit? This character, I tell you...

 

*squee*

 

Another little thing I love is his line just after the first kiss. He normally has a very educated, almost refined way of speaking - few contractions, a well-developed vocabulary, a sort of earnest eloquence. But in that moment of bliss, all he can manage to come up with is "That was... umm... very nice."   And Mr. Ellis nails the delivery, of course.

[MelissaGT]

Thank you Mel, for posting this. (gives you cookies)

 

 

Hmmm. I am not impressed.

 

I was expecting, I dunno more, but it just seems so...well...flat.

 

Hear me out before you throw the veggies.

 

For starters, I feel as though the Mage dialogue option comes off as, getting a more "personal" reaction from Cullen. If you understand my meaning.

 

Secondly waiting so long to do this just for Cullen to say, "Well you have not seen me at best" was just meh. Its like "Uh Cullen, I would not have asked to speak to you alone on the barracks if your outburst was an issue."

 

In my game play smooching Cullen, then doing "Perseverance" and telling him not to drink the blue kool-aid. The cut scene you get feels/felt as though Cullen's surprised look when you tell him you like him and still want to be with him came off as more- intimate. Cullen words and face says it all.

 

Thus I have no intentions of waiting until after "Perseverance" to do smoochy time.

 

Ahh well.

 

Still nice to see what the difference even if I am unimpressed.

 

I think it depends on how you're playing it. For that particular character, it worked. She's a "Playah with Swag" and it took her a long time to realize that Cullen got under her skin and she could no longer run away from it. Seeing him laid bare like he is in Perseverance was the final push that she needed.

 

On the other hand, Rhiannon initiated the romance earlier in the game. She suspected how Cullen felt but was already involved with Blackwall. However, she grew tired of his "I'm not good enough for you" lines and finally said screw it. She knows what she wants in life and goes for it, and she expects her love interest to do the same. No games, no messing around. She's a templar herself, so she is prepared to walk into the inevitable withdrawal conversation while being in a romance with him.

 

Also, initiating the romance after Perseverance does have one other change:

 

[timebean]

Sorry, this is so random and not having anything to do with Cullen. But you know those stone column thingies that are everywhere, like the ones along the coast on the Storm Coast for example, I didn't think such a thing existed in real life but it does! Just google Giant's Causeway.  Now I really want to go there.

Totally worth it!  I have walked on those stones and they are magical (well...as magical as basalt can be), so I was pretty happy they were in the game!.  There is also a little cluster of them in Missouri.  Was a TA on a geology field trip there and was all excited thinking "OMG...it's like a mini Giant's Causeway!"

[TheRaccoon]

The only big change I made was conscripting the Templars. I honestly haven't paid attention to who agrees or disagrees with that, so I don't know.

If it is approval-gated, can I get it at some future point?

 

Hmmm... I am not sure. IME, the book scene with Cass would somehow disappeared after Hawke's introduction/Abyss. I can still initiate her finding the seekers quest without the book scene. 

[Thane4Ever]

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sorry for the dumb question but what is the change?

also I,don't think I ever got the line from him where he says Vivienne doesn't like him then you can say "Well I like you." are there conditions for this? sorry if this looks weird I'm on my iPad.

[kalasaurus]

On the other hand, Rhiannon initiated the romance earlier in the game. She suspected how Cullen felt but was already involved with Blackwall. However, she grew tired of his "I'm not good enough for you" lines and finally said screw it. She knows what she wants in life and goes for it, and she expects her love interest to do the same. No games, no messing around.

Oh man, my Macha Lavellan was royally p!ssed off at Blackwall after everything.  She even went so far as to tell him that she never loved him when she talked to him in prison 

 

sorry for the dumb question but what is the change?

also I,don't think I ever got the line from him where he says Vivienne doesn't like him then you can say "Well I like you." are there conditions for this? sorry if this looks weird I'm on my iPad.

Instead of saying "I care about you, nothing has changed", the Inquisitor tells him "I'm serious" in response to Cullen saying "...even after?" to the flirt.

 

I think the only condition to that other flirt is being a mage.

[SmilesJA]

My dear, I am the High Lord of Sass.

 

Bow before your new god and be spared.

 

I like to think that's Corypheus' "loving" wife.

[Inanna Athanasia]

Thank you Mel, for posting this. (gives you cookies)

 

 

Hmmm. I am not impressed.

 

I was expecting, I dunno more, but it just seems so...well...flat.

 

Hear me out before you throw the veggies.

 

For starters, I feel as though the Mage dialogue option comes off as, getting a more "personal" reaction from Cullen. If you understand my meaning.

 

Secondly waiting so long to do this just for Cullen to say, "Well you have not seen me at best" was just meh. Its like "Uh Cullen, I would not have asked to speak to you alone on the barracks if your outburst was an issue."

 

In my game play smooching Cullen, then doing "Perseverance" and telling him not to drink the blue kool-aid. The cut scene you get feels/felt as though Cullen's surprised look when you tell him you like him and still want to be with him came off as more- intimate. Cullen words and face says it all.

 

Thus I have no intentions of waiting until after "Perseverance" to do smoochy time.

 

Ahh well.

 

Still nice to see what the difference even if I am unimpressed.

I decided since seeing people talk about it to start the romance after the Perseverance quest and didn't care for it either.
 One was that when you go to the Temple in the last part of it, you can tell him you don't want him going because you don't want to risk him getting hurt and he tells you the same thing, which I find amusing. Also, when he asks Cassandra to replace him, he tells you to forgive him before leaving and it seems more personal to me when you speak to him if your already involved. Another is that I had the kiss scene and the next we spoke it was the trip to the Lake, so it was like boom back to back all convo's with him instead of it drawn out over time.

I am glad I did it once to see the different things said and so forth, but I won't be doing it again. Heh, one funny thing was going so long with no active LI, I got Cassandra thinking I had wanted her, Bull show up in my bedroom (oh and him saying you want to ride the Bull was a hoot) and someone else too, but I can't remember, might of been Sera.

[Cantina]

Oh! I'll join in too.

 

Cullen: Tenacious

 

Cole: Forgotten

 

Vivivenne: B!tch

 

Sera: Insane

 

Varric: Conflicted

 

Solas: Discombobulated

 

Dorian: Self-absorbed

 

Cassandra: Damaged

 

Lilly: Lost

 

Josephine: Boring

 

Iron Bull: Horny

 

Blackwall: Coward

 

 

 

 

 

[Tarlonniel]

I'm going to gush some more about the subtle bits of characterization they created for Cullen. Hope no one minds.

Someone in this thread pointed out that he seems to be a very tactile person, which I hadn't noticed until they mentioned it, but after watching more closely I can definitely see that. One thing I noticed in particular is how much he loves to touch her face, as if that gesture feels especially intimate or reassuring to him - it happens in the first kiss scene, the recurring one, in what I call the "proposal" scene, again after he wakes up the next morning, and finally during the prayer scene (depending on dialogue choice). Which makes it even more special when the PC gets a chance to reciprocate after he wakes up from his nightmare. Such wonderful little nuances

[wiccame]

The only big change I made was conscripting the Templars. I honestly haven't paid attention to who agrees or disagrees with that, so I don't know.

If it is approval-gated, can I get it at some future point?

Sorry, jumping in here, don't worry you can still get it later as soon as your approval is high enough. I prefer this to come up later as by then Cole and Dorian officially join and one of them show up in that scene and make it better  

[wiccame]

Thank you Mel, for posting this. (gives you cookies)

 

 

Hmmm. I am not impressed.

 

I was expecting, I dunno more, but it just seems so...well...flat.

 

Hear me out before you throw the veggies.

 

For starters, I feel as though the Mage dialogue option comes off as, getting a more "personal" reaction from Cullen. If you understand my meaning.

 

Secondly waiting so long to do this just for Cullen to say, "Well you have not seen me at best" was just meh. Its like "Uh Cullen, I would not have asked to speak to you alone on the barracks if your outburst was an issue."

 

In my game play smooching Cullen, then doing "Perseverance" and telling him not to drink the blue kool-aid. The cut scene you get feels/felt as though Cullen's surprised look when you tell him you like him and still want to be with him came off as more- intimate. Cullen words and face says it all.

 

Thus I have no intentions of waiting until after "Perseverance" to do smoochy time.

 

Ahh well.

 

Still nice to see what the difference even if I am unimpressed.

I don't mind the scene myself, I did it once this way and it did seem to fit nicely. The only drawback for me was what followed. The next time you talk to Cullen the lake scene initiates so I have no time to ask him about how he feels about being with an elf/noble and by the time the lake scene is done it just seems a moot point by then. Plus being a mage you then don't get the added line about him not caring about you and it would have sickened him. It wasn't a good enough trade off for me.

[Cantina]

I'm going to gush some more about the subtle bits of characterization they created for Cullen. Hope no one minds.
Someone in this thread pointed out that he seems to be a very tactile person, which I hadn't noticed until they mentioned it, but after watching more closely I can definitely see that. One thing I noticed in particular is how much he loves to touch her face, as if that gesture feels especially intimate or reassuring to him - it happens in the first kiss scene, the recurring one, in what I call the "proposal" scene, again after he wakes up the next morning, and finally during the prayer scene (depending on dialogue choice). Which makes it even more special when the PC gets a chance to reciprocate after he wakes up from his nightmare. Such wonderful little nuances

Interesting. I did not realize how often Cullen does this. Hmm, I wonder now if it's more then just an intimate jester. Like Cullen does this as a means to make sure she is real- that this not some dream he is going to wake up from and it will no longer be there.

:edit:

BTW....

Playing DAO again, made Cullen run off...LOL! My thought was, "In ten years Cullen, you'll find the love of your life."

[riverbanks]

I hardly ever get these, period. Do you guys just leave the screen on the war table for awhile? 

 

I tend to leave it open rather long, yeah. I usually spend a while reading over missions, deciding which one feels appropriate for this point of the game, roleplaying the advisors discussing their suggestions, generally wasting time at the table. That tends to trigger at least one-two, sometimes three banters per table session. Last night I finally got Cullen's line about Chief Movran "educating" Abernache for the first time too, after being on the war table for almost 15 minutes.

 

I just realized tonight that I never got the book conversation with Cassandra. It's always been my first convo with her once I get to Skyhold. What did I do to miss triggering it?

 

I think you're suffering from too much approval on your other playthroughs (usually happens to me too because of the Great Approval she gives when allying with the Templars). The very first convo with Cass should normally be her asking if you've met Varric's mysterious friend yet, but if you get her approval too high before getting to Skyhold that one will skip over to the book scene.

 

The only drawback for me was what followed. The next time you talk to Cullen the lake scene initiates so I have no time to ask him about how he feels ....

 

You guys know you don't have to go with Cullen to the lake right away, right? You can tell him you'll go as soon as you can and he'll take no offense to it, you can go back at any time later and ask him about that place he wanted to take you to. You two are leading an army after all, he understands if you have more pressing matters to attend to right now. Just save the lake scene for later, and take it whenever you feel there's a lull in romance cutscenes in your game.

[Cerulione]

Totally worth it!  I have walked on those stones and they are magical (well...as magical as basalt can be), so I was pretty happy they were in the game!.  There is also a little cluster of them in Missouri.  Was a TA on a geology field trip there and was all excited thinking "OMG...it's like a mini Giant's Causeway!"

 

Ooooh I'm not the only one thinking of Ireland's Giant's Causeway too!!!

 

Thank you Mel, for posting this. (gives you cookies)

 

 

Hmmm. I am not impressed.

 

I was expecting, I dunno more, but it just seems so...well...flat.

 

Hear me out before you throw the veggies.

 

For starters, I feel as though the Mage dialogue option comes off as, getting a more "personal" reaction from Cullen. If you understand my meaning.

 

Secondly waiting so long to do this just for Cullen to say, "Well you have not seen me at best" was just meh. Its like "Uh Cullen, I would not have asked to speak to you alone on the barracks if your outburst was an issue."

 

In my game play smooching Cullen, then doing "Perseverance" and telling him not to drink the blue kool-aid. The cut scene you get feels/felt as though Cullen's surprised look when you tell him you like him and still want to be with him came off as more- intimate. Cullen words and face says it all.

 

Thus I have no intentions of waiting until after "Perseverance" to do smoochy time.

 

Ahh well.

 

Still nice to see what the difference even if I am unimpressed.

 

Well, I'm someone who play with tons tons tons tons of head-cannon & heavy personal interpretation so I wait post Perseverance to have that feel of "building the trust & friendship" before the love comes.

 

True, the difference si subtle but everything about the romance is subtle. Personally I find that this subtle line difference change the whole taste actually.

 

I guess that it's what it really means to the story I play to start the romance before or after. I'd like Cullen to find that he's loved even if he's "not in his best light", that my Inquisitor will still fall in love with him knowing things that may entail. That's the story I want to play with my Inquisitor.

[wiccame]

 

You guys know you don't have to go with Cullen to the lake right away, right? You can tell him you'll go as soon as you can and he'll take no offense to it, you can go back at any time later and ask him about that place he wanted to take you to. You two are leading an army after all, he understands if you have more pressing matters to attend to right now. Just save the lake scene for later, and take it whenever you feel there's a lull in romance cutscenes in your game.

Ok I forgot you could delay it, though I would feel bad doing so, it takes a lot for him to open up and take a step like that to then shut him down even temporarily...I don't know, just feels wrong.  

He delayed an urgent report from Leliana for the Inquisitor (ok it didn't involve a trek to Ferelden but still). Meaning he put her before work, I could do no less.

[R2s Muse]

It's kind of hard to tell so far with banter post patch since I'm early in this current game and just am running around Hinterlands with the OG party (haven't recruited others yet), they've said stuff a couple of times but at this stage of the game there is so much content getting triggered ("oh, bandits ahead!" etc).

Yeah, I can't tell what's "normal" either. I feel like I'm suffering from the Bioware Uncertainty Principle. I never had any of the banter bugs, that I was aware of, and then once folks mentioned that Patch 3 could make it the banter both better and worse, I went to the Western Approach and waited for my banter to trigger and... suddenly, nada. Without patching. Cue paranoid uncertainty. To patch or not to patch??

 

So, I saw that the Gossiping Orlesian Noble lines came up again, and I'm wondering: based on some posts shortly after the game came out, I thought the explanation that made the most sense was that they were talking about some other famous couple, not involving the Inquisitor at all. Someone here said they got the same lines on their Dorian-romancing playthrough, and the only one that has a phrase that sounds like it could have been about Cullen ("the allure of command") immediately follows it with a phrase that makes very little sense for Cullen / Trevelyan and absolutely zero sense for Cullen / Lavellan ("noble names").

Have we confirmed which, if any, of their comments actually have anything to do with the Cullen romance?

On my second playthrough I have a Lavellan romancing Solas who hasn't flirted with Cullen even once: I haven't been making an effort to swing by them, but I know for sure I got the "committed to independence" and the "climax" ones (the latter just about 5 minutes ago), and I'm 95% sure I got "intrigue begets begetting" and "has there been an exchange".

Hmm, I don't know that I've heard anything definitive. The fact that the comments always seem to correlate with beats in the romance suggest they are triggered by it, but I dunno...  Given what someone said about how they are different if you're unromanced seems to point to yes, I guess.

[Cerulione]

Yeah, I can't tell what's "normal" either. I feel like I'm suffering from the Bioware Uncertainty Principle. I never had any of the banter bugs, that I was aware of, and then once folks mentioned that Patch 3 could make it the banter both better and worse, I went to the Western Approach and waited for my banter to trigger and... suddenly, nada. Without patching. Cue paranoid uncertainty. To patch or not to patch??

 

That's called Heinsenberg's, dear.

 

Okay, more seriously I got much less banter post-patch on PC.

[alwayshungry]

http://scaredybear.t...ot-bored-of-lol

 

http://oncearighteou...-pleasure-never

 

http://pfaerie.tumbl...way-out-of-hand

 

http://drizzlety.tum...ven-played-this

 

http://kumosama.tumb...ketchtrade-with

[R2s Muse]

That's called Heinsenberg's, dear.

 

Okay, more seriously I got much less banter post-patch on PC.

LOL *cough* that's actually Heisenberg.  

[Cerulione]

LOL *cough* that's actually Heisenberg.

 

Bwahahahahahahaha yeah I know, you mentionned being a scientist/engineer once so I just tried that little joke...(okay I got tons of lame ones from college but most of them aren't in Eeenglish). If I get a cat (s)he'll be named Erwin(e) or Schro(e).

 

About banter bugs, it's quite weird since I got much much less banters now then before patch (but I never actually got a real banter but except with Sera, she was silence the whole PT), but a friend of mine said that it's much better after patch.

 

So it depends, do your game already get good banter going on or not at all? If you got no banter before patch, just risk it IMO, you have nothing to loose. Except banter everything's fine, I got less crash now with Fraps going on at the background.

[R2s Muse]

Bwahahahahahahaha yeah I know, you mentionned being a scientist/engineer once so I just tried that little joke...(okay I got tons of lame ones from college but most of them aren't in Eeenglish). If I get a cat (s)he'll be named Erwin(e) or Schro(e).

 

About banter bugs, it's quite weird since I got much much less banters now then before patch (but I never actually got a real banter but except with Sera, she was silence the whole PT), but a friend of mine said that it's much better after patch.

 

So it depends, do your game already get good banter going on or not at all? If you got no banter before patch, just risk it IMO, you have nothing to loose. Except banter everything's fine, I got less crash now with Fraps going on at the background.

Yeah, it's weird, like they don't really know what is causing the banter bugs. But then... I'm sure there are a number of variables affecting the banter. My brain starts to wonder... Did I just exhaust the things they have to say? Does that even happen anymore? I sorta expect that eventually everyone runs out of words, but then Varric and Dorian bet on my success last playthrough at least 10 or 20 times, so maybe they repeat themselves if they run out.  Dunno. 

 

So still have no idea if I should patch or wait til next playthrough... which at this rate will happen never.