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[Twilight_Princess]

Now all they need to do in throw in some more hair options and jammy replacement outfits. I'm trying not to resort to modding just yet.

[Queen Rowan]

Aww, thank you! Blech...Katriel...I still have some annoyed moments when I think about Rowen hearing Maric and Katriel getting in on in his tent. That was so well written and I could feel Rowen's pain. Although I am going to take it as compliment in the way that Maric would be chasing after my elves or at least enamored by them. Malia would toy with him and Halinia would probably punch him in the neck the first second he opened his mouth. I tried to make a dwarf...and Ti saw the result of that one. He looked like he had spent way too much time around lyrium, lol. I made one Qunari and she turned out decently for my first time.

Seriously same with the whole Katriel thing. Rereading the Stolen Throne has rekindled my hatred for her. Especially when I see how similar Maric is to Alistair. I can't even imagine that happening to him. It would break my heart. Even so, I ship Loghain and Rowan so much so I guess at least one good thing came of her. Still hate her though xD

[MelissaGT]

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I'd normally be the first in line to sign up as a beta tester, however me thinks part of the rules for testing will be vanilla-game only. 

[Queen Rowan]

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I am so in love with Bioware for making this a patch instead of DLC. Fingers crossed it comes to console soon!!!!!

[alwayshungry]

I'd normally be the first in line to sign up as a beta tester, however me thinks part of the rules for testing will be vanilla-game only. 

Yeah, I don't know if I should apply, although I only have 3 mods to replace the jammies.

 

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[meanieweenie]

 
I guess it's because I didn't have a beta when I started writing fanfic. I wrote Knight's Bloom almost whole cloth before I published any of it. I was so paranoid that I didn't have a beta that I slavishly edited it myself many, many times, all 120,000+ words of it, multiple times. Now that I have meanie... I still slavishly edit even before I let her see it, so she doesn't red pen me. I personally can't stand reading things that have errors, so I just can't put it out there til I'm ready.
 

Does my red pen frighten you? 

 

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This is the best news I've had so far this month. Woot! 

[MelissaGT]

Yeah, I don't know if I should apply, although I only have 3 mods to replace the jammies.

 

 

I think the problem is that patches can break mods. If you are testing with mods, and they break, then you'd be stuck with no mods til the modders get to the official release. If you're just using jammy replacements no biggie, but most of mine are CC-related.

 

One thing I do know, is that I'm not starting another character til that comes out. I am so over the "let's just start over 27 times til I inevitably give up tweaking this character." 

[Sephirona]

 

 

As for on topic, I've been thinking a lot lately about all the different points of view each of us come in regards to Cullen and not just a little bit but some of us have completely different views/beliefs that I would not of normally considered or agreed with. That being said it's a good thing because so much has been left "open" about his character it has allowed such variation in views/beliefs to develop and evolve. Anyway, the whole point of my ramblings was... I dunno how to say it correctly but what if they had "pigeoned holed" his character more? do you think he'd still have the following he does? I know there would be a possibility of me still liking Cullen but possibly not enjoying his story or romance as much because I wasn't given that flexibility to head cannon certain aspects.

Does that make sense? I think I need to shut up now lol

 

I'm very happy that, as we touched upon yesterday, his personality preference in relationships was left open. It gives us the leeway to make Cullen our own creation, partly - we can imagine him in ways that make each of us feel comfortable individually. I don't know if I would have been happy if they'd defined more of his character - maybe, maybe not. As you pointed out, many of us here have completely different preferences. If the extra character development had aligned more with an interpretation of him that was very different from how I envisioned him based on his actions in DAO and DAII, then I know for certain I wouldn't have been as interested in his romance because I would not have been comfortable playing a self-insert with him (my preferred type of role playing). I don't mean to criticize opposing interpretations and I don't mean to say that I would have been angry, of course - I just would have been very disappointed. If the opposite had happened - they'd aligned more with my interpretation of his behaviors/preferences/etc - I'm sure those who disagree with my interpretations would feel the same way.

 

Regarding the race-gating - I don't think it was addressed directly and I know it was partly due to time constraints, but I personally imagined it was related to how you can ask him whether he has a problem with you being an elf if you romance him as such. His response to that was that he "hadn't considered" it and that elves and humans were treated no differently in the Circles so he had no problem with it. To me that implied that he could potentially have issues with romancing people he wasn't familiar with due to a lack of knowledge about their customs, perhaps. He's not aggressively rude to Qunari or dwarves but he does sometimes refer to individual dwarves by their race - Ohgren in DAO, even Varric in Inquisition during Wicked Grace.

 

That's not to say I would have disagreed at all if they'd had the chance to implement Qunari and Dwarven romances, though - the more the merrier. If they'd had the time I'm sure they could have woven a nice narrative involving Cullen becoming more understanding and open to a romantic relationship with someone from a culture he hadn't had a chance to meet up till now. Same with the gender-gating even though he was only initially attracted to the female Warden. Instead of pigeonholing him, I rather think something like that would expand his horizons. I like the idea of Cullen learning to be open to new ideas and people since he's walking along that path anyway   So that's something I wouldn't have a problem with, even though I'd probably still continue to only romance him with humans/elven females myself.

 

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PLAYER STORAGE...

[R2s Muse]

Does my red pen frighten you? 

yes

 

 

[CuriousArtemis]

LOL Um... I guess make that TWO alerts. I know where both versions are... muahahaha. 
 
I guess it's because I didn't have a beta when I started writing fanfic. I wrote Knight's Bloom almost whole cloth before I published any of it. I was so paranoid that I didn't have a beta that I slavishly edited it myself many, many times, all 120,000+ words of it, multiple times. Now that I have meanie... I still slavishly edit even before I let her see it, so she doesn't red pen me. I personally can't stand reading things that have errors, so I just can't put it out there til I'm ready.

 

  Your ninja skills are impressive....! 

 

I've never had a beta... it makes sense on the grammatical side (an English teacher who needs copyediting would be a sad sight indeed), but I've often wondered if I shouldn't let another pair of eyes run over my stories just to see if I've got everyone in character. When it comes to style... I feel that's something I have to work out for myself. Like I found myself editing my current story on AO3 because I felt there were too many dialog tags. That might mean I put out a not-so-great story, but I feel that's on me.

 

Sorry, didn't mean to put them down. I just exited a game with a Qunari heartbroken for Cullen (who came shortly after a Dwarf heartbroken for Solas), so I'm a little frustrated for her, Qunari players, and Dwarf players.

 

LOL No worries, I know that feel, bro. I have one completed playthrough and two that are just sort of ... lingering. It's hard to enjoy a BW game when you don't like your romance options. Really, really hard. Hard not to rant about it, too. Fortunately, people here are extremely understanding. Though I've learned not to push my luck... no one wants to read that 50th "Why can't Cullen be bi?!" post... not even me 

 

:happy dance: !!!!!

 

edit: STORAGE CHEST!!!  ARMOR TINTER!!! MIRROR OF TRANSFORMATION!!  *pterodactyl screech*

 

ARMOR. TINTING.  OMFG. Nuff said.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Seriously same with the whole Katriel thing. Rereading the Stolen Throne has rekindled my hatred for her. Especially when I see how similar Maric is to Alistair. I can't even imagine that happening to him. It would break my heart. Even so, I ship Loghain and Rowan so much so I guess at least one good thing came of her. Still hate her though xD

The whole Maric being a man-****** thing*let's be honest, he could not keep his pants zipped* has only made me appreciate Alistair more since I feel like Alistair would NEVER do that to the woman he loved. Alistair is SO much better than Maric and Katreil, well, she can go die again.

yes

 

 

Da nah...Da nah....da nah da nah da nah da nah da nah da DA NAH...THE RED PEN STRIKES AGAIN!

[Zarro-Morningstar]

  Your ninja skills are impressive....! 

 

I've never had a beta... it makes sense on the grammatical side (an English teacher who needs copyediting would be a sad sight indeed), but I've often wondered if I shouldn't let another pair of eyes run over my stories just to see if I've got everyone in character. When it comes to style... I feel that's something I have to work out for myself. Like I found myself editing my current story on AO3 because I felt there were too many dialog tags. That might mean I put out a not-so-great story, but I feel that's on me.

 

 

LOL No worries, I know that feel, bro. I have one completed playthrough and two that are just sort of ... lingering. It's hard to enjoy a BW game when you don't like your romance options. Really, really hard. Hard not to rant about it, too. Fortunately, people here are extremely understanding. Though I've learned not to push my luck... no one wants to read that 50th "Why can't Cullen be bi?!" post... not even me 

 

 

ARMOR. TINTING.  OMFG. Nuff said.

*narrows eyes* Arti, you have barely even started your Dorianmance....no insane ranting and woe to me...at least not until you finish that romance, lol.

[CuriousArtemis]

*narrows eyes* Arti, you have barely even started your Dorianmance....no insane ranting and woe to me...at least not until you finish that romance, lol.

 

Sorry, I'm honestly just not interested. I don't find the character interesting, not before I played the game and not after. I will eventually finish it, I'm sure. But that's my point. My romance options do not interest me, and that's really sad for me, and a huge reason why I can't enjoy the game much. First time in a BW game where I didn't enjoy my options... keeping in mind I didn't play the ME trilogy until all three were out and the Kaidan romance was a thing for BroShep.

[Queen Rowan]

The whole Maric being a man-****** thing*let's be honest, he could not keep his pants zipped* has only made me appreciate Alistair more since I feel like Alistair would NEVER do that to the woman he loved. Alistair is SO much better than Maric and Katreil, well, she can go die again.

Da nah...Da nah....da nah da nah da nah da nah da nah da DA NAH...THE RED PEN STRIKES AGAIN!

I wonder if had things gone differently a similar fate would have befell Cailen... Just meaning was he as naive as Maric? He sure seemed like it. All of the Theirens seem to have this innocence. But Alistair definitely got Maric's whiny "But I don't want to be king!" Trait. As much as I hate to say it, Alistair is really trusting and I think something similar could happen to him. Not because of lust but purely because he does trust people who seem genuine on the surface which Katriel did.

[R2s Muse]

The whole Maric being a man-****** thing*let's be honest, he could not keep his pants zipped* has only made me appreciate Alistair more since I feel like Alistair would NEVER do that to the woman he loved. Alistair is SO much better than Maric and Katreil, well, she can go die again.

Um... I disagree with this characterization of Maric. He slept with three chicks that we know of, none of them simultaneously and never cheated on anyone. He was in love with Katriel, for all that I despise her, and it's not his fault that he didn't return Rowan's feelings. While I think he was misguided in falling for Katriel's deception, and my heart breaks for Rowan, that doesn't make him an evil sower of wild oats like he's often portrayed. Mostly just an idiot. Then, he married Rowan, and loved her in his way, too.  Then, Rowan died and he found comfort in someone else, once. [[ETA: There's also no evidence he slept with Goldanna's mother, given Alistair's mostly confirmed parentage.]]  I hardly see how that's not keeping his pants zipped. 

[Queen Rowan]

Um... I disagree with this characterization of Maric. He slept with three chicks that we know of, none of them simultaneously and never cheated on anyone. He was in love with Katriel, for all that I despise her, and it's not his fault that he didn't return Rowan's feelings. While I think he was misguided in falling for Katriel's deception, and my heart breaks for Rowan, that doesn't make him an evil sower of wild oats like he's often portrayed. Mostly just an idiot. Then, he married Rowan, and loved her in his way, too. Then, she died and he found comfort in someone else. I hardly see how that's not keeping his pants zipped.

Agreed. I see a lot of Alistair in Maric. Maybe this is obvious, I haven't read any of the other books yet (just bought them) but I think one of the reasons Loghain seemed to dislike Cailen was because of A. The fact that his mom is Rowan and that would upset me too from Loghain's standpoint (my heart bleeds for him). And B. The fact that Cailen was similar to Maric and Loghain saw him making the same mistakes Maric did if he did not remain in check. The difference with Cailen though is that Loghain was much older at that point and probably less accepting of his faults than he was with Maric. Also did Loghain know about Alistair? I dont know if it was ever mentioned.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Sorry, I'm honestly just not interested. I don't find the character interesting, not before I played the game and not after. I will eventually finish it, I'm sure. But that's my point. My romance options do not interest me, and that's really sad for me, and a huge reason why I can't enjoy the game much. First time in a BW game where I didn't enjoy my options... keeping in mind I didn't play the ME trilogy until all three were out and the Kaidan romance was a thing for BroShep.

It's not like I am going to try and change your opinion or anything like that, after all I'm not a complete ass. I say just give the romance a chance and see where it goes, if you go in with the mindset of everything is going to be dull/bland and isn't what I want; then you will certainly be disappointed as you expect. *shrugs* I'm not am optimist, but some level of hope is good for everyone.

 

I wonder if had things gone differently a similar fate would have befell Cailen... Just meaning was he as naive as Maric? He sure seemed like it. All of the Theirens seem to have this innocence. But Alistair definitely got Maric's whiny "But I don't want to be king!" Trait. As much as I hate to say it, Alistair is really trusting and I think something similar could happen to him. Not because of lust but purely because he does trust people who seem genuine on the surface which Katriel did.

Cailen for sure. He was a puppet-king and everyone knew it. As for Alistair being naive and potentially falling into a similar situation, that I could see happening. I could see him trying to help someone who was being harassed like Katriel was...even though hers was basically an act. Although if Alistair was in love with the Warden then I don't think he would be stupid enough to fall into the same trap Maric did, Alistair is much smarter than that. However, if something like that actually happened then I could see my Warden-Queen basically coming back and simply staring at them. "I spent years searching for a cure and the moment I was gone...this is what you do?" She wouldn't leave though since she isn't the type to run from things like that, she would stay right beside Alistair and make sure every moment was a living hell. Elissa could be your best friend or worst enemy.

[Thane4Ever]

I sort of look at it this way - if I'm disappointed in romance options in a game or with my companions, other characters, it's a lot like real life. You're not always gonna get what you want out of people, some might be assholes. You may like someone and they may not like you back. And yes yes, I know it's not reality, but I would rather the writers write a character how they want to without worrying about if he/she/it will appeal to everyone.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Um... I disagree with this characterization of Maric. He slept with three chicks that we know of, none of them simultaneously and never cheated on anyone. He was in love with Katriel, for all that I despise her, and it's not his fault that he didn't return Rowan's feelings. While I think he was misguided in falling for Katriel's deception, and my heart breaks for Rowan, that doesn't make him an evil sower of wild oats like he's often portrayed. Mostly just an idiot. Then, he married Rowan, and loved her in his way, too.  Then, Rowan died and he found comfort in someone else, once. [[ETA: There's also no evidence he slept with Goldanna's mother, given Alistair's mostly confirmed parentage.]]  I hardly see how that's not keeping his pants zipped. 

It probably seems like I hate Maric's guts, but that couldn't be further from the truth. I found him endearing...but,well, you guys know how "innocent" he was. I have a personal bias when it comes to people with such a naive personality, so naturally that bleeds into my opinion of Maric. I found myself rolling my eyes and gagging far too many times when it came to scenes with Maric/Katriel. I never said it wasn't his fault for not returning Rowen's feelings nor did I say I found him to be a complete and utter playboy.

 

I simply found him to be very...loose with his affections, lol. Perhaps man-****** may not fully describe Maric (since it doesn't in the slightest), but I found him to be easy with his affections. We probably aren't going to agree on this, but I appreciate it that we can actually discuss this topic!

[Queen Rowan]

It's not like I am going to try and change your opinion or anything like that, after all I'm not a complete ass. I say just give the romance a chance and see where it goes, if you go in with the mindset of everything is going to be dull/bland and isn't what I want; then you will certainly be disappointed as you expect. *shrugs* I'm not am optimist, but some level of hope is good for everyone.
 

Cailen for sure. He was a puppet-king and everyone knew it. As for Alistair being naive and potentially falling into a similar situation, that I could see happening. I could see him trying to help someone who was being harassed like Katriel was...even though hers was basically an act. Although if Alistair was in love with the Warden then I don't think he would be stupid enough to fall into the same trap Maric did, Alistair is much smarter than that. However, if something like that actually happened then I could see my Warden-Queen basically coming back and simply staring at them. "I spent years searching for a cure and the moment I was gone...this is what you do?" She wouldn't leave though since she isn't the type to run from things like that, she would stay right beside Alistair and make sure every moment was a living hell. Elissa could be your best friend or worst enemy.

You know now that I think about it, I think Alistair maybe wasn't so trusting. or just had more hesitation. Because he trusted the warden completely, but he asked for the wardens opinion on the other companions. Almost like he wanted to double check that he was judging them correctly. But at the same time almost all of those characters had some cause for suspicion. I think maybe that's a subconscious reason for why him and Maric didn't want to have leadership roles. They either didn't or felt they couldn't trust their instincts.

[MelissaGT]

 

Cailen for sure. He was a puppet-king and everyone knew it. As for Alistair being naive and potentially falling into a similar situation, that I could see happening. I could see him trying to help someone who was being harassed like Katriel was...even though hers was basically an act. Although if Alistair was in love with the Warden then I don't think he would be stupid enough to fall into the same trap Maric did, Alistair is much smarter than that. However, if something like that actually happened then I could see my Warden-Queen basically coming back and simply staring at them. "I spent years searching for a cure and the moment I was gone...this is what you do?" She wouldn't leave though since she isn't the type to run from things like that, she would stay right beside Alistair and make sure every moment was a living hell. Elissa could be your best friend or worst enemy.

 

I read the books so long ago I honestly don't remember Katriel. Maybe you can refresh my memory?

 

However, about cheating, I don't see that happening to Alistair. He may be lured into helping someone, but I don't think he'd ever be tricked into bed with someone, no matter where the Warden is. He's not that naive.

[Queen Rowan]

It probably seems like I hate Maric's guts, but that couldn't be further from the truth. I found him endearing...but,well, you guys know how "innocent" he was. I have a personal bias when it comes to people with such a naive personality, so naturally that bleeds into my opinion of Maric. I never said it wasn't his fault for not returning Rowen's feelings nor did I say I found him to be a complete and utter playboy. I simply found him to be very...loose with his affections, lol. Perhaps man-****** may not fully describe Maric since it doesn't in the slightest, but I found him to be easy with his affections. We probably aren't going to agree on this, but I appreciate it that we can actually discuss this topic!

I think what you're getting at is that he was immature with the way he went about engaging in relationships. He was ignorant to other people's feelings because his judgement was clouded by his own naivity. Maybe it made some of his actions seem a little inappropriate. But I think the whole book hones in on Maric's character development as he leads the rebel army to victory. In the beginning he's completely oblivious to others' feelings and motives. And I think part of that is because he was raised in a castle under immense protection and possibly felt untouched by any consequences of his actions. But by the end he's much more aware of those around him. He's practically a completely different person from the beginning to the end of the book. And I don't think Maric at the end is nearly as blindly trusting as Maric from the beginning.

[riverbanks]

Agreed. I see a lot of Alistair in Maric. Maybe this is obvious, I haven't read any of the other books yet (just bought them) but I think one of the reasons Loghain seemed to dislike Cailen was because of A. The fact that his mom is Rowan and that would upset me too from Loghain's standpoint (my heart bleeds for him). And B. The fact that Cailen was similar to Maric and Loghain saw him making the same mistakes Maric did if he did not remain in check. The difference with Cailen though is that Loghain was much older at that point and probably less accepting of his faults than he was with Maric. Also did Loghain know about Alistair? I dont know if it was ever mentioned.

 

Yeah, Loghain knew about Alistair all along. If you conscript him in DAO and go through all his dialogue, he has a number of things to say about Maric shaming Rowan with a bastard child, on top of everything else - that him acknowledging a bastard would have made Rowan look like a mere concubine, etc. 

 

Loghain's relationship with Cailan wasn't always as strained as it comes across at the time we meet them. In The Calling, he seems to care more about Cailan than even Maric does. I can see why - on some level, young Cailan was all Loghain had left of Rowan. But... there's another factor that I personally think is what soured any friendship they might have had: Cailan married Anora. And he repeated with her some of the same relationship patterns Maric had with Rowan. Loghain saw his own daughter suffering some of the same issues the woman he'd loved did in the past - this inevitably builds resentment, even if it may not have been intentional on Cailan's part. Even if Loghain once cared about Cailan as Rowan's child, Cailan was too much like Maric in the end for that to last.

 

(lol this is going super OT, sorry, but I can't not join in a Loghain/Rowan/Maric/Cailan/Anora/Alistair discussion, it's only my favorite topic in the DA universe )

[Queen Rowan]

I read the books so long ago I honestly don't remember Katriel. Maybe you can refresh my memory?
 
However, about cheating, I don't see that happening to Alistair. He may be lured into helping someone, but I don't think he'd ever be tricked into bed with someone, no matter where the Warden is. He's not that naive.

Katriel is the elf woman who spied for mad kind meghren by getting into Maric's confidence and reporting all of his and the rebel army's actions to the king. But then as the story progresses she realizes she loves him and tries to mend her ways by breaking connections with the king but by that point Maric is pissed and kills her.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

You know now that I think about it, I think Alistair maybe wasn't so trusting. or just had more hesitation. Because he trusted the warden completely, but he asked for the wardens opinion on the other companions. Almost like he wanted to double check that he was judging them correctly. But at the same time almost all of those characters had some cause for suspicion. I think maybe that's a subconscious reason for why him and Maric didn't want to have leadership roles. They either didn't or felt they couldn't trust their instincts.

Both characters have self-confidence issues and masked their pain with humor or simply tried to brush it away, until it became so great that they broke; like Alistair when Duncan died.

 

I read the books so long ago I honestly don't remember Katriel. Maybe you can refresh my memory?

 

However, about cheating, I don't see that happening to Alistair. He may be lured into helping someone, but I don't think he'd ever be tricked into bed with someone, no matter where the Warden is. He's not that naive.

Yeah, I don't think Alistair would ever cheat...save for the warden if she is his mistress. I don't even know if you call that "cheating" since Anora feels nothing for Alistair and the same for him. Besides I would always have Alistair rule alone with the warden as his mistress, if that was the current PT I was playing. Although, we can't be sure. People grow apart and Alistair is the type who needs comfort. I'm not saying he would hop into another's arms with a fingersnap, but when years go by...well, people change.

 

Katriel is a bard from Orlais who "fall in love" with Maric and stole him away from Rowen. We will never know what would had happened if Rowen made it to Maric's tent before Katriel, but whatever.