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[Cerulione]

Actually I have a question for the other Alistair romancers here. Has anyone reconsidered their "canon" choice in regards to what happens to Alistair? I don't know if I have to put spoiler tags about this or not but just in case

 

Spoiler

Making him king was such a big disappointment to me in DAI, because he shows up for 2 seconds at that was it. Now I find out a Warden Alistair doesn't even mention the HoF at all if she did the Ultimate Sacrifice. My canon import was a Warden who died so I admit I'm a bit annoyed there is zero mention of her even if you choose Alistair to stay behind in the fade. I mean was expecting an emotional line before he ran towards the big spider

"Sorry I kept you waiting my love"

just SOMETHING you know? *sigh*

 

This. Making Alistair Warden, doing Morrigan's DR is the best way getting the HoF romanced lines IMO

 

I mean come on, even Cullen who appears like... less than 10 minutes scene total in DA:O got to acknowledge with past tense his feeling for my dead Amell which put tears in my eyes . Leliana (romanced) gave beautiful lines about it, alive or dead. Alistair was rather a let down if made King. Maybe because we don't get to talk to him as much as if he was warden, where we can actually ask all the things we want.

[R2s Muse]

Wait, is there supposed to be extra banter from Solas about the Dalish on the Exalted Plains? I never heard a peep from him, sigh...

I'm not sure I can say "extra." I certainly got regular banter from him. But there's so much elfy stuff around there, plus his personal quest, that it seems Solas-ful. Like, I got his banter about how rash he used to be as a young warrior, at the same time as he stood in front of a particular elven god's mural, ahem, wearing the ancient elven armor I'd just equipped on him after finding it in an elven tomb there. *sigh* 

 

It's never too much! Sometimes the best dialogue line is the one you least expect, but you'll never know that if you don't reload and have the same conversation three-six times over!

LOL On the contrary, it's too much if you've reloaded so many times over and over to hear the options and take screenshots and decide that by the time you pick one, you kinda don't give a crap (and start ESC'ing through the dialogue). *sigh* I define that as too much.

[Kaibe]

Yeah, not exactly the best excuse in the world to leave your LI behind. Especially ones that are trained fighters or have an interest in what the Warden or Hawke is doing.
I understand why they did it but the reason is weak. I try not to dwell on it.

Hawke couldn't have been in the right mind, especially when- if a mage- they bash the demon with their stick.

[Tishina]

I'm not sure I can say "extra." I certainly got regular banter from him. But there's so much elfy stuff around there, plus his personal quest, that it seems Solas-ful. Like, I got his banter about how rash he used to be as a young warrior, at the same time as he stood in front of a particular elven god's mural, ahem, wearing the ancient elven armor I'd just equipped on him after finding it in an elven tomb there. *sigh* 

 

LOL On the contrary, it's too much if you've reloaded so many times over and over to hear the options and take screenshots and decide that by the time you pick one, you kinda don't give a crap (and start ESC'ing through the dialogue). *sigh* I define that as too much.

Bleh, I took a lot of screen shots of him in front of particular statues, both on the Exalted Plains and Emerald Graves. I have not heard anything about him being a rash young warrior (or a warrior at all). And I even have him in the ancient elven armor. Double bleh.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Bleh, I took a lot of screen shots of him in front of particular statues, both on the Exalted Plains and Emerald Graves. I have not heard anything about him being a rash young warrior (or a warrior at all). And I even have him in the ancient elven armor. Double bleh.

Odd, I got him commenting on several statues of Fen'Harel in the Exalted Plains and general elven lore there. I did not get the young warrior banter though...I did get the banter where he was a wild youth.

[Cerulione]

Odd, I got him commenting on several statues of Fen'Harel in the Exalted Plains and general elven lore there. I did not get the young warrior banter though...I did get the banter where he was a wild youth.

 

Wait, Solas a wild youth? The idea does not succeed in entering my brain...

[Queen Rowan]

Actually I have a question for the other Alistair romancers here. Has anyone reconsidered their "canon" choice in regards to what happens to Alistair? I don't know if I have to put spoiler tags around this or not but just in case

 

Spoiler

Making him king was such a big disappointment to me in DAI, because he shows up for 2 seconds and that was it. I should have picked a warden Alistair import first but how was I to know. So then I went ahead with a warden import on my second playthrough and NOW I find out a Warden Alistair doesn't even mention the HoF at all if she did the Ultimate Sacrifice. My canon import was a Warden who died and was in love with Alistair so I admit I'm a bit annoyed there is zero mention of her, even if you choose Alistair to stay behind in the fade. I mean was expecting an emotional line before he ran towards the big spider

"Sorry I kept you waiting my love"

just SOMETHING you know? *sigh*

 

So I definitely did think about this when I got so little from him in DAI as king. However, having him on the throne with my Cousland is still my favorite choice from that game and I'm keeping it my canon PT. I'm keeping him as a warden for all of my DAI PTs, though, so that I get all of that amazing dialogue. I have to assume he feels the exact same way as king, we just don't get to see it so him as king with my warden remains in the Keep as my number one world state with the hopes that he has more dialogue in the future games. 

 

 

Do it do it do it

 

Oh my stars. Write it write it write it!!! I need to read that now!

 

 

Okay, okay! Maybe that will be my first long fic, and I'll post chapters periodically if you guys want?

[Thane4Ever]

They really should have added a short private convo you can have with Alistair as King somewhere in the game, either before he leaves Redcliffe after yelling at Fiona or elsewhere other than a war table letter.  He's a widely beloved character and anyone who disliked him would have probably have killed him off anyway in Origins or made him a drunk so he wouldn't have appeared in their DA:I game.

[Cerulione]

So I definitely did think about this when I got so little from him in DAI as king. However, having him on the throne with my Cousland is still my favorite choice from that game and I'm keeping it my canon PT. I'm keeping him as a warden for all of my DAI PTs, though, so that I get all of that amazing dialogue. I have to assume he feels the exact same way as king, we just don't get to see it so him as king with my warden remains in the Keep as my number one world state with the hopes that he has more dialogue in the future games. 

 

 

 

Okay, okay! Maybe that will be my first long fic, and I'll post chapters periodically if you guys want?

 

Yup!

[Queen Rowan]

They really should have added a short private convo you can have with Alistair as King somewhere in the game, either before he leaves Redcliffe after yelling at Fiona or elsewhere other than a war table letter.  He's a widely beloved character and anyone who disliked him would have probably have killed him off anyway in Origins or made him a drunk so he wouldn't have appeared in their DA:I game.

 

yea I was thinking the same thing. Like have him pull you aside and be like wtf just happened (also with Teagan by his side bc who doesn't love Teagan!). I love Alistair's humor the most and we didn't really get to see that either. His humor was kind of bitter as a warden too. I just didn't understand it because even as king in DA2 (which was fairly close to the events of DAI) he was still happy go lucky Alistair. It's not that I didn't like how much more serious he got in DAI, it's just that it confused me a bit. I guess he was more serious because of the whole warden issue but even during the blight he found time to crack jokes and shed light on the situation. 

[riverbanks]

They really should have added a short private convo you can have with Alistair as King somewhere in the game, either before he leaves Redcliffe after yelling at Fiona or elsewhere other than a war table letter.  He's a widely beloved character and anyone who disliked him would have probably have killed him off anyway in Origins or made him a drunk so he wouldn't have appeared in their DA:I game.

 

King Alistair, Queen Anora, and the pair of them, definitely should have had a decent conversation with the Inquisitor at the Royal Palace, or at Skyhold, and for players on either path of the faction choice, not just one of them. I'm a broken record always saying this, but it makes absolutely no sense that the monarch of Ferelden would just watch from a distance as this huge paramilitary organization squats in their backyard, recruits and conscripts half the soldiers in the country, mooches resources from everywhere, and starts playing god with the fates of entire nations - at the very least, they should have summoned you to Denerim to meet this famous Inquisitor properly and question them about how far they intend to go with their crusade in Fereldan territory, or even come to Skyhold themselves to see what it's all about. Those letters at the war table  really don't cut it.

[Thane4Ever]

King Alistair, Queen Anora, and the pair of them, definitely should have had a decent conversation with the Inquisitor at the Royal Palace, or at Skyhold, and for players on either path of the faction choice, not just one of them. I'm a broken record always saying this, but it makes absolutely no sense that the monarch of Ferelden would just watch from a distance as this huge paramilitary organization squats in their backyard, recruits and conscripts half the soldiers in the country, mooches resources from everywhere, and starts playing god with the fates of entire nations - at the very least, they should have summoned you to Denerim to meet this famous Inquisitor properly and question them about how far they intend to go with their crusade in Fereldan territory, or even come to Skyhold themselves to see what it's all about. Those letters at the war table  really don't cut it.

Absolutely. I wonder if that was cut content? Just seems really obvious - although aren't you technically in Orlais when you get to Skyhold?

 

Has anyone else been following this Cullen/Femquisitor fic? Normally I don't go for the bodice rippers but there's something about this I'm really digging.  Each chapter ends on a cliffhanger and she just put up the most recent one.

 

http://archiveofouro..._full_work=true

[Cantina]

Considering what Cullen says about his family in South Reach, I'm surprised we are not able to go there-close rifts etc.

 

(Sighs) Ah, well.

[QweenBeen]

ArchiveOfOurOwn.org, which is far more forgiving of mature themes than ff.n, plus has a much more freeform and comprehensive tagging system, which has a number of pros and cons. It also has more bells and whistles in general than ff.n, allowing embedded images, collections, gifts. Overall, ff.n still has higher readership, but AO3 has significantly grown within the DA fandom.

If you use it, there's a collection for the Cullen thread celebrations you can add your fic to, which I linked this afternoon.

You can sign up on your own, but it'll take forever to get an account. So I also have invites, as I mentioned in my Page 5k Update earlier.

Thanks so much for sharing this AO3 compilation! I've disappeared from this thread because I'm still reading "what we become" but I might disappear again reading everyone's fabulous work from here.

Someone posted ages ago that they felt weird playing DAO again, or couldn't get into it again. To tie into the "we need more Allistair", I've gotten so addicted to DAO again, almost more so than DAI. It doesn't feel overwhelming like DAI, and the linear paths aren't terrible. Plus, mute Warden still has hilarious lines, I totally found myself cracking up just reading the options. And Alistair, I don't know if it's because you're both wardens, but he's the most vivid companion in that game imo. He has a distinctly different way he reacts to every character (while Morrigan is just generally disgusted, Zev wants to either kill, drink or feel up everything him, etc.)

He just shines and would've been amazing with more lines as king. I get why they didn't do the Fiona thing because not everyones read the books, but he should've heard that calling and run to the Inquisition for help!

Absolutely. I wonder if that was cut content? Just seems really obvious - although aren't you technically in Orlais when you get to Skyhold?

Has anyone else been following this Cullen/Femquisitor fic? Normally I don't go for the bodice rippers but there's something about this I'm really digging. Each chapter ends on a cliffhanger and she just put up the most recent one.

http://archiveofouro..._full_work=true

Nope, but I'm about to! bodice ripping huh? A lil bit of that now and then can be refreshing

do I have to have an account with AO3 if I want to follow authors when they post new content? I'm thinking I'll contribute eventually, but not right away... if invites are burning a hole in someone's pocket, it would be greatly appreciated if I need it!

[TheRaccoon]

LOL This is a long post. Please bear with me. 

 

I have finally finished my Solasmance pt the other day. I have been procrastinating forever with this pt. The supposed-to-be-heartbreaking break up scene was hilarious for me as I didn't quite catch the break up line... It was too subtle and polite. I didn't get that at first but my Lavellan can choose to yell at him after that. Then I realised that was actually the break up line...

 

Anyway, that was not my point. In this pt, I didn't complete Leliana's the Left Hand quest and she became the Divine. That means there is also a semi-hardened Leliana as Divine candidate. I guess she is the bad ending Divine as she does carry out her plans, e.g. disband the circle etc. but she doesn't deal with the opposing forces as soften/hardened Leliana does. The Chantry is fated to crumble..

 

This makes me wonder, does Cullen have a 'default stance' with his lyrium issue? I mean what would happen to him if we do not complete his Perseverance quest? Though I imagine he would step down as a commander and  keep staying away from lyrium like he said to Cassandra if the IQ didn't intervene, I would like to see how the decision in-game would be.

 

Btw, his 1st flirt in Skyhold, ie the 'you stayed behind' flirt, would disappear upon completing either Wicked eyes or Abyss. (edit: that means he would no longer be at the courtyard. His Perseverance quest is ready to start.)

[QweenBeen]

This makes me wonder, does Cullen has a 'default stance' with his lyrium issue? I mean what would happen to him if we do not complete his Perseverance quest? Though I imagine he would step down as a commander and keep staying away from lyrium like he said to Cassandra if the IQ didn't intervene, I would like to see how the decision in-game would be.

Btw, his 1st flirt in Skyhold, ie the 'you stayed behind' flirt, would disappear upon completing either Wicked eyes or Abyss.

Hmm now that I think about it, I wonder how his default would swing. He could step down like he originally told Cassandra, but he also has that scene where he swears he wouldn't give less to the Inquisition than he did the Chantry, and he should be taking it. I think so much of his strength is dependent on the Inquisitor....I hate to think he doesn't have his own strength of will to overcome it, but when the Inquisitor takes a vested interest in him, he seems to just see more clearly...

[Cerulione]

Hmm now that I think about it, I wonder how his default would swing. He could step down like he originally told Cassandra, but he also has that scene where he swears he wouldn't give less to the Inquisition than he did the Chantry, and he should be taking it. I think so much of his strength is dependent on the Inquisitor....I hate to think he doesn't have his own strength of will to overcome it, but when the Inquisitor takes a vested interest in him, he seems to just see more clearly...

 

Actually I think that he'll not step down but he'll be back to Lyrium. His position is quite... important and he knows that Cass doesn't want to do the Commander job.

 

NOPE! My Warden kept her romanced Alistair with the Grey Wardens, and I'm not changing it for anything. Come what may, that's the decision my character made with the information she had at the time.

 

But um... let me get this straight:

Spoiler

You want to change your entire canon worldstate because you didn't get a few spoken lines in the game acknowledging your choice? 

 

What if, in the next game, it turns out that Alistair-mancers who made Alistiar King get more spoken lines acknowledging their choice whereas those who kept him with the Wardens got none? Would you change your entire canon worldstate back again just on account of that handful of lines? It seems a little... reactionary to me. Why not just be happy with the choice you made regardless of whether the voice actors mention it out loud or not? Just because the characters don't mention it doesn't mean it didn't happen, or that it won't be acknowledged in future games.

 

That's the beauty of The Keep

[TheRaccoon]

Hmm now that I think about it, I wonder how his default would swing. He could step down like he originally told Cassandra, but he also has that scene where he swears he wouldn't give less to the Inquisition than he did the Chantry, and he should be taking it. I think so much of his strength is dependent on the Inquisitor....I hate to think he doesn't have his own strength of will to overcome it, but when the Inquisitor takes a vested interest in him, he seems to just see more clearly...

 

I think this is due to the 'PC should rule and dominate NPC's life' principle. People always want to somehow affect the NPC one way or another... But then I imagine he always has the strength to overcome the crisis, he just need a little push as he is the master of second guessing. He is unsure of his decision.

 

I am thinking of testing this in-game, by allying with the templars to see what the ending slides would show. I bet they will omit the 'many templars would follow his footsteps' slide though...

[R2s Muse]

Thanks so much for sharing this AO3 compilation! I've disappeared from this thread because I'm still reading "what we become" but I might disappear again reading everyone's fabulous work from here.
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do I have to have an account with AO3 if I want to follow authors when they post new content? I'm thinking I'll contribute eventually, but not right away... if invites are burning a hole in someone's pocket, it would be greatly appreciated if I need it!

My pleasure. You do need an account to receives alerts and such. PM me if you want an invite. I just need your e-mail address to which you want AO3 to send the invite. 

 

 

I think this is due to the 'PC should rule and dominate NPC's life' principle. People always want to somehow affect the NPC one way or another... But then I imagine he always has the strength to overcome the crisis, he just need a little push as he is the master of second guessing. He is unsure of his decision.

I agree. The game wants to give you as much agency as possible so you get to meddle in everyone's business and make decisions for them. But in Cullen's case, he's went off it on his own, and has been off it for months without the Inquisitor. He could go back on it if the IQ doesn't interfere, but I think of it as second guessing as well, and that he could just as well push himself past his doubts. :shrug: I'm curious to see what you find out. 

[Queen Rowan]

NOPE! My Warden kept her romanced Alistair with the Grey Wardens, and I'm not changing it for anything. Come what may, that's the decision my character made with the information she had at the time.

 

But um... let me get this straight:

Spoiler

You want to change your entire canon worldstate because you didn't get a few spoken lines in the game acknowledging your choice? 

 

What if, in the next game, it turns out that Alistair-mancers who made Alistiar King get more spoken lines acknowledging their choice whereas those who kept him with the Wardens got none? Would you change your entire canon worldstate back again just on account of that handful of lines? It seems a little... reactionary to me. Why not just be happy with the choice you made regardless of whether the voice actors mention it out loud or not? Just because the characters don't mention it doesn't mean it didn't happen, or that it won't be acknowledged in future games.

 

I'm not trying to fight with you here. I understand why you feel the way you do, but I think everyone is entitled to play their game how they want. If that means they want to keep their canon world state from the previous games without altering it then fine. If it means they want to change it because they were disappointed with the outcome in the new game that's fine too. The beauty of the Keep is that you can do both of those things. Personally, I like to experiment with all of the options to see how different situations would play out but keep my original world state as my canon. Sometimes I even change a certain choice I made because I didn't realize the affect it would have on certain characters. It's really up to the player, and no one should feel bad about changing their world state if they want a certain event to occur/not occur. The beauty of Dragon Age is that there is always a do over button if you're not happy with the result.

[Thane4Ever]

I think this is due to the 'PC should rule and dominate NPC's life' principle. People always want to somehow affect the NPC one way or another... But then I imagine he always has the strength to overcome the crisis, he just need a little push as he is the master of second guessing. He is unsure of his decision.
 
I am thinking of testing this in-game, by allying with the templars to see what the ending slides would show. I bet they will omit the 'many templars would follow his footsteps' slide though...

So to not complete Perseverance you'd basically have to avoid speaking with Cullen completely? Such a sad thought!

[TheRaccoon]

So to not complete Perseverance you'd basically have to avoid speaking with Cullen completely? Such a sad thought!

 

...    This is the necessary sacrifice... For science!    

Actually, now that I think about it, maybe I should start the romance before Perseverance and see what would happen if I don't commit to the romance, ie no sexy time. Argh. I am such an evil person.

[QweenBeen]

I think this is due to the 'PC should rule and dominate NPC's life' principle. People always want to somehow affect the NPC one way or another... But then I imagine he always has the strength to overcome the crisis, he just need a little push as he is the master of second guessing. He is unsure of his decision.

I am thinking of testing this in-game, by allying with the templars to see what the ending slides would show. I bet they will omit the 'many templars would follow his footsteps' slide though...

Oh wait... this is a video game?? yeah of course players should totally be able to change the course of their companions lives. Bulls becoming tal vashoth and cole becoming human or not are the only two other fate changing choices I can think of besides cullen. But I'm juss sayin', if we play pretend, Cullen having the inquisitor caring one way or the other would probably make him realize he needs to get his sh*t together and he's actually pretty important to the cause. I just played Perseverance as a dude so I'm trying to see it from an unromantic perspective I guess...

... This is the necessary sacrifice... For science!
Actually, now that I think about it, maybe I should start the romance before Perseverance and see what would happen if I don't commit to the romance, ie no sexy time. Argh. I am such an evil person.

Whaaa? Skipping out on sexxy time?! You're only hurtin' yourself!! Cullen will just marry his work again, but you'll be missin' out!

[Tishina]

Not everyone does "cannon" world states. I thoroughly enjoy all of my Wardens and don't see any of them as "cannon." I have fun pairing them up with Inquisitors. The only changes I have intentionally made to what I did in DAO were to change a couple of PTs to things I didn't know were possible and don't want to replay just to actually create those worlds. But honestly, what alterations someone makes to a WS, cannon or otherwise, really only matters to that person. It's just handy that the keep allows us to make changes rather than having to replay to create those worlds.