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I'd been wondering, what prompts Morrigan to go through the eluvian if Kieran doesn't exist?

Without Keiran, the whole scene is quite different (e.g. no eluvian).

 

Or...do you mean in general?  Like, before the events of the Inquisition?  If that, I assume she is just on her big ole quest for knowledge, that sort of thing. 



#125427
Cerulione

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You know you spend too much time online when you see people freaking out and your reaction is just "Oh... it's just the penis scale thing." 

 

Whoops...

 

I'd been wondering, what prompts Morrigan to go through the eluvian if Kieran doesn't exist?

 

My first PT Kieran doesn't exist (Amell Ultimate Sacrifice). IIRC she said something about preserving old magics or things like that. I'll try to find my save & rewatch when I get back home.



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Without Keiran, the whole scene is quite different (e.g. no eluvian).

 

Or...do you mean in general?  Like, before the events of the Inquisition?  If that, I assume she is just on her big ole quest for knowledge, that sort of thing. 

 

Ah no I meant the scene where she meets Flemeth in particular.  I know if Kieran exists he activates the eluvian and runs through and then Morrigan finds them together, so I wondered basically how and where Morrigan and the Inquisitor meet Flemeth if Keiran isn't there.



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Ah no I meant the scene where she meets Flemeth in particular.  I know if Kieran exists he activates the eluvian and runs through and then Morrigan finds them together, so I wondered basically how and where Morrigan and the Inquisitor meet Flemeth if Keiran isn't there.

The scene plays differently and I'm not sure they go through. I've seen part of the scene, but it was a version when the IQ drank from the well as well

 

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#125430
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Ah no I meant the scene where she meets Flemeth in particular. I know if Kieran exists he activates the eluvian and runs through and then Morrigan finds them together, so I wondered basically how and where Morrigan and the Inquisitor meet Flemeth if Keiran isn't there.

If Kieran doesn't exist, you and Morrigan go to the... [insert name of the place here, I forget now] to summon Mythal, at Morrigan's behest. She wants to use the knowledge of the well (either her own or yours) to get some kind of boom from Mythal that might help you defeat Coryfish. That's where you meet Flemeth, and the scene between them goes about the same, minus the Kieran drama. I quite like how poignant Flemeth's line about how Morrigan was never in any danger from her gets through this path, since it's directed straight at her and not dilluted in her paranoia about Kieran.

Anyway, this is the place where you fight the dragon if you drink from the well, so if you've done that, you've seen this place before. If you've chosen to drink and don't have the kid in your game, the fight with the dragon begins immediately after Flemeth leaves. If not, Morrigan just stands there realizing all her running was in vain and she's bound to Flemeth forever now, and you just... leave. Rather anticlimatic after all that, lol.
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#125431
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This is what I was thinking, too. Maybe I'll have to go rewatch that. Um, for science... (not because I love watching him walk before he lights the veil fire... nooope )

 
You know I've realized that that walk is the exact same walk that Cassandra does when she comes walking up to the Inquisitor as they're overlooking the party at Haven just after you close the breach... And I mean the exact same, same steps, same track, the only thing that's different is the way Solas sticks out his arm to light the torch. >_>

 

Ah no I meant the scene where she meets Flemeth in particular.  I know if Kieran exists he activates the eluvian and runs through and then Morrigan finds them together, so I wondered basically how and where Morrigan and the Inquisitor meet Flemeth if Keiran isn't there.

You travel to a separate altar of Mythal to summon Mythal. That's when Flemeth shows up.
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#125432
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You know I've realized that that walk is the exact same walk that Cassandra does when she comes walking up to the Inquisitor as they're overlooking the party at Haven just after you close the breach... And I mean the exact same, same steps, same track, the only thing that's different is the way Solas sticks out his arm to light the torch. >_>

Yeah, I noticed something similar myself. I view it as a bug that they have Solas's awesome freaking distinctive walk to Cass!!! (:P)


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#125433
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No, I could swear someone said something to that effect in game. I couldn't have made it up. (which of course probably means that I'm wrong since I'd actually be willing to bet on it... and I always lose. ^_^ )

 

Hmmm, I'll have to keep thinking. 

Yeah, he says that it's elven, but I'm pretty sure he never mentioned that each elven god had one.



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agree. Didn't someone even say flat out at some point that each orb was dedicated to an elven God? I'm in that state where I can't keep straight what I know and what my poor Solasmancing IQ knows on this playthrough. :crying:

 

Yeah, I think this has all been figured out by now, but Solas is the one who says it when lighting the Narnia lamp.



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Yeah, he says that it's elven, but I'm pretty sure he never mentioned that each elven god had one.

Wasn't it just something fans inferred from Flemeth saying "you should not have given your orb to Corydicks?"

 

I don't recall this ever being stated as an outright fact. But I haven't played in months so I'm lore rusty right now.  -_-


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#125436
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Just checked. Nowhere does he mention the gods.

 



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Wasn't it just something fans inferred from Flemeth saying "you should not have given your orb to Corydicks?"

 

I don't recall this ever being stated as an outright fact. 

Exactly. It's pure speculation just based on the information we have thus far.



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I like that one a lot.  :wub:

 

You know you spend too much time online when you see people freaking out and your reaction is just "Oh... it's just the penis scale thing." 

:lol:  Sounds like something you need a shot against  :o   :lol:



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Yeah, I noticed something similar myself. I view it as a bug that they have Solas's awesome freaking distinctive walk to Cass!!! ( :P)

Hey, it looks great on both of them! Why not? I like graceful men.


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#125440
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Hey, it looks great on both of them! Why not? I like graceful men.

Yeah they share a lot of animation assets in this game, that is just one example. I still like it though. Good job mo-cap actor! Also nice job whoever did Cullen. I wonder if all of those little touches he does (I assume it's a male actor) with the Inquisitor was improvised or if they said "No, you need to touch her more, you're a very tactile person".  I'm not talking about the big ones like the face cradling, but the little caresses (especially when you can only see from flycam).



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Yeah, he says that it's elven, but I'm pretty sure he never mentioned that each elven god had one.

He basically sort of does. 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=xiRNA7Nsdrc



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Yeah they share a lot of animation assets in this game, that is just one example. I still like it though. Good job mo-cap actor! Also nice job whoever did Cullen. I wonder if all of those little touches he does (I assume it's a male actor) with the Inquisitor was improvised or if they said "No, you need to touch her more, you're a very tactile person".  I'm not talking about the big ones like the face cradling, but the little caresses (especially when you can only see from flycam).

 

Are we sure they even used mo-cap for this game? I thought I remember reading somewhere that they didn't. 



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Are we sure they even used mo-cap for this game? I thought I remember reading somewhere that they didn't. 

If they didn't then my mind is even more blown. I know it's not the voice actors doing it like in Last of Us and Beyond Two Souls, but it's so damn realistic. Also one of the lead designers was tweeting recently about filming mo-cap scenes (obviously a different game) so the studio does use it. I've had such a hard time finding behind the scenes deets on DAI, if anyone has some, please share! All I've seen are those mock interviews at Bioware.



#125444
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Hi, girls! Such a question - no one tried to create in the editor Man(M-Protagonist) similar to Cullen? 

My attempts were unsuccessful.

I did, and mine were also unsuccessful. I posted them a while back and it's not worth posting again - ha. He could have maybe been his brother or cousin! I gave up after a while.



#125445
MelissaGT

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Some faces just seem way too unique to make in the CC. Maybe it's just my severe lack of skills with making M!Humans, but it seems like they all look very similar, even the ones in the "post your inquisitor" thread.



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OK whew ...read all those pages. :D

 

 

When it comes ti recreating main characters in the CC.

 

Its hard to do so. Why? Most gaming companies have a special CC to create important characters. Allowing the designers more control over how the character looks. The same can be said for the lower body. Sometimes one designer will create the whole character while other times, one designer will create the head and another will create the lower body. It all depends on how they choose to do it. Thus these characters are given unique features that are not available in the CC we use. Basically think of this way, they use a powerful CC and we get the low end version.

 

As for Motion capture. No they did not use it for this game. When they relaunched the Tomb Raider franchise they used it for that game, but not this one.

 

Generally voice actors are taken into a booth, and are given a a computer screen attached or near their mic. The monitor will tell the actor what line needs to be said and how to say it: angry, scared etc. Lets say a line calls for to be angry. The voice actor will then say the line and if its not right they repeat until they do so. Some companies will use the voice to screen option. The voice actor has a monitor in which he/she can see the scene play out with the character they are voicing. Then they use that as a means to get an idea how the character should react.

 

After seeing videos of the voice actors in action, it sounds like they were just given a screen with their lines and how to react. Thus have to repeat until the lines are acted out correctly.

 

 


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#125447
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Some faces just seem way too unique to make in the CC. Maybe it's just my severe lack of skills with making M!Humans, but it seems like they all look very similar, even the ones in the "post your inquisitor" thread.

Considering what you manage to accomplish in the CC with female IQs, I doubt it's your lack of skills, lol. Though maybe people tend to the same two or three looks because they're considered "hot" right now? I haven't tried the male CC yet myself...



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They did some mocap for DAI but I think it was for combat animations.


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#125449
Cantina

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They did some mocap for DAI but I think it was for combat animations.

 

That would not surprise me, seeing as a lot of gaming companies are doing that now.

 

 

I cannot imagine G.E. in one of those suits...<giggles>



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Considering what you manage to accomplish in the CC with female IQs, I doubt it's your lack of skills, lol. Though maybe people tend to the same two or three looks because they're considered "hot" right now? I haven't tried the male CC yet myself...

 

For all three of my male elves so far I've used John Epler's "hot elf guy" he posted to Twitter a couple months ago as my base. So... they all kind of look alike. It's because there's no Black Emporium yet, and I KNOW this look works, and I'm afraid if I try something different I'll end up with a face only a mother could love xD

 

Having different hairstyles will help dramatically, but tbh, I always used the same face for my Hawke's, too, and I must've had about 20 of them.


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