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[Sephirona]

I've responded via PM since you're persisting with this.

 

I'm sorry you feel that it's still an issue, I didn't mean to escalate anything, really. I'll respond in the PM as well.

 

It's a good thing that my little elf in Skyhold does not like to draw or this might happen...

 

 

Spoiler

 

Sorry for the very silly drawings. I am in need of laugh.

 

Your style of drawing is adorable, I love the facial expressions! It's chibified and yet I can feel the appreciation emanating from Cullen's face as he holds the Quizzy's gift.

 

 

Has this one been done?

http://mmoboys.tumbl...-cullen-yes-not

 

Is that photoshopped, or are these people actually using 3D modeling software to do things like this? *0* I think it's photoshopped but some of the...things...on that page look very well rendered. LOL. ahem.

[Annarl]

Has this one been done?

http://mmoboys.tumbl...-cullen-yes-not

Wow that is really nice. 

Though I think the advisors might notice that!

[timebean]

Does this mean a new chapter will be out?

 Yep!  I am just trying to understand a bit more about the fade, since I am on the fade chapter.  I always assumed spirits kinda act out our dreams for us...like a play they pull from our memories.  But someone (R2 maybe?) said they thought of it more that the demons are watching are dreams and learning about our world form that.  Then I got to thinking more about drakspawn and how they fit into the fade stuff, and then I got all confused about how templars and mages use lyrium to do two very different things.  i basically just need a good rundown of how it all works!!

 

And I did get excellent feedback from all before with the original post (much appreciated).  I just wanted to get Elu's take on it.

 

Chapter almost done!!!  a few more days!

[Hellion Rex]

ELU!!!  I have a quick question for you!!!  Do darkspawn dream? (I asked a few days back, and folks said you might know)...

 

And if tempalrs block mana and the fade. do they dream less while on lyrium?  And how does this work with mages, who use lyrium to actually access the fade?  Any input?

 

Typing quickly...my original post was much more coherent...

 

Ah, yup, this is definitely my territory.

 

Darkspawn - we don't have any clue, though my belief is yes. Similar to how Grey Wardens dream of the Calling, Taint, Archdemon, etc., I believe that darkspawn exhibit some form of connection to the Fade via a form of dreaming. However, it's all simple speculation.

 

As to Templars, their abilities (as described in a dialogue between Cass and Solas) don't so much block the Fade as reinforce the boundaries of reality, denying the mage the ability to use the Fade and reshape the world around them. As a result, their own dreaming should theoretically not be affected, as their abilities and powers do nothing to dampen or damage their own personal Fade connection, which is what allows them to dream.

 

As for mages, a little bit of background - when mages dream, their minds allow them to remain perfectly aware of what they dreaming (basically lucid dreaming) and even shape the nature of their dreams. When using lyrium, mages are able to theoretically send their mind into the Fade at any time without needing to be asleep. So their use of lyrium, while it greatly enhances their powers, does not affect their ability to dream during sleep. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it even made them able to better control their dreams.

 

Dreamer mages are the exception to the rule, as they have the power to send their minds into the Fade whenever and wherever they want, without the need of lyrium. And while in the Fade, a dreamer has immense power and capability to control the Fade while their mind is within its bounds.

[Ryriena]

You are most welcome! Happy to help!
 
 
LOL!

that post got deleted even though it was in spoilers :/

[Tarlonniel]

that post got deleted even though it was in spoilers :/

 

Uh oh... mod ninjas are about...

[Ryriena]

Uh oh... mod ninjas are about...

They really are like ninjas lol

[Cerulione]

I'm sorry you feel that it's still an issue, I didn't mean to escalate anything, really. I'll respond in the PM as well.

 

 

Your style of drawing is adorable, I love the facial expressions! It's chibified and yet I can feel the appreciation emanating from Cullen's face as he holds the Quizzy's gift.

 

 

 

Is that photoshopped, or are these people actually using 3D modeling software to do things like this? *0* I think it's photoshopped but some of the...things...on that page look very well rendered. LOL. ahem.

 

Thanks

 

I'm in serious need of a break & laugh. Shading exercise is really interesting but it can be rather frustrating when I massacred R2s' pretty inquisitor...

 

Seriously Seph, if ever Cullen's in a room full of fanartists...

 

 

 

that post got deleted even though it was in spoilers :/

 

It's still in my quote. I quote Cantina's post containing the link...

[timebean]

Ah, yup, this is definitely my territory.

 

Darkspawn - we don't have any clue, though my belief is yes. Similar to how Grey Wardens dream of the Calling, Taint, Archdemon, etc., I believe that darkspawn exhibit some form of connection to the Fade via a form of dreaming. However, it's all simple speculation.

 

As to Templars, their abilities (as described in a dialogue between Cass and Solas) don't so much block the Fade as reinforce the boundaries of reality, denying the mage the ability to use the Fade and reshape the world around them. As a result, their own dreaming should theoretically not be affected, as their abilities and powers do nothing to dampen or damage their own personal Fade connection, which is what allows them to dream.

 

As for mages, a little bit of background - when mages dream, their minds allow them to remain perfectly aware of what they dreaming (basically lucid dreaming) and even shape the nature of their dreams. When using lyrium, mages are able to theoretically send their mind into the Fade at any time without needing to be asleep. So their use of lyrium, while it greatly enhances their powers, does not affect their ability to dream during sleep. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it even made them able to better control their dreams.

 

Dreamer mages are the exception to the rule, as they have the power to send their minds into the Fade whenever and wherever they want, without the need of lyrium. And while in the Fade, a dreamer has immense power and capability to control the Fade while their mind is within its bounds.

I KNEW I COULD COUNT ON YOU!!!

 

THIS!!!!  is exactly what I needed.  I was pretty close on the lucid dreaming bit with the mages.  Interesting about the templars, but I think i get it now. Reinforce reality...good phrasing.  So cullen's dreams getting worse without lyrium are more of a withdrawal thing...not a "I can't stop the fade from getting me in my sleep thing"?

 

One more tiny thing...when dreaming, do the dreams come from our minds and the spirits just sorta watch (and interact with the mages, if the mage allows), or are dreams created by the fade by spirits (ie, like they project our subconscious for us)?  Do we know?

 

Sorry for OT everyone (although it does relate to Cullen as well), but I have been dying to know the answer to this!!!

[Tarlonniel]

As for mages, a little bit of background - when mages dream, their minds allow them to remain perfectly aware of what they dreaming (basically lucid dreaming) and even shape the nature of their dreams. When using lyrium, mages are able to theoretically send their mind into the Fade at any time without needing to be asleep.

 

One thing I've always been confused about - what's the advantage to a mage of going into the Fade awake vs. asleep? There obviously is one, a big one, since we've seen important events - the Harrowing, the Joining in Origins, rescuing Connor - require it, but the reasons were never spelled out.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

*reads the last few pages* Interesting. *sips some coffee and goes back to typing*

[Hellion Rex]

I KNEW I COULD COUNT ON YOU!!!

 

THIS!!!!  is exactly what I needed.  I was pretty close on the lucid dreaming bit with the mages.  Interesting about the templars, but I think i get it now. Reinforce reality...good phrasing.  So cullen's dreams getting worse without lyrium are more of a withdrawal thing...not a "I can't stop the fade from getting me in my sleep thing"?

 

One more tiny thing...when dreaming, do the dreams come from our minds and the spirits just sorta watch (and interact with the mages, if the mage allows), or are dreams created by the fade by spirits (ie, like they project our subconscious for us)?  Do we know?

 

Sorry for OT everyone (although it does relate to Cullen as well), but I have been dying to know the answer to this!!!

Yeah, Cullen's dreams are entirely withdrawal related as well as stress related.

 

As to the dreaming....it gets complicated. From what I personally understand, this is how it theoretically works.

 

When a person or mage dreams, a small space in the Fade, a bubble if you will, is created. Within the bubble, your mind shapes and fills the area with familiar or unfamiliar things. However, that small dreamer space is permeable, allowing demons and spirits to enter into it. 9 times out of 10, I would say that most spiritual entities, demonic or otherwise, would not enter into your space, but would simply watch. Not unless your dreaming..."energy" is high. And by that, I mean that if you are a mage, or if you are person undergoing an extreme emotion like immense amounts of despair (perhaps even suicidally so). In that regard, you would attract a demon or spirit in your dreams. Once within, the entity can easily blend in and manipulate your dreams to suit their needs, even though your own mind technically holds the final authority in that space. A spirit of compassion or mercy might change things to give you solace and peace. Or a demon could feed off your despair and change the dream into a nightmare.

[timebean]

Yeah, Cullen's dreams are entirely withdrawal related as well as stress related.

 

As to the dreaming....it gets complicated. From what I personally understand, this is how it theoretically works.

 

When a person or mage dreams, a small space in the Fade, a bubble if you will, is created. Within the bubble, your mind shapes and fills the area with familiar or unfamiliar things. However, that small dreamer space is permeable, allowing demons and spirits to enter into it. 9 times out of 10, I would say that most spiritual entities, demonic or otherwise, would not enter into your space, but would simply watch. Not unless your dreaming..."energy" is high. And by that, I mean that if you are a mage, or if you are person undergoing an extreme emotion like immense amounts of despair (perhaps even suicidally so). In that regard, you would attract a demon or spirit in your dreams. Once within, the entity can easily blend in and manipulate your dreams to suit their needs, even though your own mind technically holds the final authority in that space. A spirit of compassion or mercy might change things to give you solace and peace. Or a demon could feed off your despair and change the dream into a nightmare.

Dig the bubble analogy...also makes sense in terms of the DAO fade sequence, where everyone was in their own little bubble (and each bubble had it's own symbol cause...it looked cool?)

 

This helps alot!!  Thank you so much!!!

[Hellion Rex]

One thing I've always been confused about - what's the advantage to a mage of going into the Fade awake vs. asleep? There obviously is one, a big one, since we've seen important events - the Harrowing, the Joining in Origins, rescuing Connor - require it, but the reasons were never spelled out.

Well, it really depends. Most times, a mage would not have any reason to go into the Fade while awake, because the lyrium requirement is pretty high to pull it off. However, some might do it for magical research - in WoT, there was an entry about a magister who spent years trying to map the different Ways within the Fade. And in the case of the woman who studied the Nightmare, she sent herself into the Fade to try and find that specific demon, even though it ended in the Knight Commander having to slay the possessed woman and about a dozen other people due to the demon's strength.

 

As of now, the only benefits we know of are: freeing a mage from possession, the Harrowing, and magical research.

 

Wait, why are you talking about the Joining?

[CuriousArtemis]

It's a good thing that my little elf in Skyhold does not like to draw or this might happen...

 

 

Spoiler

 

Sorry for the very silly drawings. I am in need of laugh.

 

You're killing me with these!!!

[Cantina]

 

Yeah, Cullen's dreams are entirely withdrawal related as well as stress related.

 

As to the dreaming....it gets complicated. From what I personally understand, this is how it theoretically works.

 

When a person or mage dreams, a small space in the Fade, a bubble if you will, is created. Within the bubble, your mind shapes and fills the area with familiar or unfamiliar things. However, that small dreamer space is permeable, allowing demons and spirits to enter into it. 9 times out of 10, I would say that most spiritual entities, demonic or otherwise, would not enter into your space, but would simply watch. Not unless your dreaming..."energy" is high. And by that, I mean that if you are a mage, or if you are person undergoing an extreme emotion like immense amounts of despair (perhaps even suicidally so). In that regard, you would attract a demon or spirit in your dreams. Once within, the entity can easily blend in and manipulate your dreams to suit their needs, even though your own mind technically holds the final authority in that space. A spirit of compassion or mercy might change things to give you solace and peace. Or a demon could feed off your despair and change the dream into a nightmare.

 

Which then makes me wonder if the lyrium in one's system has the chance to attract demons...as like the magic "calls" the demons, much like the song effects wardens.

 

Thus I wonder too if both mages and templars do not sleep for long periods of time like those without lyrium. In turn it leads to wonder (again) if the longer a mage is asleep the higher chance of becoming an abomination.

[CuriousArtemis]

Oh, you sweet summer child...

 

Well I don't have one, so how would I know?!

[Hellion Rex]

Dig the bubble analogy...also makes sense in terms of the DAO fade sequence, where everyone was in their own little bubble (and each bubble had it's own symbol cause...it looked cool?)

 

This helps alot!!  Thank you so much!!!

I wanna say that the DAO Fade sequence is a little different, cause the sloth demon not only forcibly created dreamer demesnes, but he could control them entirely. He also was able to link them all together, which isn't normal. In hindsight, that sloth demon was extremely powerful and was definitely of an upper tier.

[Tarlonniel]

Wait, why are you talking about the Joining?

 

Upon arrival at Ostagar you come across a bunch of mages in strange animation loops who, a Templar nearby tells you, are in the Faaaaaade. Because something about a Grey Warden ritual. It's never really explained further.

[Sephirona]

Thanks

 

I'm in serious need of a break & laugh. Shading exercise is really interesting but it can be rather frustrating when I massacred R2s' pretty inquisitor...

 

Seriously Seph, if ever Cullen's in a room full of fanartists...

 

 

Oh yeah, shading can be a killer. I still have a ton of trouble with very chiseled faces such as Cullen's because there are so many details you need to be extra careful with. It would be a lot simpler to smooth out his face into a more generic style, but as we've discussed on this thread before I feel like the nooks n' crannies of Cullen's face tell a story...and I'd hate to lose that. If you make a crease or plane too dark, it totally changes the contours of his face - and that's assuming you've mapped all the distances between his features correctly already, too. Rendering is tough ;v;

 

If Cullen were to exist in real life, there would be some mighty reality warping going on, and if that's the case, I am totally of a mind to think that multiple Cullens would exist at once (because why not? The laws of the universe are being changed and if he's in our dimension other Cullens from other peoples' parallel universes might be possible as well~). Point being that we could then all acquaint ourselves with our very own Cullen and then have all the time in the world to study him for our paintings. Awww yeeeeeaaaaah--okay, I should stop thinking about Rose and the Tenth Doctor now

 

Ah, yup, this is definitely my territory.

 

-snip-

 

Thanks for summarizing everything so concisely! I admit I'm not as knowledgeable about Dragon Age's lore as I should be so this will be really cool to keep around as a reference.

[timebean]

Which then makes me wonder if the lyrium in one's system has the chance to attract demons...as like the magic "calls" the demons, much like the song effects wardens.

 

Thus I wonder too if both mages and templars do not sleep for long periods of time like those without lyrium. In turn it leads to wonder (again) if the longer a mage is asleep the higher chance of becoming an abomination.

OOOHHH....like if they went into a coma???  That could be an amazing fanfic!!!

[Hellion Rex]

Which then makes me wonder if the lyrium in one's system has the chance to attract demons...as like the magic "calls" the demons, much like the song effects wardens.

 

Thus I wonder too if both mages and templars do not sleep for long periods of time like those without lyrium. In turn it leads to wonder (again) if the longer a mage is asleep the higher chance of becoming an abomination.

In my opinion, lyrium alone wouldn't attract demons. If it were so, Templars would have had to be much more careful about the applications of their powers. It would have to be magic that attracts the demons in the waking world.

 

Templars have no more to fear from the demons in their dreams than normal people. As to the mages though, yes, the longer a mage is asleep, there is a higher chance for possession to occur. Granted, each mage's situation is different, and I would think that a less powerful mage might not experience as many attempts at demonic possession as a more powerful one.

[Cantina]

OOOHHH....like if they went into a coma???  That could be an amazing fanfic!!!

 

Right exactly.

 

The whole less sleep has me thinking because in The Arbor Wilds it mentioned that Cullen has only slept for no more then an hour three days running.

 

I am not sure if this is because of what is going on-the war, with-drawl or perhaps its a habit formed from the years being a Templar that they do not sleep as much. It could of course be all thee above.

 

Great. Now the wheels are spinning in my head.

[timebean]

I wanna say that the DAO Fade sequence is a little different, cause the sloth demon not only forcibly created dreamer demesnes, but he could control them entirely. He also was able to link them all together, which isn't normal. In hindsight, that sloth demon was extremely powerful and was definitely of an upper tier.

Good point to think on, since that is the chapter I am writing...this really has been very helpful.

In that instance then, a powerful demon like the sloth demon can create dream-scapes to effectively trap someone dreaming.  This is an important point, meethinks. Demons can feed almost directly off of dreamers who fall into their web...

Makes me also wonder about our dream bubbles...Is there some designated area of the fade where dreamers usually go versus dangerous parts where they could trapped...lots to ponder...

[Cantina]

In my opinion, lyrium alone wouldn't attract demons. If it were so, Templars would have had to be much more careful about the applications of their powers. It would have to be magic that attracts the demons in the waking world.

 

Templars have no more to fear from the demons in their dreams than normal people. As to the mages though, yes, the longer a mage is asleep, there is a higher chance for possession to occur. Granted, each mage's situation is different, and I would think that a less powerful mage might not experience as many attempts at demonic possession as a more powerful one.

 

But then it brings me back to the event in DA2. 

 

While in The Fade, The Shade you encounter seems to be drawn to the magic. Maybe its only certain demons?

 

Thus I wonder if a Templar is in the Fade they are able to dispel demons with their powers and/or dispel their own powers to not attract the attention of demons.