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I would've been much happier with the option of making our Inquisitor already a Templar when the game started. Then they could struggle with the issues of what was happening to the Order, where it was going, whether they wanted to be a part of that anymore, contemplating the idea of going off lyrium completely.... did I just describe Cullen immediately prior to joining the Inquisition? I think I did. *facepalm* I want to play Cullen, apparently. ^_^


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Maybe try networking? You know writers on here, maybe they can suggest people to start a discussion with? I'm more or less outside fanfic networks, so all I can do is suggest possibilities, lol.

 

But I don't wanna!  :lol:

 

My job is networking - I spend 40+ hours a week networking...I'm networked up the yang and am tired!  :P


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I would've been much happier with the option of making our Inquisitor already a Templar when the game started. Then they could struggle with the issues of what was happening to the Order, where it was going, whether they wanted to be a part of that anymore, contemplating the idea of going off lyrium completely.... did I just describe Cullen immediately prior to joining the Inquisition? I think I did. *facepalm* I want to play with Cullen, apparently. ^_^

 

Fixed! :P


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For some reason I couldn't fall asleep last night and I saw Greendelle's art right before I went to bed. I swear I am not exaggerating when I say this - I said "oh my god" out loud, grabbed my chest, put my hands on my face and made another weird noise. And then proceeded to stare at it a few more times on my iPad before falling asleep. My husband is out of town and I still probably would have reacted the same way except I might have kept the noises to a minimum. I really do think she makes him hotter than the game version, which didn't seem possible. 

 

I received a writing prompt about a wet Cullen and I know Fatally Procrastinating asked Gdelle if she could write for that piece, so it's "insipring" lots of writers!!



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I would've been much happier with the option of making our Inquisitor already a Templar when the game started. Then they could struggle with the issues of what was happening to the Order, where it was going, whether they wanted to be a part of that anymore, contemplating the idea of going off lyrium completely.... did I just describe Cullen immediately prior to joining the Inquisition? I think I did. *facepalm* I want to play Cullen, apparently. ^_^

Ohh - can you imagine a DLC where you play as Cullen? We talked about that a while back but I think I was suggesting you play as Cassandra just prior to the IQ formation, you recruit Cullen etc.


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Fixed! :P

 

Oh, yes, of course. Play with Cullen. I know he prefers chess, but I lean more towards Scrabble, or perhaps doing crossword puzzles together.... :P



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Oh, yes, of course. Play with Cullen. I know he prefers chess, but I lean more towards Scrabble, or perhaps doing crossword puzzles together.... :P

 

Playing with Cullen. I have a much more NSFW game in mind... -_-

 

This forum had ruined my innocence, if this concept had ever existed... <_<


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Well the good news is last night, "The Beast" has been built. Bad news is no projection on the T.V. or monitor. Working on troubleshooting it. Good Times.

 

Anyways...

 

I know what you mean Mel. I've been having a blast playing my Cullen/Mage romance. Probably why I repeat it so much. :o

 

Working on writing my Inquisitor's back story-which is going to take a while. Being a former heavy RPG I have to make sure its as perfect as possible. :P



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Oh, yes, of course. Play with Cullen. I know he prefers chess, but I lean more towards Scrabble, or perhaps doing crossword puzzles together.... :P

Riiiiight. And I am sure once you two are done, you'll say goodnight and go to your separate bedrooms. :P

 

Playing with Cullen. I have a much more NSFW game in mind... -_-

 

This forum had ruined my innocence, if this concept had ever existed... <_<

 

Hard to lose something you never had. LOL! :P


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I would've been much happier with the option of making our Inquisitor already a Templar when the game started. Then they could struggle with the issues of what was happening to the Order, where it was going, whether they wanted to be a part of that anymore, contemplating the idea of going off lyrium completely.... did I just describe Cullen immediately prior to joining the Inquisition? I think I did. *facepalm* I want to play Cullen, apparently. ^_^

These are exactly the issues I wanted to see explored with Cullen, actually. I'm still a little disappointed that it felt like his allegiance to the Order was a little brushed under the rug. I really expected him to be a templar forever in some ways, whether he was technically employed by them or not, and he really was so much more divorced from the Order than I expected. I'm still processing that part.

 

So there's Plot Bunny #459. 


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These are exactly the issues I wanted to see explored with Cullen, actually. I'm still a little disappointed that it felt like his allegiance to the Order was a little brushed under the rug. I really expected him to be a templar forever in some ways, whether he was technically employed by them or not, and he really was so much more divorced from the Order than I expected. I'm still processing that part.

 

So there's Plot Bunny #459. 

 

I dunno.

 

For me I liked how it was.

 

Considering all the crap Cullen has been through when he was apart of the Order, I'm surprised after the events in Fereldan he did not just say, "Screw this."

 

Granted it is a little weird not seeing him in his Templar dress but that has been fading.



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These are exactly the issues I wanted to see explored with Cullen, actually. I'm still a little disappointed that it felt like his allegiance to the Order was a little brushed under the rug. I really expected him to be a templar forever in some ways, whether he was technically employed by them or not, and he really was so much more divorced from the Order than I expected. I'm still processing that part.

 

So there's Plot Bunny #459. 

That plot is totally in your wheelhouse, R2. 


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Riiiiight. And I am sure once you two are done, you'll say goodnight and go to your separate bedrooms. :P

 

What? Of course not, silly.

 

We'd raid the kitchen for a late-night snack, then retire to our separate bedrooms. I wonder if Cullen would be a cold pepperoni pizza type of guy...


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What? Of course not, silly.

 

We'd raid the kitchen for a late-night snack, then retire to our separate bedrooms. I wonder if Cullen would be a cold pepperoni pizza type of guy...

 

He certainly would like to ask you that...<coughs> and follow through. ;)



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That plot is totally in your wheelhouse, R2. 

Yeah, I'm thinking that now that I'm post-DAI, I might have to write some more pre-DAI stuff. LOL! 


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And thus the vicious cycle of fanfic continues. Maker, will we ever learn? *single tear*


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I agree! Ninetozero often laments the lack of Cullne/Warrior Templar pairings and i have to agree. That chunk of the fanbase is missing from the fanfic portion of things. I can't do it though, cause it is hard for me to tap into the warrior/religious mindset (...)

 

I see my name being invoked and rise from the grave to haunt ya. *poorly made wind noises*

 

I have written idle snippets and pieces related to my own Templar Inquisitor who's romancing Cullen here and there for myself, but I hadn't actually considered publishing them because it doesn't seem like there's much interest in that stuff anyway, to be honest. I don't know if it's a self-reinforcing circle of the more mage fic there is because that's what people enjoy writing the more people write it because it's all they see people reading the more people read it because it's all they find etc etc; or if there's genuinely such less interest in reading about Cullen with anything but a mage that the rare non-mage fics get so little attention, so... in the end I up writing these thingies just to savor them myself. I wonder if more warrior and rogue writers feel that way too and if that kind of self-defeating reclusion only reinforces the circle even more. It's an interesting meta/fourth wall question.

 

But it's also really cool to see that there is interest in different approaches to Cullen's romance with less conventional Inquisitors, and it does inspire me to whine less and just work harder in ~being the change I want to see~ and all ;) so maybe more warrior/rogue (and hey, even non-Trevelyan/non-Lavellan Inquisitor) writers will feel inspired to write more too. Maybe we all should be writing more. :P There's always a lot of good ideas going around in this thread that would make for very interesting fiction.

 

Who knows, by the rate we tend to work through pages, maybe 6k will come up soon and I'll frenzy myself into writing something with Templar quizzie for that milestone. :lol:


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I see my name being invoked and rise from the grave to haunt ya. *poorly made wind noises*

 

I have written idle snippets and pieces related to my own Templar Inquisitor who's romancing Cullen here and there for myself, but I hadn't actually considered publishing them because it doesn't seem like there's much interest in that stuff anyway, to be honest. I don't know if it's a self-reinforcing circle of the more mage fic there is because that's what people enjoy writing the more people write it because it's all they see people reading the more people read it because it's all they find etc etc; or if there's genuinely such less interest in reading about Cullen with anything but a mage that the rare non-mage fics get so little attention, so... in the end I up writing these thingies just to savor them myself. I wonder if more warrior and rogue writers feel that way too and if that kind of self-defeating reclusion only reinforces the circle even more. It's an interesting meta/fourth wall question.

 

But it's also really cool to see that there is interest in different approaches to Cullen's romance with less conventional Inquisitors, and it does inspire me to whine less and just work harder in ~being the change I want to see~ and all ;) so maybe more warrior/rogue (and hey, even non-Trevelyan/non-Lavellan Inquisitor) writers will feel inspired to write more too. Maybe we all should be writing more. :P There's always a lot of good ideas going around in this thread that would make for very interesting fiction.

 

Who knows, by the rate we tend to work through pages, maybe 6k will come up soon and I'll frenzy myself into writing something with Templar quizzie for that milestone. :lol:

Hey now. I think Templar Inquisitors certainly have a lot of cool characterization to work with, particularly since Cullen himself is weaning off lyrium. Provides a lot of good opportunities.

 

I only tend to write mages just cause I just love mages in general, and I kinda don't know how to write anything else in Dragon Age.

 

 

 

I see my name being invoked and rise from the grave to haunt ya. *poorly made wind noises*

This made me cackle.


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These are exactly the issues I wanted to see explored with Cullen, actually. I'm still a little disappointed that it felt like his allegiance to the Order was a little brushed under the rug. I really expected him to be a templar forever in some ways, whether he was technically employed by them or not, and he really was so much more divorced from the Order than I expected. I'm still processing that part.

 

So there's Plot Bunny #459. 

I think I can say that had my once trusted boss gone bat sh!t crazy and proclaimed all *insert whatever things* are evil and should be destroyed without exception, I may choose to divorce myself from the institution completely as well. Cullen is still there fighting the good fight - just on a new team now. Plus he gets to shag my Inquisitor so... bonus!  ^_^


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I think I can say that had my once trusted boss gone bat sh!t crazy and proclaimed all *insert whatever things* are evil and should be destroyed without exception, I may choose to divorce myself from the institution completely as well. Cullen is still there fighting the good fight - just on a new team now. Plus he gets to shag my Inquisitor so... bonus!  ^_^

 

I just don't like that it all happened in between games so we missed out on that character development from him. And I kind of wanted to go snooping and find a templar shield tucked away in the corner of his room or something. Just a little nod to his former profession, something that he lived and breathed for over half his life. I guess we have his gauntlets for that though but a shield would have been cooler. 

 

I like that he has become his own man though, and has found his place away from the order. And I also like that my Inquisitor gets to sha-bang-bang with him.  ;)


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I guess we have his gauntlets for that though but a shield would have been cooler.

I miss the flappy thing from the concept art / that one pre-release War Table clip, dammit. Even if it made no character sense whatsoever, the outfit looked much cooler with it. (Kind of like the stupid impractical helmet.)
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I miss the flappy thing from the concept art / that one pre-release War Table clip, dammit. Even if it made no character sense whatsoever, the outfit looked much cooler with it. (Kind of like the stupid impractical helmet.)

 

What? There was nothing impractical about his helmet.........   :rolleyes:

 

Cullen: I can hear you but I just can't find you.

Inquisitor: Would you take that bloody helmet off! Honestly, Cullen, we're about to go to bed.  

Cullen: *ponders how bad helmet hair is* No. 

 

Haha, but yeah, I did like the the front flap too. 


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I think I can say that had my once trusted boss gone bat sh!t crazy and proclaimed all *insert whatever things* are evil and should be destroyed without exception, I may choose to divorce myself from the institution completely as well.

 

The analogy breaks down, though, in that even after his boss went crazy, Cullen still raised his stapler at her and proclaimed for all the office to hear that he still believed in the company. Fast forward four years, and suddenly we get a Cullen who not only resigned, but now spends most of his time trash-talking the company he was supposedly so loyal to that he would turn against his boss to preserve, and very little context for this change.

 

What happened offscreen throughout these four years to make him hate the Templars so much now? All the reasons he does give in DAI are issues he already had to deal with in DA2, and he had previously worked through them in ways that left him painfully aware of the Order's shortcomings, but never resentful of it. So what changed that his tone is so bitter now? We don't actually know, but we're asked to agree with this change in his character's direction anyway.

 

I'm in the same place as R2, still trying to process how we went from "Cullen will always be loyal to the ideals of the Templars" to "Cullen doesn't even wanna talk about the Templars" - maybe there was context there, and maybe it would even have been credible, but we never got that context beyond a vague sense of disappointment and bitterness, and that leaves his character development feeling a bit... forced. For people who wanted Cullen to divorce himself from the Templars, that sudden change might be great even if it's not well explained because the end goal of "Cullen also resents the Templars now" is more important than the question of why; but for those who expected him to remain, as R2 perfectly puts, "a templar forever in some ways, whether he was technically employed by them or not," it's still very hard to reconcile DA2 Cullen and DAI Cullen into the same character without feeling like way too much was brushed under the rug, or that the writing asks us to pretend far too much of his previous characterization was never there to force this new perspective onto him.

 

Basically, too few questions we had about Cullen before were actually answered with this character rebranding of sorts, and too many more have now been left open in their stead. It's a weird place to be if you liked the idea of Cullen as a Templar who represented the better ideals of the Order, since that aspect of him is completely gone now, with almost no context to justify it.


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OT, but found this amazing rendition of Mythal from back in the day:

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The analogy breaks down, though, in that even after his boss went crazy, Cullen still raised his stapler at her and proclaimed for all the office to hear that he still believed in the company. Fast forward four years, and suddenly we get a Cullen who not only resigned, but now spends most of his time trash-talking the company he was supposedly so loyal to that he would turn against his boss to preserve, and very little context for this change.

 

What happened offscreen throughout these four years to make him hate the Templars so much now? All the reasons he does give in DAI are issues he already had to deal with in DA2, and he had previously worked through them in ways that left him painfully aware of the Order's shortcomings, but never resentful of it. So what changed that his tone is so bitter now? We don't actually know, but we're asked to agree with this change in his character's direction anyway.

 

I'm in the same place as R2, still trying to process how we went from "Cullen will always be loyal to the ideals of the Templars" to "Cullen doesn't even wanna talk about the Templars" - maybe there was context there, and maybe it would even have been credible, but we never got that context beyond a vague sense of disappointment and bitterness, and that leaves his character development feeling a bit... forced. For people who wanted Cullen to divorce himself from the Templars, that sudden change might be great even if it's not well explained because the end goal of "Cullen also resents the Templars now" is more important than the question of why; but for those who expected him to remain, as R2 perfectly puts, "a templar forever in some ways, whether he was technically employed by them or not," it's still very hard to reconcile DA2 Cullen and DAI Cullen into the same character without feeling like way too much was brushed under the rug, or that the writing asks us to pretend far too much of his previous characterization was never there to force this new perspective onto him.

 

Basically, too few questions we had about Cullen before were actually answered with this character rebranding of sorts, and too many more have now been left open in their stead. It's a weird place to be if you liked the idea of Cullen as a Templar who represented the better ideals of the Order, since that aspect of him is completely gone now, with almost no context to justify it.

 

Hi! I'm kind of new to this thread, nice to meet you :)

 

I wanted to say that I don't feel like he hates the Templars? He urges you to side with them to seal the breach, and he gets really angry with you if you disband the order. All of his reasons for leaving the order revolve around his trauma. There's even a point where you can ask him if he hates Templars now and he says no he still respects their ideals and feels they have a place in the world. Even that they're needed, though not as jailers for the mages, more working in tandem with them. I agree that the story doesn't explain why he expressed commitment to the order at the end of DA2 only to leave, but perhaps in the aftermath of the fight with Meredith he saw things differently?

 

Unless there's something I'm missing. Does he act differently if you side with the Templars as allies? Because I haven't tried that yet. That'll be my next play through.


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