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It's 5110 already, we'd better start thinking about 6K B)
 
Took me a very long time to actually create anything so I'd always want to start early... :whistle:


I've got so many things I want to write *sigh* when the baby eventually starts giving me enough time to think I'll hopefully get to it. With any luck I'll have something suitable by 6k...
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Another awesome Cullen by LillyRutherford:

 

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I've got so many things I want to write *sigh* when the baby eventually starts giving me enough time to think I'll hopefully get to it. With any luck I'll have something suitable by 6k...

 

Same here, I can't do much lately so it'll took time to actually create anything... So... how about if we start brainstorming on ideas? Just to start, not to decide.

 

*still, nothing would be able to beat "Memories" as theme. That's really really really a great one.*



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*snip*

Speaking of writing, what do you guys do if you want to write but you are in a bad mood somehow. Do you still sit down and start writing, even though your mood might have a negative effect on your characters and/or the quality of the story. In which case you might have to rewrite it later on. Do you try to bring yourself in the right mood, e.g. through music. Or don't you write at all and hope you have more luck the next day? 

If my mood is wrong for one piece of writing, I work on another. It's the reason some of my chapters are done almost immediately after another, some of them are partly written out of order, and I usually have a couple of other projects, most of which will never be read by anyone.

 

Professional writing is different, I just sit down and make myself with either a page goal or a time goal (usually both.) The strategy is to get the facts on paper, write something no matter how bad. It's a good solution to writer's block because it's much easier to edit crappy writing once you have it on paper than to try to get the perfect wording the first time. Of course, being in a bad mood isn't necessarily a bad thing in non-fiction; it can help drive the right tone when you're trying to make clear how bad something was, as long as you edit it later.


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I need to get my fic finshed, ugh, it's just that I can never fine time to sit down and finish it. It's very hard to juggle writing and work sometimes for me.

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Hey guys, Cullen's cine designer was on the PAX panel this morning so I thought I'd send you all my notes even though they're not all Cullen related. The other cine designer on the panel was Dan Plunkett.

DAI romance scenes were done with mocap. The mocap actors were a real-life couple so it was marginally less awkward than it could have been but still silly with the grey bodysuits ("They look kind of like Putties" from Power Rangers, said Conal). They made a helmet to do Bull's mocap because simple actions like rolling around in bed were complicated by the horns.
The VAs do get to see the mocap video before recording, which remains my theory for GE's "raunchy" comment.

Repeatable kisses came in later in production. (EDIT: and were almost cut for time, Sarah told me when I dropped by the autograph line later to thank her for how awesome Cullen's cutscenes were)

DA2 had a shot-for-shot Saving Private Ryan homage (the scene where Grace et al have captured your LI / sibling / Varric) because the cine person got punchy from being sick of dialogue wheel stuff.

Writers and cine challenge each other: Dombrow told Hayward that the Garrus tango scene from the Citadel DLC was impossible, so then she had to do it.
They think about questions like "How would each follower hold a cup?" etc. to nail down the distinctive body language for each.

In every game SH's worked on her character smashes something. Cullen's lyrium box: All the kit pieces were animated properly by hand.

Q: Are there things the writers ask for that you (the cine designers) have to say no to? (E.g. Book pages flipping individually?) Nearly nothing with enough planning and prep. The race and gender combos are the big one causing difficulty.

Answers to audience questions:
Lip sync is procedural from voice data. Fewer keys when camera is farther away.

Kasumi on James's back came from mocap actors goofing off. Can take more risks in dlc. Party in citadel was logic nightmare wrt who's dead or not.

SH's favorite scene? One is Leviathan where Ann Bryson gets possessed.
DP's was the large battle in the Western Approach. 29 shots, lots of iteration.
Wait, SH remembers, her real favorite is Fenris ripping out Danarius's throat. Danarius is Mark Meer gargling water. Fenris was just going to kill him but she had a bad day soooo.

Happy accidents? Fenris "had a mind of his own". The little pleased nod after tossing bottle of wine was not done manually but just happened.
Grunt's scene with the Rachni Queen and the creepy talking dead Krogan heads: the heads' spasming was unintentional but added to the scene's creepiness.

Best bugs? All crowd animations in Halamshiral (IIRC) one day got swapped with a prospector-like hermit dance (from DAO?).
Cullen's wall punch destroyed Skyhold level art such that he punched it out of existence.
Male elves incl. Solas got "the Dobby effect" with huge eyes and long pointy nose.
Cullen's hair floated above him for a long time. Solas had the human female walk for a bit. Strut after IYHSB x 500. Josie had a cowboy walk.

Cole's movements changed a lot. He was stabbier with crazy eyes earlier in dev.

(EDITED for cell phone typos and a semblance of grammar/syntax)
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Hey guys, Cullen's cine designer was on the PAX panel this morning so I thought I'd send you all my notes even though they're not all Cullen related. (I missed the other designer's name so any antecedent-less male pronoun refers to him.)

DAI romance was done with mocap. Actors were a couple so less awkward. "They look kind of like Putties"-Conal. They made a helmet to do Bull's mocap.
The VOs do get to see the mocap, which remains my theory for GE's "raunchy" comment.

Repeatable kisses came in later in production.

Da2 had a shot for shot saving private Ryan homage (the one with grace et al and your LI sibling or Varric) because the cine person got punchy from being sick of dialogue wheel stuff.

Writers and cine challenge each other: donbrow told heyward garrus tango was impossible, so then she had to do it.
They think about How would each follower hold a cup? Etc.

In every game SH's worked on her character smashes something. Cullen's lyrium box: All the kit pieces were animated properly by hand.

Q: Things you have to say no to? (E.g. Book pages flipping individually?) Nearly nothing with enough planning and prep. The race and gender combos are the big one causing difficulty.

Audience Qs:
Lip sync is procedural from voice data. Fewer keys when camera is farther away.

Kasumi on James's back came from mocap actors goofing off. Can take more risks in dlc. Party in citadel was logic nightmare wrt who's dead or not.

Her favorite scene? One is Leviathan where Ann Bryson gets possessed. His was large battle in western approach. 29 shots, lots of iteration. Wait her real favorite is Fenris ripping out Danarius's throat. Denarius is Mark Meer gargling water. Fenris was just going to kill him but she had a bad day soooo.

Happy accidents? Fenris "had a mind of his own". Little pleased nod after tossing bottle of wine was not done manually but just happened.
Grunt scene with creepy talking krogan heads: spasming was unintentional but added to creepiness.

Best bugs? All crowd animations one day got swapped with hermit dance (from DAO?).
Cullen's wall punch destroyed Skyhold level art such that he punched it out of existence.
Male elves incl. Solas got "the Dobby effect" with huge eyes and long pointy nose.
Cullen's hair floated above him for a long time. Solas had the human female walk for a bit. Strut after IYHSB x 500. Josie had a cowboy walk. Coles movements changed a lot. He was stabbier with crazy eyes earlier in dev.


Ah, I didn't know you were gonna be there!!!! Thanks so much for sharing!

What I would give to see Cullen's hair float. *snicker*
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If my mood is wrong for one piece of writing, I work on another. It's the reason some of my chapters are done almost immediately after another, some of them are partly written out of order, and I usually have a couple of other projects, most of which will never be read by anyone.
 
Professional writing is different, I just sit down and make myself with either a page goal or a time goal (usually both.) The strategy is to get the facts on paper, write something no matter how bad. It's a good solution to writer's block because it's much easier to edit crappy writing once you have it on paper than to try to get the perfect wording the first time. Of course, being in a bad mood isn't necessarily a bad thing in non-fiction; it can help drive the right tone when you're trying to make clear how bad something was, as long as you edit it later.

Agree; all good advice. When I'm stuck on fic I also do something similar with a word sprint. Just stop and write some N number of words and force myself not to constantly edit. That's my nemesis: eternal editing so that I don't actually ever move forward in a story because I'm tweaking one adverb that just isn't right.

BUT!! I finally pushed through something similar and have a draft of a chapter I've been writing for almost nine months! wooo hooooooOOOO!!!!!
 

Same here, I can't do much lately so it'll took time to actually create anything... So... how about if we start brainstorming on ideas? Just to start, not to decide.
 
*still, nothing would be able to beat "Memories" as theme. That's really really really a great one.*

Surely we can brainstorm. You go first. ;) I'll have to think some more, myself. I know the things I'm interested in right now, but they may not be universal. ^_^

Thing is, I don't know that the theme is strictly necessary, so I think folks can just start thinking about what they want to create in general, as well.
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Hey guys, Cullen's cine designer was on the PAX panel this morning so I thought I'd send you all my notes even though they're not all Cullen related. (I missed the other designer's name so any antecedent-less male pronoun refers to him.)

DAI romance was done with mocap. Actors were a couple so less awkward. "They look kind of like Putties"-Conal. They made a helmet to do Bull's mocap.
The VOs do get to see the mocap, which remains my theory for GE's "raunchy" comment.

Repeatable kisses came in later in production. (EDIT: and were almost cut for time)

Da2 had a shot for shot saving private Ryan homage (the one with grace et al and your LI sibling or Varric) because the cine person got punchy from being sick of dialogue wheel stuff.

Writers and cine challenge each other: donbrow told heyward garrus tango was impossible, so then she had to do it.
They think about How would each follower hold a cup? Etc.

In every game SH's worked on her character smashes something. Cullen's lyrium box: All the kit pieces were animated properly by hand.

Q: Things you have to say no to? (E.g. Book pages flipping individually?) Nearly nothing with enough planning and prep. The race and gender combos are the big one causing difficulty.

Audience Qs:
Lip sync is procedural from voice data. Fewer keys when camera is farther away.

Kasumi on James's back came from mocap actors goofing off. Can take more risks in dlc. Party in citadel was logic nightmare wrt who's dead or not.

Her favorite scene? One is Leviathan where Ann Bryson gets possessed. His was large battle in western approach. 29 shots, lots of iteration. Wait her real favorite is Fenris ripping out Danarius's throat. Denarius is Mark Meer gargling water. Fenris was just going to kill him but she had a bad day soooo.

Happy accidents? Fenris "had a mind of his own". Little pleased nod after tossing bottle of wine was not done manually but just happened.
Grunt scene with creepy talking krogan heads: spasming was unintentional but added to creepiness.

Best bugs? All crowd animations one day got swapped with hermit dance (from DAO?).
Cullen's wall punch destroyed Skyhold level art such that he punched it out of existence.
Male elves incl. Solas got "the Dobby effect" with huge eyes and long pointy nose.
Cullen's hair floated above him for a long time. Solas had the human female walk for a bit. Strut after IYHSB x 500. Josie had a cowboy walk. Coles movements changed a lot. He was stabbier with crazy eyes earlier in dev.

Thanks!

 

So, am I the only one trying to decide if I really want to know which couples were Solas (for the fade kiss) and the IQ and Cullen (for the death glare of doom at Jim) and the IQ for the mocap?


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#127710
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Cullen's wall punch destroyed Skyhold level art such that he punched it out of existence.
Male elves incl. Solas got "the Dobby effect" with huge eyes and long pointy nose.
Solas had the human female walk for a bit. Strut after IYHSB x 500.

Would have killed to see these.


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It can't only be me who's quietly wondering where on Thedas the Inquisitor pulls the big stick out from every time they claim a landmark? Just me?
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Agree; all good advice. When I'm stuck on fic I also do something similar with a word sprint. Just stop and write some N number of words and force myself not to constantly edit. That's my nemesis: eternal editing so that I don't actually ever move forward in a story because I'm tweaking one adverb that just isn't right.

BUT!! I finally pushed through something similar and have a draft of a chapter I've been writing for almost nine months! wooo hooooooOOOO!!!!!
*snip*

This! Synonyms are my bane. I spent 15 minutes last night trying to come up with one word in a rewrite (disparage) because the other words that kept occurring to me carried the wrong baggage.

 

And yeah! Is that part of the Hawke-Cullen story?


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Agree; all good advice. When I'm stuck on fic I also do something similar with a word sprint. Just stop and write some N number of words and force myself not to constantly edit. That's my nemesis: eternal editing so that I don't actually ever move forward in a story because I'm tweaking one adverb that just isn't right.

BUT!! I finally pushed through something similar and have a draft of a chapter I've been writing for almost nine months! wooo hooooooOOOO!!!!!
 
 

Small steps, my dear.


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It can't only be me who's quietly wondering where on Thedas the Inquisitor pulls the big stick out from every time they claim a landmark? Just me?

I confess it's the first thing I thought of too.  :lol:



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Hey guys, Cullen's cine designer was on the PAX panel this morning so I thought I'd send you all my notes even though they're not all Cullen related.

 

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Best bugs? All crowd animations one day got swapped with hermit dance (from DAO?).
Cullen's wall punch destroyed Skyhold level art such that he punched it out of existence.
Josie had a cowboy walk.

Veeerry interesting and thanks so much for sharing. I wish I were there. And LMAO, I really wish I could have seen these bugs!

 

It can't only be me who's quietly wondering where on Thedas the Inquisitor pulls the big stick out from every time they claim a landmark? Just me?

Nope. After I saw what Guybrush Threepwood could fit into his pants, nothing suprises me anymore.


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The second panel was being recorded, seemingly professionally, so it might pop up online later, so I won't bother going into it. Only new Cullen info was a very OOC sounding cutscene they didn't end up making, but there were some interesting things they considered with Cole and decided against eventually.
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It can't only be me who's quietly wondering where on Thedas the Inquisitor pulls the big stick out from every time they claim a landmark? Just me?


Well, in my case, Bull put it there ;)
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*snip*
 
Surely we can brainstorm. You go first. ;) I'll have to think some more, myself. I know the things I'm interested in right now, but they may not be universal. ^_^

Thing is, I don't know that the theme is strictly necessary, so I think folks can just start thinking about what they want to create in general, as well.

 

Hmmm... I don't really have anything good, it's hard to beat "Memory" as theme. That one's a real killer. What's in your mind? Please say it anyway :D

 

Maybe something general like "Thank You", "Good Night", "Strong Bond" or something like that. I'd like to suggest maybe "Lion" or things like that but I don't think everyone would like the lion parallel...

 

EDIT: or maybe you're right R2s, maybe we just let it out roll like that. The 5K was great with a theme but some folks might have problems following that.


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Another awesome Cullen by LillyRutherford:

 

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#127720
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Spoiler

 

Ceru Greatly Approves.

 

EDIT: ToP, have a Cullen...

 

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Hmmm... I don't really have anything good, it's hard to beat "Memory" as theme. That one's a real killer. What's in your mind? Please say it anyway :D

 

Maybe something general like "Thank You", "Good Night", "Strong Bond" or something like that. I'd like to suggest maybe "Lion" or things like that but I don't think everyone would like the lion parallel...

 

EDIT: or maybe you're right R2s, maybe we just let it out roll like that. The 5K was great with a theme but some folks might have problems following that.

 

How about something involving animals in general as a theme? Since Cullen can be associated with lions and also bears since his furry cloak is made of bear fur. Or even phoenixes since he rose again despite being torn down, idk. (wait omg!! I really want to draw a phoenix-themed Cullen now) 

 

Unless having an animal theme would also be too potentially...raunchy. Oop

 

But yeah, there's nothing wrong with not sticking to any particular theme either ^_^ If having a theme is too restrictive it would be nice to just encourage people to contribute whatever they feel comfortable with, too.


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How about something involving animals in general as a theme? Since Cullen can be associated with lions and also bears since his furry cloak is made of bear fur. Or even phoenixes since he rose again despite being torn down, idk. (wait omg!! I really want to draw a phoenix-themed Cullen now) 

 

Unless having an animal theme would also be too potentially...raunchy. Oop

 

But yeah, there's nothing wrong with not sticking to any particular theme either ^_^ If having a theme is too restrictive it would be nice to just encourage people to contribute whatever they feel comfortable with, too.

 

Seconding phoenix! But while it's easier to make something on the visual term, will folks who do the writings/collage like the theme? It might not be everyone's cup of tea coffee...

 

Bear... Honestly I don't associate Cullen with bears, since BW's the bear. That's an idea to be explored, why not. Hmmm...

 

I'm rooting for your phoenix Cullen Seph :wub:


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I hope you mean traditional phoenixes as opposed to those... things... running around in the Western Approach. The latter are much less romantic. ;)


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Animal can mean all kinds of things...animal magnetism, the beast within, the lion and the dog (ie, Orlais and Ferelden), Cullen's mane, Dalish huntress, are mages really people?, is lyrium alive?

 

I know what I just wrote sounds nutty, but "Animal" is pretty broad if you go with it, so could be a good route to take for a prompt.  Ie, humans are animals too, no?  So just having a human being in the story/drawing etc fits. :P

 

Just my two cents! ;)

 

OH, and Sephirona! - Cullen and phoenix rising from flames...OMG...PLEASE!!!!!


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Seconding phoenix! But while it's easier to make something on the visual term, will folks who do the writings/collage like the theme? It might not be everyone's cup of tea coffee...
 
Bear... Honestly I don't associate Cullen with bears, since BW's the bear. That's an idea to be explored, why not. Hmmm...
 
I'm rooting for your phoenix Cullen Seph :wub:

 
LOL how you crossed out tea in favor of coffee to make your point that's brilliant
 
But yeah, maybe it doesn't matter what theme we have if it means more people can feel comfortable about creating something when not adhering to a topic. Well, I don't mind going along with whatever is decided, either way is good :P
 
And thanks haha!! I should go start it right now. So many WIPs to work on and I've barely posted any. sob.

I hope you mean traditional phoenixes as opposed to those... things... running around in the Western Approach. The latter are much less romantic. ;)


How....elegant and graceful...*sweats profusely*
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