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[Tarlonniel]

Happiness? Happiness? How dare you even ask! Now your beloved characters will be TORTURED FOREVER.

[riverbanks]

I tend to fault Bioware when it comes to this “Warden Return” desire some players had/have. (....) Then you have an off to the side plot-line that your Warden is off trying to seek out the cure for The Blight.

 

Somewhat, but the players are largely to blame too. The "seeking a cure for the taint" thing was supposed to be just a throwaway send-off for the HoF - the Warden goes off on a pointless journey that will end up in a dead end (because actually curing the taint is too big a change of the universe's most basic premises) and we never hear from them again. Fandom is to blame for reading too much into that and making it into this whole notion that it's too big to be nothing, that it's obviously setting up for a HoF-centric DLC, etc.

 

Thing is, if this subplot was supposed to be something important, people with Ultimate Sacrifice world states would need that foreshadowing in their games too, but we have nothing. We don't have any references to the Warden-Commander in game, leave alone any reference to seeking a cure for the taint. We don't even have a tile at the Keep to specify which race our Orlesian Warden-Commander was, despite how long we've been begging for it. There's zero setup for such a story on a US world state, zero concern with putting the Orlesian Warden in context for such a quest... there's just no effort being put into bringing the HoF and their replacement back. But you point that out, and you're the buzzkill killing people's dreams of seeing their Wardens again, so... this fever to make every minor Warden-related detail bigger than it was ever meant to be is not on BioWare's shoulders anymore. Unless they either do a long timeskip or simply stop mentioning the HoF altogether in the next games, people are gonna keep reading way too much into it and never accepting that the Warden's story is over.

 

I just hope for the next DA game, my Inquisitor and Cullen don't end up being separating because one is off looking for snoz berries or whatever.

 

With luck, we're really moving North in the next game, and the Inquisition down South won't even factor into anything too major. Our new hero can deal with all the trouble there, while our Inquisitor and her Commander carry on doing their thing in the South.... and even if they're off just picking berries together, at least they'll still be together.

[Hellion Rex]

^Amen

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Happiness? Happiness? How dare you even ask! Now your beloved characters will be TORTURED FOREVER.

*pouts* That isn't nice, lol! WE ALL NEED SOME HAPPINESS SO WE DON'T DROWN IN DESPAIR!

[Hellion Rex]

I don't really think my Warden needs happiness, necessarily. I think he indeed will hit a brick wall when it comes to curing the taint. However, I easily see him proudly walking down those dwarven stairs, Zevran at his side, facing the Calling together. Jason Amell has truly lived a fulfilled life, in my opinion. He will not waste his last years chasing a romantic dream.

[Hellion Rex]

*pouts* That isn't nice, lol! WE ALL NEED SOME HAPPINESS SO WE DON'T DROWN IN DESPAIR!

I want my Warden to die with Zevran in a blaze of glory. That'd make me happy.

[Tarlonniel]

WE ALL NEED SOME HAPPINESS SO WE DON'T DROWN IN DESPAIR!

 

But BioWare runs on fantears. I thought that was a well-known fact.

 

Next game: our new PC runs into Cullen on the street one day, and when asked where the Inquisitor is, he says, "Oh, she heard about unicorns being sighted in the Hunterhorn Mountains and vanished. Unicorns are all-important to her, as you know. So, any super-dangerous, potentially deadly tasks you need my help with?"

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I want my Warden to die with Zevran in a blaze of glory. That'd make me happy.

That is the only way I would want my Warden to die and it makes the most sense for them to die like that. Their LI wouldn't just leave them alone.

 

But BioWare runs on fantears. I thought that was a well-known fact.

 

Next game: our new PC runs into Cullen on the street one day, and when asked where the Inquisitor is, he says, "Oh, she heard about unicorns being sighted in the Hunterhorn Mountains and vanished. Unicorns are all-important to her, as you know. So, any super-dangerous, potentially deadly tasks you need my help with?"

       

[onakita]

Just out of curiosity... would any of you like to test the hair as it is right now? And by that i mean after the cut scenes, it WILL revert back to its vanilla state, but im just curious if it will work for everyone? The hair is still being worked on im not gonna leave it in this state... so please let me know if u guys wanna test it

I would like to test it!

[Tishina]

I want my Warden to die with Zevran in a blaze of glory. That'd make me happy.

Not everyone enjoys tragic romances, lol.

[riverbanks]

But BioWare runs on fantears. I thought that was a well-known fact.

Next game: our new PC runs into Cullen on the street one day, (..)

How bad is it that I immediately thought you were going to segue this with Cullen being homeless, drunk, trading shady favors for dwarf dust, ranting maniacally about how he was totally a general in an army once and he was totally married to the Inquisitor before she disappeared without a trace and he was so depressed he threw it all away and somehow ended up a beggar in the streets of Minrathous because... reasons.

....worse yet, how bad is it that this is totally a plausible scenario for a BioWare character?

[Tarlonniel]

SHHHHH! Weekes might hear you!

[timebean]

*Snip*

Thing is, if this subplot was supposed to be something important, people with Ultimate Sacrifice world states would need that foreshadowing in their games too, but we have nothing. We don't have any references to the Warden-Commander in game, leave alone any reference to seeking a cure for the taint. We don't even have a tile at the Keep to specify which race our Orlesian Warden-Commander was, despite how long we've been begging for it. There's zero setup for such a story on a US world state, zero concern with putting the Orlesian Warden in context for such a quest... there's just no effort being put into bringing the HoF and their replacement back. But you point that out, and you're the buzzkill killing people's dreams of seeing their Wardens again, so... this fever to make every minor Warden-related detail bigger than it was ever meant to be is not on BioWare's shoulders anymore. Unless they either do a long timeskip or simply stop mentioning the HoF altogether in the next games, people are gonna keep reading way too much into it and never accepting that the Warden's story is over.

*snip*

Huh...I actually did not know that the Olesian warden wasn't mentioned in the ultimate sacrifice world state.  I just assumed they had the same mission on the ware table (cause they were mentioned at the end of DA2 by Leliana). What a buzz-kill!!!

 

Nonetheless, I will get over in in a jiffy. I think the writers have millions of places to go with the story, so anything is possible.  I am salivating over DLC at this point, and will be happy with anything to get over the DAI post-game hump!!

 

AND...I am currently running through my house and clapping like an idiot cause of wonderful Teshayel art in progress!!!  WHOOPPEEE!!!!!  It is a good day people!!!

[Tishina]

How bad is it that I immediately thought you were going to segue this with Cullen being homeless, drunk, trading shady favors for dwarf dust, ranting maniacally about how he was totally a general in an army once and he was totally married to the Inquisitor before she disappeared without a trace and he was so depressed he threw it all away and somehow ended up a beggar in the streets of Minrathous because... reasons.

....worse yet, how bad is it that this is totally a plausible scenario for a BioWare character?

Eh, I'm of the opinion, maybe not popular, that there is a limited amount you can do to a character before it's either absurd or people just shrug. It is plausible that they could, I just hope they don't take that route. When it reaches absurd, it loses all emotional impact, lol.

[riverbanks]

SHHHHH! Weekes might hear you!

 

Weekes would probably first change his name to Cu'lle'n and make one of his parents secretly an ancient elven deity or something before he considered making his characters homeless drunks. Such a plebeian fate.

 

Eh, I'm of the opinion, maybe not popular, that there is a limited amount you can do to a character before it's either absurd or people just shrug. It is plausible that they could, I just hope they don't take that route. When it reaches absurd, it loses all emotional impact, lol.

 

lol I hope you got that I was being tongue in cheek about that? I don't want Cullen to have a tragic fate, I just thought that's where Tar was going with their post because they were going on about about fan tears, etc.

[R2s Muse]

Eh, I'm of the opinion, maybe not popular, that there is a limited amount you can do to a character before it's either absurd or people just shrug. It is plausible that they could, I just hope they don't take that route. When it reaches absurd, it loses all emotional impact, lol.

TBH, I'm not really worried about Cullen's future. Given what a positive overhaul they gave his character in DA:I, it would surprise me greatly if they didn't let the fangirls ride off into the sunset with him. 

 

Of course... now that I've said that, they'll probably reintroduce the problematic aspects of his character.

[Tarlonniel]

Given what a positive overhaul they gave his character in DA:I, it would surprise me greatly if they didn't let the fangirls ride off into the sunset with him. 

 

They'd better. The way they keep dangling an ending like that with Alistair in front of our eyes, then snatching it away... *grits teeth*

[Tishina]

Weekes would probably first change his name to Cu'lle'n and make one of his parents secretly an ancient elven deity or something before he considered making his characters homeless drunks. Such a plebeian fate.

 

 

lol I hope you got that I was being tongue in cheek about that? I don't want Cullen to have a tragic fate, I just thought that's where Tar was going with their post because they were going on about about fan tears, etc.

Absolutely, lol, it's just that it IS something I could imagine someone at least throwing around as a possibility.

 

TBH, I'm not really worried about Cullen's future. Given what a positive overhaul they gave his character in DA:I, it would surprise me greatly if they didn't let the fangirls ride off into the sunset with him. 

 

Of course... now that I've said that, they'll probably reintroduce the problematic aspects of his character.

Also possible. I've seen a dozen openings in his story for possible future twists, I'm just hoping they decide to let the fangirls have their day, lol. Poor guy has already been through the wringer a few times.

[Hellion Rex]

Not everyone enjoys tragic romances, lol.

I'm aware. But no matter what Bioware does, someone is gonna be angry.

[Hellion Rex]

TBH, I'm not really worried about Cullen's future. Given what a positive overhaul they gave his character in DA:I, it would surprise me greatly if they didn't let the fangirls ride off into the sunset with him.

Of course... now that I've said that, they'll probably reintroduce the problematic aspects of his character.

My only interest in the character now is the lyrium addiction, and will his ability to deny his craving actually stick.

On top of that, in all the nearly 1000 years that Templars have existed, why has it taken so long for someone to break the addiction? What did Cullen have that all these others didn't?

[stop_him]

My only interest in the character now is the lyrium addiction, and will his ability to deny his craving actually stick.

On top of that, in all the nearly 1000 years that Templars have existed, why has it taken so long for someone to break the addiction? What did Cullen have that all these others didn't?

Fangirls.

[Cantina]

My only interest in the character now is the lyrium addiction, and will his ability to deny his craving actually stick.

On top of that, in all the nearly 1000 years that Templars have existed, why has it taken so long for someone to break the addiction? What did Cullen have that all these others didn't?

 

Sex appeal?

 

LOL!

 

Seriously though. There lies the answer. A thousand years and we (the players) have only a tiny bit of information of those thousand years. Hell for all we know there could have been a Templar rehab clinic in the second age but The Chantry shut it down (shrugs).

[Lynas]

My only interest in the character now is the lyrium addiction, and will his ability to deny his craving actually stick.

On top of that, in all the nearly 1000 years that Templars have existed, why has it taken so long for someone to break the addiction? What did Cullen have that all these others didn't?

Cassandra said something about it ... Mages speaks about their suffering but not the Templars. It makes sense.

[Tishina]

Productive weekend (just not necessarily on the right things, lol)

 

https://www.fanficti...Cullen-s-Charge

http://archiveofouro...hapters/7715333

[Hellion Rex]

Cassandra said something about it ... Mages speaks about their suffering but not the Templars. It makes sense.

I'm indeed aware of what Cassandra said. But why has it still taken, spoken about or not, 1000 years for some to break the addiction?