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[Caja]

Carver becomes a completely different person in Acts 2/3 if you take the friendship path with him. His lines throughout the MotA and Legacy DLCs turn his relationship with Hawke into something really touching and endearing, specially if Carver is a Grey Warden and Hawke is female and diplomatic. The years and distance mellow them both out, and make them understand each other a lot better.

 

I totally keep Carver alive in my special snowflake headcanon, because I love his relationship with f!Hawke too much and can't stand losing it just because of my Hawke's class. Though I love f!Hawke's and Bethany's love/[complicated feelings] sister relationship too much to let go of it either, so... bah, Garrett can die in Lothering or something for the obligatory Hawke family tragedy laundry list. My babies both get to stay.

 

(If you keep Bethany this time around, by the way, you may want to let her go to the Circle, unless you have some strong narrative reason to make her join the Wardens. Just like Carver sounds much happier in the Wardens than in the Templars, Bethany sounds much happier in the Circle than in the Wardens. And having her in the Circle makes the ending all the more emotional, specially if you decide to side with the Templars in the end.)

Oh, I know. I have nothing against the character and as I said before, he is well written. I played a female mage, Carver became a Warden and he started to open up in the end, although I wouldn't say that he became a completely different person. LOL. I haven't played the DLCs yet and I still have BioWare points left which I can't spend on Inquisition so maybe I'll invest them in the DA 2 DLCs. And thanks for the Bethany tip .

 

Well, one aspect I always liked about DA 2: More Cullen .

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Templar Cullen from DA2 by Nico-and-Jake

[Cerulione]

Oh, I know. I have nothing against the character and as I said before, he is well written. I played a female mage, Carver became a Warden and he started to open up in the end, although I wouldn't say that he became a completely different person. LOL. I haven't played the DLCs yet and I still have BioWare points left which I can't spend on Inquisition so maybe I'll invest them in the DA 2 DLCs. And thanks for the Bethany tip .

 

Well, one aspect I always liked about DA 2: More Cullen .

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Templar Cullen from DA2 by Nico-and-Jake

 

Legacy is awesome in term of Carver character development...

[riverbanks]

Bethany in contrast did absolutely nothing for me. The character just felt absolutely dull.

 

Did you play a male character? Because just as Carver's relationship with f!Hawke is completely different from his relationship with m!Hawke (his inferiority complex comes from very different places and is resolved in very different ways depending on Hawke's gender), so is the dynamic of Bethany's relationship with Hawke completely different if they're sisters, or big brother and little sister. Bethany and female Hawke have a strong sense of sisterhood and a loyalty to each other that is rare to see in fiction (typically female characters are always just in competition with each other) - meanwhile, Bethany with male Hawke is, unfortunately, just wallpaper making starry eyes at big bro.

 

Can't fault you for finding her dull if you got her in the least interesting combination of the four possibilities for the sibling dynamics there, because she really does wilt and disappear under male Hawke's shadow. But I also can't agree that Beth is a dull character overall, because in the version I got, she had as much depth, complexity, and character development as Carver. Her arc of growing into her own person (independent of her sister's leading hand, and away from the deeply ingrained insecurities and self-hatred she instilled in herself because of her magic -specially if she goes to the Circle and finally learns to appreciate, or at least respect, who she is), and her relationship of super sisters against the world with fem Hawke are still some of my favorite things in the game.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Did you play a male character? Because just as Carver's relationship with f!Hawke is completely different from his relationship with m!Hawke (his inferiority complex comes from very different places and is resolved in very different ways depending on Hawke's gender), so is the dynamic of Bethany's relationship with Hawke completely different if they're sisters, or big brother and little sister. Bethany and female Hawke have a strong sense of sisterhood and a loyalty to each other that is rare to see in fiction (typically female characters are always just in competition with each other) - meanwhile, Bethany with male Hawke is, unfortunately, just wallpaper making starry eyes at big bro.

 

Can't fault you for finding her dull if you got her in the least interesting combination of the four possibilities for the sibling dynamics there, because she really does wilt and disappear under male Hawke's shadow. But I also can't agree that Beth is a dull character overall, because in the version I got, she had as much depth, complexity, and character development as Carver. Her arc of growing into her own person (independent of her sister's leading hand, and away from the deeply ingrained insecurities and self-hatred she instilled in herself because of her magic -specially if she goes to the Circle and finally learns to appreciate, or at least respect, who she is), and her relationship of super sisters against the world with fem Hawke are still some of my favorite things in the game.

 

Isn't the dialog between Hawke and their siblings the same regardless of gender?

[Tishina]

Did you play a male character? Because just as Carver's relationship with f!Hawke is completely different from his relationship with m!Hawke (his inferiority complex comes from very different places and is resolved in very different ways depending on Hawke's gender), so is the dynamic of Bethany's relationship with Hawke completely different if they're sisters, or big brother and little sister. Bethany and female Hawke have a strong sense of sisterhood and a loyalty to each other that is rare to see in fiction (typically female characters are always just in competition with each other) - meanwhile, Bethany with male Hawke is, unfortunately, just wallpaper making starry eyes at big bro.

 

Can't fault you for finding her dull if you got her in the least interesting combination of the four possibilities for the sibling dynamics there, because she really does wilt and disappear under male Hawke's shadow. But I also can't agree that Beth is a dull character overall, because in the version I got, she had as much depth, complexity, and character development as Carver. Her arc of growing into her own person (independent of her sister's leading hand, and away from the deeply ingrained insecurities and self-hatred she instilled in herself because of her magic -specially if she goes to the Circle and finally learns to appreciate, or at least respect, who she is), and her relationship of super sisters against the world with fem Hawke are still some of my favorite things in the game.

I'm glad someone spoke up for Bethany because I liked her a lot. I always watched f!Hawke PTs with her. I loved the relationship between them. I didn't care for Carver for personal reasons (whiny grates on me, and his voice particularly annoyed me, though he was extremely well written, developed, and well acted character.)

[riverbanks]

Well, one aspect I always liked about DA 2: More Cullen .

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Templar Cullen from DA2 by Nico-and-Jake

 

Not gonna lie, I sometimes load up DA2 just to repeat conversations with Cullen and Sebastian for no reason. I do loves me some of that air of long-suffering exasperation Cullen's got going on in 2... specially now that we know he has a super dry and sarcastic sense of humor hidden under that frown. I look at him standing there in the Gallows and just imagine all the colorful jabs going through his mind while he poker-faces at Hawke, all prim and proper Ser Templar on the outside, but mentally punching everyone in that courtyard in the face for good measure.

[Cantina]

(scoots over to Zero)

 

I'm on the Carver train.

 

Bethany was about as enjoyable as watching paint dry. Please don't hit me! My imaginary friends will take vengeance.

[Tishina]

(scoots over to Zero)

 

I'm on the Carver train.

 

Bethany was about as enjoyable as watching paint dry. Please don't hit me! My imaginary friends will take vengeance.

lol! I didn't deny that Carver was a fascinating character, I just couldn't tolerate him for personal reasons (I'd have had a hard time playing a mage in DA2; I'd have taken him to the Deep Roads and let him die on purpose just to give her a reason to be tragic.) I can't tolerate that listening to that character trait; one of the few times I wanted to smack Alistair was when he sounded whiny...

 

But I found Bethany fascinating too, for other reasons. She was not, however, a particularly independent personality, though, and I think was meant as their example of the kind of person who would do better in the protection of a circle.

 

Edit: So, my IQs have now kissed Solas, Cullen, and Blackwall (and presumably more than that). And Master Dennett is an old perv lurking in the background on everything with Blackwall, except possibly the balcony scene

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I need a lot of Cullen right about now. #Depressed #Dog #nuffsaid

[Cantina]

I need a lot of Cullen right about now. #Depressed #Dog #nuffsaid

 

<pats your head> Here you go hun!

 

[Tishina]

I need a lot of Cullen right about now. #Depressed #Dog #nuffsaid

Awww. Well, my pics are nothing like MelissaGT's, but have a kiss on the battlements:

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[riverbanks]

Isn't the dialog between Hawke and their siblings the same regardless of gender?

 

No, and specially not the conversations in party banter, which is where a lot of both Carver's and Beth's characterizations are hidden. Some letters and codex entries are different too, depending on Hawke's gender (like that infamous letter from Peaches), changing the whole context of the little sibling's relationship with them with just that switch.

 

I'm glad someone spoke up for Bethany because I liked her a lot. I always watched f!Hawke PTs with her. I loved the relationship between them.

 

IIRC you haven't played 2, right? If you ever get around it, for any reason, do go with Beth with a female Hawke. I think, taking from your usual tastes, that you'd really appreciate both Bethany's character arc and the dynamics between them.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

*sighs* Thanks  I'm not going to go into details and depress anyone else, but it was not good. I think I am going to be pretty bland and just blah...for a little while. My sarcasm will come back...that I promise. Lol.

[Cerulione]

*sighs* Thanks  I'm not going to go into details and depress anyone else, but it was not good. I think I am going to be pretty bland and just blah...for a little while. My sarcasm will come back...that I promise. Lol.

 

[fontofnothing]

I need a lot of Cullen right about now. #Depressed #Dog #nuffsaid

 

 I don't have any new Cullen screenshots to share, but have some Cullen dialogue and audio files if you haven't seen/heard them yet:

 

Here ya go:

 

[Inquisitor] Let's do something together.

[Inquisitor] I could use some fresh air. Could you?

 

[Cullen] [unknown plot condition (if slept together?)] Rooms in the Fereldan Circle were shared. Beval requested a transfer because apparently I talk in my sleep.

[Inquisitor] You do.

 

[Cullen] They didn't speak often, but Carver was always loyal.

[Cullen] [if Hawke is male] The recruits knew better than to insult his brother.

[Cullen] No one dared speak ill of his sister.

 

[Cullen] ...it would look bad if I had laughed in the middle of inspection. I bruised a rib hiding it.

 

[Cullen] ...but he kept talking. We all just looked at each other. The mages were as confused as I was.

 

[Cullen] I don't know what he'd done, but the bird was tangled in the jesses. I had to cut her loose.

 

[Cullen] (Laughs.) Did you really? There must be more to it. What happened after that?

 

[Cullen] [if Cullen romance active] Honestly, I couldn't keep my eyes off you. But we'd only just met.

 

[Cullen] Does this one have a name? A fine bird like this deserves a name.

 

[Cullen] I've attended a few Harrowings. Even when everything goes well, they are nerve-wracking.

 

[Cullen] ...and then traveled by ship to Kirkwall. I'd lived in the middle of a lake. I thought I was prepared for sea travel...

 

[Cullen] [unknown plot condition] I didn't tell Leliana we were borrowing her bird. Chances are she knows anyway.

 

[Cullen] ...then says, "She's from Kirkwall," as if I would know her. Kirkwall's a big city. I didn't go around introducing myself to everyone.

 

[Cullen] If Varric writes a story about all this, do you think I'll be in it?

 

[Cullen] ...it doesn't matter if you have magical resistance or not. Getting singed by a fireball hurts.

 

I'm not sure if the audio is out there for all of these lines, so thought I'd share the files I extracted back in December: https://www.mediafir...58ke4aspwby12c2. "Let's do something together" is the paraphrased text for "I could use some fresh air. Could you?", so there's no audio for that line.

 

EDIT: The audio is in mp3 format.

[Cantina]

*sighs* Thanks  I'm not going to go into details and depress anyone else, but it was not good. I think I am going to be pretty bland and just blah...for a little while. My sarcasm will come back...that I promise. Lol.

 

Well if it makes you feel any better, I am depressed because SweetFX will not work on my new rig. So...we can be depressed together!

[Tishina]

 

IIRC you haven't played 2, right? If you ever get around it, for any reason, do go with Beth with a female Hawke. I think, taking from your usual tastes, that you'd really appreciate both Bethany's character arc and the dynamics between them.

No, I haven't, for various reasons. I'd definitely play a f!Hawke since there are no gates (though if they'd gated Isabela after DAO, it would have raised some eyebrows, lol), and probably a warrior on a first PT, which would mean Bethany. Dunno if I'll get around to it, though, there's too much DAI still to see.

[riverbanks]

(scoots over to Zero)

 

I'm on the Carver train.

 

Bethany was about as enjoyable as watching paint dry. Please don't hit me! My imaginary friends will take vengeance.

 

Alas, if I was to be upset that people don't like my favorites, I would spend my days in woe. Remember that I am a fan of Sebastian.  If you can get over as much vitriol and character hate as he gets on a good day, people finding your other faves dull or not is just a big shrug. 

 

Anyway, I take no camps in this. Like I said in the other page, I'd rather kill an imaginary Garrett for ~the dramas~ so my Hawke can keep both her babies alive, because I love both of the twins too much and refuse to choose favorites between them. At the moment, Imaginary Garrett is watching mom and dad in the afterlife, while my Hawke travels the Anderfels with both Warden Carver and Circle Bethany in tow, plus her dumb Prince and her trusted mabari, and no one's fighting anymore because they're all big birds now, and everything's aaaaalright.

 

(former Enchanter Bethany sends her regards to former Knight-Commander Cullen, a draught for his migraines, best of luck with your saving the world thingy, thank you Inquisitor girlfriend again for saving my sister in that Fade mess, tell Varric that Sunshine said hi, xoxo)

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I wish we could have met Bethany/Carver, either during the warden subplot or the mage/templar subplot.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Well if it makes you feel any better, I am depressed because SweetFX will not work on my new rig. So...we can be depressed together!

XD I wish I could be depressed about SweetFX not working rather than my family dog dying. At least that might get fixed/better. Death does not get fixed. 

[MelissaGT]

XD I wish I could be depressed about SweetFX not working rather than my family dog dying. At least that might get fixed/better. Death does not get fixed. 

 

So sorry to hear that! I know exactly what that feels like, numerous times over. My fur-babies are my kids. 

 

I had a horrible day today, but it was because of work. I hate covering someone else's workload when they are on vacation, especially when they don't give me enough information to do the job the right way. Today was a day where I felt like doing some throat-punching. 

[TheRaccoon]

A bit late, but I want to say I really like Carver too. He is exactly like my little brother IRL, a boy who pretends to be a manly man. He is a bit rebellious and apparently hates his older sibling (my younger brother used to 'bully' me a lot when we were young as he has a much stronger personality and I am a weak weak nerd lol). He refuses to show a hint of affection towards his family. But deep down, he treasures his family.

 

And the more Cullen, the merrier!

[TheRaccoon]

XD I wish I could be depressed about SweetFX not working rather than my family dog dying. At least that might get fixed/better. Death does not get fixed. 

 

I'm so sorry! I've never a pet in my life but I could imagine the pain.. Stay strong!!

[thats1evildude]

Carver was basically a whinier version of myself with better biceps. He had to die.

Sorry about your dog, Zarro.

[Hellion Rex]

XD I wish I could be depressed about SweetFX not working rather than my family dog dying. At least that might get fixed/better. Death does not get fixed. 

Hang in there.