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I'm pretty sure that Viv explains that not all mages are locked up and can never leave. She said that permission was just needed and that it varied from circle to circle. It seems like Kinloch Hold was more strict than others. 

 

Yes, there were various Circles where the Circle itself was there just for show, the mages weren't even living in them (most notably in Rivain and Antiva, where we have the accounts of rebel Templars coming down for a war and finding the Circles long empty and the mages all living outside in nearby cities and villages). And even in the Circles that were supposed to be the most strict like Kirkwall and the White Spire, mages like Bethany and Rhys, who were proven to be trustworthy, had permission to leave the Circle unsupervised on occasion.
 

Kinloch Hold was, by all accounts, a very liberal Circle - from what we learn in Broken Circle, maybe too liberal for its own good, as it was Irving's brilliant plan of making Uldred encourage the study of blood magic among the students that set the roots for the disaster there. In any case, it seems to have been a fairly easygoing Circle, at least until Anders' repeated escape attempts ruined it for everyone. He and Finn will both tell you that the mages used to go outside the tower, swim the lake, etc, until they had to stop the outings after then Nth time Anders tried to make a run (swim) for it.

 

Ostwick seems to have been a pretty mellow place too. What's the word Josephine uses, sedate? We know the Starkhaven Circle was a hot pot and was rebelling years before Anders did the thing, but Ostwick seems to have been a rather lukewarm and liberal Circle too, letting mages go home on occasion. Trev can't even properly claim it was due to her noble family, as she puts her own family very low on the Ostwick nobility food chain in the same conversation.

 

(...) But if he did take some time for himself, might have been for a walk or a visit to his family. Cullen did say in DAI he has not seen his family in years. Could have been when he had a day off or said "Goodbye" when he was transferred to Kirkwall-maybe both.

 

Cullen does say he never told family of his transfer to Kirkwall. They thought he had died in the Kinloch disaster, it took Mia two years to locate him in Kirkwall, and she proper chewed him out for it then.



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Yes, there were various Circles where the Circle itself was there just for show, the mages weren't even living in them (most notably in Rivain and Antiva, where we have the accounts of rebel Templars coming down for a war and finding the Circles long empty and the mages all living outside in nearby cities and villages). And even in the Circles that were supposed to be the most strict like Kirkwall and the White Spire, mages like Bethany and Rhys, who were proven to be trustworthy, had permission to leave the Circle unsupervised on occasion.
 

Kinloch Hold was, by all accounts, a very liberal Circle - from what we learn in Broken Circle, maybe too liberal for its own good, as it was Irving's brilliant plan of making Uldred encourage the study of blood magic among the students that set the roots for the disaster there. In any case, it seems to have been a fairly easygoing Circle, at least until Anders' repeated escape attempts ruined it for everyone. He and Finn will both tell you that the mages used to go outside the tower, swim the lake, etc, until they had to stop the outings after then Nth time Anders tried to make a run (swim) for it.

 

Ostwick seems to have been a pretty mellow place too. What's the word Josephine uses, sedate? We know the Starkhaven Circle was a hot pot and was rebelling years before Anders did the thing, but Ostwick seems to have been a rather lukewarm and liberal Circle too, letting mages go home on occasion. Trev can't even properly claim it was due to her noble family, as she puts her own family very low on the Ostwick nobility food chain in the same conversation.

 

 

Cullen does say he never told family of his transfer to Kirkwall. They thought he had died in the Kinloch disaster, it took Mia two years to locate him in Kirkwall, and she proper chewed him out for it then.

 

 

Does not mean he did not stop and visit before he got word he was being transferred.



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Does not mean he did not stop and visit before he got word he was being transferred.

 

No, of course not. I like the idea of him visiting on his off-duty days while he was in Kinloch and things were still alright at the Circle... it's cute to imagine him going home and coming back with his pack full of food because mama Noodle thinks her boy's too skinny and needs more cookies in his bones.


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No, of course not. I like the idea of him visiting on his off-duty days while he was in Kinloch and things were still alright at the Circle... it's cute to imagine him going home and coming back with his pack full of food because mama Noodle thinks her boy's too skinny and needs more cookies in his bones.

 

My Inquisitor can be his cookie and they can bone.

 

Giggity.

 

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Didn't his family live in Ferelden? I don't think it is as easy as taking the weekend off to travel such a distance before the invention of quick transportation. So I don't think he visited family often, if it all. I do think he wrote lots of letters.

 

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I'm in doubt now as tt has been some time since I played the game, was writing the letters back to his family a new thing or? 



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Didn't his family live in Ferelden? I don't think it is as easy as taking the weekend off to travel such a distance before the invention of quick transportation. So I don't think he visited family often, if it all. I do think he wrote lots of letters.

 

"edit"

 

I'm in doubt now as tt has been some time since I played the game, was writing the letters back to his family a new thing or? 

Cullen's family lived just outside of Honleth in Ferdelan (same farm town you visit to get Shale in DAO DLC). After the Blight, his family moved to South Reach-which is kind of in-between Denerium and the Bercilian Forest.



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Ostwick seems to have been a pretty mellow place too. What's the word Josephine uses, sedate? We know the Starkhaven Circle was a hot pot and was rebelling years before Anders did the thing, but Ostwick seems to have been a rather lukewarm and liberal Circle too, letting mages go home on occasion. Trev can't even properly claim it was due to her noble family, as she puts her own family very low on the Ostwick nobility food chain in the same conversation.

 

Wait?! The Trevelyans aren't the rulers of Ostwick? "scrambles off to re-write details in backstory fic" 



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Hmm. I thought you had to turn off PPA in game in order to get 1.5 to work.

 

<Pouts> All these purdy screenshots makes me sad. :(

 

Yeah, I've always keept PPA on high and everything works dandy for me. I notice a difference with it on vs off. I may have gone a tad overboard with my outside AA tweaking. I use:

 

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Wait?! The Trevelyans aren't the rulers of Ostwick? "scrambles off to re-write details in backstory fic" 

 

When Josephine asks to speak about your family, the sarcastic option has Trev saying the Trevelyans are "the seventh or eight" most influential family in Ostwick in a very derisive tone, and Josie saying something to the effect that the Orlesian nobility is willing to overlook how low your family ranks because at least you're of noble blood at all. I think this dialogue is available for mages too because it's not in a special branch, but it's definitely there for the warrior/rogue Trev.

 

The Trevelyans do seem to be as numerous and divided and bickering among themselves as the Pentaghasts from the war table missions you get involving them, and several of Trev's relatives do have the title of Bann, but they seem to be rather minor nobility and are likely not ruling Ostwick, to be ranking so low. It ruined quite a few of my pre-release ideas and premises for my Trev too, heh. ;) So much for my old headcanon of Mama Trev being the Teyrna of Ostwick and equivalent in power to Sebastian in Starkhaven and Hawke in Kirkwall, my Trev's siblings bickering for the throne, etc...



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Cullen's family lived just outside of Honleth in Ferdelan (same farm town you visit to get Shale in DAO DLC). After the Blight, his family moved to South Reach-which is kind of in-between Denerium and the Bercilian Forest.

That's not a day trip from Kinloch Hold, however, even by horseback. Either place was at least a couple of weeks away (check Dagna's estimate of travel time from Orzammar and back, and it was closer).



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Yeah, my SweetFX settings and in-game settings have changed since then, so here's the current information:
 
Spoiler

 

 

Thank you!

 

And that explains why Cullen's face looks so much sharper despite using very similar SFX settings. Would you be willing to share that face texture? Pretty pwease???  :wub:



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When Josephine asks to speak about your family, the sarcastic option has Trev saying the Trevelyans are "the seventh or eight" most influential family in Ostwick in a very derisive tone, and Josie saying something to the effect that the Orlesian nobility is willing to overlook how low your family ranks because at least you're of noble blood at all. I think this dialogue is available for mages too because it's not in a special branch, but it's definitely there for the warrior/rogue Trev.

 

The Trevelyans do seem to be as numerous and divided and bickering among themselves as the Pentaghasts from the war table missions you get involving them, and several of Trev's relatives do have the title of Bann, but they seem to be rather minor nobility and are likely not ruling Ostwick, to be ranking so low. It ruined quite a few of my pre-release ideas and premises for my Trev too, heh. ;) So much for my old headcanon of Mama Trev being the Teyrna of Ostwick and equivalent in power to Sebastian in Starkhaven and Hawke in Kirkwall, my Trev's siblings bickering for the throne, etc...

 

I completely forgot about that. Oh well, my story can still be salvaged, just requires the Trevelyans to be one of the major families of the city. So I'll still have to bend the canon a bit lol.

 

Also, any chane that someone here has read the DA books? I haven't. but my backstory fic have a conversation that refers to events most likely covered in one of the books.


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Hi people,

So you can't be a Cousland (or most-so like the Couslands) who are one of the Teryns ? Oh, well that's okay because I just pre-planned all of my world States. Also, does anyone have a Female Amell or Surana with Alistair (as a Grey Warden, you see to little of King Alistair). Because, I totally think Cullen would have something to say to Alistair if he romanced Amell or Surana and if he was GW.

(My laptop is crap, I have to wait until I get a actual computer I get Inquisition.... sighs sadly)



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Yes, there were various Circles where the Circle itself was there just for show, the mages weren't even living in them (most notably in Rivain and Antiva, where we have the accounts of rebel Templars coming down for a war and finding the Circles long empty and the mages all living outside in nearby cities and villages). And even in the Circles that were supposed to be the most strict like Kirkwall and the White Spire, mages like Bethany and Rhys, who were proven to be trustworthy, had permission to leave the Circle unsupervised on occasion.
 

Kinloch Hold was, by all accounts, a very liberal Circle - from what we learn in Broken Circle, maybe too liberal for its own good, as it was Irving's brilliant plan of making Uldred encourage the study of blood magic among the students that set the roots for the disaster there. In any case, it seems to have been a fairly easygoing Circle, at least until Anders' repeated escape attempts ruined it for everyone. He and Finn will both tell you that the mages used to go outside the tower, swim the lake, etc, until they had to stop the outings after then Nth time Anders tried to make a run (swim) for it.

 

Ostwick seems to have been a pretty mellow place too. What's the word Josephine uses, sedate? We know the Starkhaven Circle was a hot pot and was rebelling years before Anders did the thing, but Ostwick seems to have been a rather lukewarm and liberal Circle too, letting mages go home on occasion. Trev can't even properly claim it was due to her noble family, as she puts her own family very low on the Ostwick nobility food chain in the same conversation.

 

 

Cullen does say he never told family of his transfer to Kirkwall. They thought he had died in the Kinloch disaster, it took Mia two years to locate him in Kirkwall, and she proper chewed him out for it then.

A lot depends on which version of Kinloch Hold you get. I never got anything out of Broken Circle suggesting it was an easygoing circle in terms of being able to leave. When you play a mage, even after you finish your Harrowing, you're told you can't leave, and it's clear that you've never been able to go even outside the door of the tower. The problem is, they've been very inconsistent in how they've described Kinloch alone, must less other circles. My impression in DAO was that it was very, very difficult to get permission to leave, even to assist with defense (the knight-commander was having a cow about Duncan and Cailan wanting more than the 8 or 9 mages he sent (with Templar guards) to Ostagar. Wynne seemed to have a particularly privileged existence in being able to come and go.


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Hey guys! Help me out here? I'm working on a seriously long fic that weaves a ton of new scenes with canon, and I need to understand...

 

Why exactly is Cullen SOOOOO amused about the Chantry being in an uproar about you being called the Herald of Andraste? I mean, he's clearly very amused when he asks you, "It's quite the title, isn't it? How do you feel about it?" and I think two of the replies you make result in him actually laughing his way through this response, "I'm sure the Chantry would agree."

 

Thoughts?

 

ETA: I mean usually he's the one who's all serious at the war table, and this time it's Josie, Lel and Cass being very serious about this, and here he is just so TICKLED about it.


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A lot depends on which version of Kinloch Hold you get. I never got anything out of Broken Circle suggesting it was an easygoing circle in terms of being able to leave. When you play a mage, even after you finish your Harrowing, you're told you can't leave, and it's clear that you've never been able to go even outside the door of the tower. (....)

 

What I mentioned of Broken Circle wasn't related to being able to leave the Circle or not, it was a tangential side note about Kinloch being rather liberal in the study of magic - Irving actively encouraged Uldred to teach and tease students with blood magic to root out potential threats (an idiotic idea if I've ever seen one, but then this is First-Enchanter "help Jowan destroy his phylactery so we can't trace him when you also help him escape" Irving we're talking about).

 

What Anders and Finn mention in Awakening and Witch Hunt isn't related to leaving to shore either; they both mention the mages having regular outings around the tower before Anders ruined it, like a beach day of sorts. If fits the timeline that your Surana/Amell never has never left the tower before - they weren't a harrowed mage yet when that was allowed, and by the time they would have been allowed outings, Anders' final escape would have indefinitely closed that door to them. As for leaving the Circle itself, we do know that senior Enchanters were allowed under special circumstances (Wynne during the Blight, Wilhelm during the civil war, the... mage whose name I can't recall during The Calling), but not much else of how regular or exceptional these outings were.



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Sitting here thinking about it, and earlier it occurred to me that Cullen is one of the few characters you never have a conversation with about being the Herald... I think maybe Viv and Iron Bull are the only other ones? And I wondered why that was, especially if you get into a relationship with him. It seems like it should come up. And intended to explore that. But now I wonder if he finds the whole thing so amusing because he finds the idea preposterous? and maybe that's why it never comes up?

 

He always seems to respect your title, though, even if that's the case.


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Hey guys! Help me out here? I'm working on a seriously long fic that weaves a ton of new scenes with canon, and I need to understand...

 

Why exactly is Cullen SOOOOO amused about the Chantry being in an uproar about you being called the Herald of Andraste? I mean, he's clearly very amused when he asks you, "It's quite the title, isn't it? How do you feel about it?" and I think two of the replies you make result in him actually laughing his way through this response, "I'm sure the Chantry would agree."

 

Thoughts?

 

ETA: I mean usually he's the one who's all serious at the war table, and this time it's Josie, Lel and Cass being very serious about this, and here he is just so TICKLED about it.

 

I tend to think of it as more sarcastic then true laughter. Cullen is more like, lets go, get this done. But is peeved because The Chantry keeps butting in and causing issues. Sometimes while in the company of people you know, the person deflects their anger by being sarcastic.

 

Kind of like your trying to get to work early to get stuff done and for no reason you end up in a traffic jam.



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Sitting here thinking about it, and earlier it occurred to me that Cullen is one of the few characters you never have a conversation with about being the Herald... I think maybe Viv and Iron Bull are the only other ones? And I wondered why that was, especially if you get into a relationship with him. It seems like it should come up. And intended to explore that. But now I wonder if he finds the whole thing so amusing because he finds the idea preposterous? and maybe that's why it never comes up?

 

He always seems to respect your title, though, even if that's the case.

 

^^^ This has always bothered me.

 

Cullen is the only one in the Inner Circle who never makes a commentary on your title. I kept waiting the first game-play where Cullen and The Inquisitor had at least some sort of conversation in regards to it. Sure, he respects the title but never says what he thinks about it-if you are or are not,

 

After a dozen plus game plays this still bothers me to no end.



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Also, any chance that someone here has read the DA books? I haven't. but my backstory fic have a conversation that refers to events most likely covered in one of the books.

 

Which part in specific? I've read all the books, I think Elu and Monica and R2 have too, maybe we can help.

 

Also, does anyone have a Female Amell or Surana with Alistair (as a Grey Warden, you see to little of King Alistair). Because, I totally think Cullen would have something to say to Alistair if he romanced Amell or Surana and if he was GW.

 

Cullen doesn't interact with Warden Alistair (or even Hawke) at all, unfortunately. He has one brief line about the mage Warden in conversation with the Inquisitor, and another line with Leliana if you have a mage Warden import and your Inquisitor is not romancing Cullen, but he doesn't speak directly to Alistair about it. (you can always headcanon that it happens, though, it might be an important conversation to have for both of them)


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What I mentioned of Broken Circle wasn't related to being able to leave the Circle or not, it was a tangential side note about Kinloch being rather liberal in the study of magic - Irving actively encouraged Uldred to teach and tease students with blood magic to root out potential threats (an idiotic idea if I've ever seen one, but then this is First-Enchanter "help Jowan destroy his phylactery so we can't trace him when you also help him escape" Irving we're talking about).

 

What Anders and Finn mention in Awakening and Witch Hunt isn't related to leaving to shore either; they both mention the mages having regular outings around the tower before Anders ruined it, like a beach day of sorts. If fits the timeline that your Surana/Amell never has never left the tower before - they weren't a harrowed mage yet when that was allowed, and by the time they would have been allowed outings, Anders' final escape would have indefinitely closed that door to them. As for leaving the Circle itself, we do know that senior Enchanters were allowed under special circumstances (Wynne during the Blight, Wilhelm during the civil war, the... mage whose name I can't recall during The Calling), but not much else of how regular or exceptional these outings were.

I never actually played Witch Hunt and didn't pay a lot of attention to Anders in Awakening, honestly. I was mostly talking about mages being confined and unable to leave and being watched minutely, which the main game of DAO suggests. Walking outside the tower for an hour or two to see the sun while Templars glower at you isn't freedom to leave. I think we were actually talking about very different things when we were talking about Kinloch being relaxed. It's obvious from Kinloch and Kirkwall that Templars have had very little idea at times of what mages were actually studying in the way of magic, especially if it was academic rather than actually performing magic, so in that sense, I agree with you (that was one of Greagoir's failings). However, when was it said that Irving encouraged the study of blood magic?

 

When I talk about relaxed, I'm talking about ordinary things like being able to leave the tower and have relationships (at least ones that don't have to be hidden because at best, they'll be used against you if not actively forbidden.) Much less having children. Wilhelm was a DLC and made no sense in context of the rest of what they said about mages in DAO's main game, unless he was being protected by Marric and Cailan until his death.



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Which part in specific? I've read all the books, I think Elu and Monica and R2 have too, maybe we can help.

 

 

 

Only ones I have not read were: Mask of the Empire and The Last Flight. I've been too busy to doing other crap...like romancing Cullen. :D



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Also, any chane that someone here has read the DA books? I haven't. but my backstory fic have a conversation that refers to events most likely covered in one of the books.

I have read all the novels multiple times over. What do you wish to know?



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I never actually played Witch Hunt and didn't pay a lot of attention to Anders in Awakening, honestly. I was mostly talking about mages being confined and unable to leave and being watched minutely, which the main game of DAO suggests. Walking outside the tower for an hour or two to see the sun while Templars glower at you isn't freedom to leave. I think we were actually talking about very different things when we were talking about Kinloch being relaxed. It's obvious from Kinloch and Kirkwall that Templars have had very little idea at times of what mages were actually studying in the way of magic, especially if it was academic rather than actually performing magic, so in that sense, I agree with you (that was one of Greagoir's failings). However, when was it said that Irving encouraged the study of blood magic?

 

When I talk about relaxed, I'm talking about ordinary things like being able to leave the tower and have relationships (at least ones that don't have to be hidden because at best, they'll be used against you if not actively forbidden.) Much less having children. Wilhelm was a DLC and made no sense in context of the rest of what they said about mages in DAO's main game, unless he was being protected by Marric and Cailan until his death.

In regards to Kinloch, it's apparently due to Anders' multiple escapes attempts that the Circle mages of that specific tower were more restricted.



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Why exactly is Cullen SOOOOO amused about the Chantry being in an uproar about you being called the Herald of Andraste? I mean, he's clearly very amused when he asks you, "It's quite the title, isn't it? How do you feel about it?" and I think two of the replies you make result in him actually laughing his way through this response, "I'm sure the Chantry would agree."

 

Thoughts?

 

Cullen sounds particularly cynical about the Chantry throughout several conversations with the IQ, the other advisors, and his lines on war table missions. This is the general feeling all Templars have about the Chantry after the war broke out, though - Justinia did throw the Templars under the bus, so there's a general sense of contempt in them about the Chantry at large (Barris, Lysette, Rylen and Belinda all echo this feeling of being used and abandoned by the Chantry, and Cullen doesn't even disagree when Samson himself expresses this too).

 

But taking from the way he treats the clerics at Haven with absolute disregard, cracks sarcastic jokes about the Chantry representatives across Orlais, talks about Justinia like it's whatever if she's dead or not, and even pokes fun at Leliana and Cassandra should they be elected Divine, I get the impression that Cullen is deflecting his disillusionment with the Chantry with humor, or distilling it with sarcasm at this point. So when he laughs at your title in that first scene and shrugs off any answer you give him, I have the sense that's what he's doing - being cynical and treating Cassandra and Leliana's theatrics a bit like a joke, because the Chantry has become a joke to him. He's there for the Inquisition and the cause of order and peace, but not for Cass and Leli's romanticized views of the Chantry and their personal drives to rebuild it around some manufactured inspirational figure of a Maker-sent Herald.