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[kalasaurus]

Didn't the spirit at the gauntlet call Leliana out on never having a vision at all, and just making it up for the attention? IIRC she insisted on the story, but that guy was pretty good at calling out beeswax. It does match her lines early in DAI about how she "used to think" she was special, too.

I think it's meant to be left ambiguous.  The Guardian calls people out on their fears and doubts, which may or may not be true.  Leliana may have secretly feared that the people in the Chantry who didn't believe her may have been right.  For example, the Guardian also claims that the City Elf is responsible for what happened to Shianni because they weren't fast enough, and the City Elf can put the blame on Vaughn or themselves in response.

[Hellion Rex]

I think it's meant to be left ambiguous.  The Guardian calls people out on their fears and doubts, which may or may not be true.  Leliana may have secretly feared that the people in the Chantry who didn't believe her may have been right.  For example, the Guardian also claims that the City Elf is responsible for what happened to Shianni because they weren't fast enough, and the City Elf can put the blame on Vaughn or themselves in response.

True, I think it's open to interpretation.

 

I can see either version being true.

[Tarlonniel]

There's also Leliana's remarkable resistance to the taint, which is never explained.

[Hellion Rex]

There's also Leliana's remarkable resistance to the taint, which is never explained.

Huh?

[Cantina]

There's also Leliana's remarkable resistance to the taint, which is never explained.

Don't forget Fiona too.

[Tishina]

GAH. TOO MANY QUESTIONS.

 

Re: Sera, I don't think she's some reincarnation of Andruil, but perhaps there really is something more to her.

 

Re: Leliana, maybe she was touched by a Spirit?

 

And in regards to other deities running around, I think that Solas didn't necessarily imprison them all. However, I do think Elgarnan was definitely imprisoned as Flemeth mentions that Mythal "was betrayed as I was betrayed". Were both betrayed by a husband, perhaps?

 

I think that Elgarnan was possibly the one deity that started messing stuff up (infected by the Taint?). Perhaps spread it to several other deities as he kept trying to slay them all? Also, my mind keeps coming back to the:

"For one moment there is an image of a shifting, shadowy mass with blazing eyes, whose form may be one or many. Then it fades." This part of the codex comes right after the part where Mythal sends the one elf who tried to shapeshift into a dragon to Elgarnan for judgment.

http://dragonage.wik...t_Elven_Writing

 

 

As for Sandal...I wonder if he's related to June, the god of crafts. What is Sandal if not a creator of enchantments?

http://dragonage.wik...Mystery_of_June

I've had Sera and Solas pretty constantly together in two of my PTs, and he says some things to her that make me think there's something different about her, whether she's connected to Andruil or not. In particular, he asks her at one point what color the sky is when she looks at it, and when she says blue, mostly, except for the breach, he asks her what she sees past the breach. "Greenish? Then clear a long ways, and kinda felt like falling..." then she gets mad at him, lol.

 

I thought the guardian was probing at doubts and fears, not actual facts, like Alistair blaming himself for Duncan dying, a city elf for not getting to Shianni in time, a Cousland for "deserting" her parents, so I don't take what he said to Leliana as more than testing the strength of her convictions by making her face her own doubts. I took his grilling as making people face their own secret doubts now rather than having someone later use them against them as a weapon.

 

Interesting quote about Elgarnan. I've been convinced that there are parallels between Mythal, Andraste, and Flemeth.

 

I've wondered the same things about Sandal's possible connection to June, but Dagna is also clearly remarkable and incredibly driven.

 

Huh?

In the future at Redcliffe, there's something about Leliana being particularly resistant to, I think, red lyrium, but we also know it's tainted (I don't remember a direct reference to it.) Her appearance was connected to them trying to use it against her.

[Tarlonniel]

During "In Hushed Whispers" Alexius is doing ungodly experiments on her - grafting bits of her onto Felix, I don't remember what else, it was gross - because she's proven to be almost immune to the blight.

 

I think what Solas is trying to do in those conversations is bring out Sera's "elfiness." She hates it, of course.

[Hellion Rex]

During "In Hushed Whispers" Alexius is doing ungodly experiments on her - grafting bits of her onto Felix, I don't remember what else, it was gross - because she's proven to be almost immune to the blight.

....how the hell did I miss that? That makes sense, now that I think about it.

 

However, I think that perhaps Leliana might just have literally been born that way. She might just be a rare person that exhibits are greater resistance or immunity to the taint.

[kalasaurus]

During In Hushed Whispers, you can find this journal entry that mentions Leliana's resistance to the Blight (copy/pasted from the Wiki):

 

Studies on the Blight

Introduction of blight to prisoners yields no discernible pattern. Disease progresses erratically; some subjects die within hours despite all efforts, others show no symptoms at all. Subjects may harbor some natural resistance, which makes isolation and testing a priority.

A Later Entry Follows:

 

Six more subjects died. Transfusions of blood from resistant prisoners slow the rate of corruption only slightly. Healthy flesh taken from live subjects and implanted in the infected will often die even before corruption spreads to it. In cases where implantation is successful, blight corruption spreads across donor flesh faster than host flesh. Prisoner Leliana has been the most useful source of resistant blood and skin to date.

[riverbanks]

Arguably, all of the Warden's companions have remarkable resistance to the taint, as they all spent the same time together in the middle of a Blight/under the Deep Roads and none of them were ever tainted. Maybe this resistance of Leliana's is just a product of spending a long time directly exposed to it during the Fifth Blight, and Zevran/Sten/etc would show the same under those circumstances.

 

Hawke's companions have pretty good resistance as well - of all the time they spend in the Deep Roads between the various incursions during game and Legacy, Carver/Bethany is the only one affected too.

[timebean]

I find it very odd that Sandal was not in DAI.  I mean, they had it all set up perfectly for him to be there...ie, he and Bodahn tell Hawke they are going to hang out with Empress Celene.  His absence is a little too obvious imo...I really do think he is gonna show up in DLC.

 

I never really considered Leliana's resistance to the red lyrium...but when you consider it as well as her DAO visions...maybe there actually is something there.

 

I feel like a read a book once (or maybe it was a Tv show??) where all the main chracters all turned out to be gods who had basically wiped their own memories in order to experience life anew.  Like, that was the big twist in the end.  i wonder if the writers are gonna pull something like that?

 

Gah, i hope not..it would be like the 'Dallas' dream season all over again!

 

Although, if that was the case...who would Cullen be?

[Tarlonniel]

Except Leliana wasn't necessarily with the Warden during the Blight.

[Hellion Rex]

I've had Sera and Solas pretty constantly together in two of my PTs, and he says some things to her that make me think there's something different about her, whether she's connected to Andruil or not. In particular, he asks her at one point what color the sky is when she looks at it, and when she says blue, mostly, except for the breach, he asks her what she sees past the breach. "Greenish? Then clear a long ways, and kinda felt like falling..." then she gets mad at him, lol.

Interesting quote about Elgarnan. I've been convinced that there are parallels between Mythal, Andraste, and Flemeth.

 

I've wondered the same things about Sandal's possible connection to June, but Dagna is also clearly remarkable and incredibly driven.

 

Huh. Re: Sera, I wonder what other elves would say when asked that question. It may not be so much a Sera thing as an elven thing. Kinda like how the eluvians affect elves differently.

 

And about Sandal and June, perhaps June found a way to live on past that dark age. He could have created something that could ensure his survival or the survival of his powers.

[Hellion Rex]

Arguably, all of the Warden's companions have remarkable resistance to the taint, as they all spent the same time together in the middle of a Blight/under the Deep Roads and none of them were ever tainted. Maybe this resistance of Leliana's is just a product of spending a long time directly exposed to it during the Fifth Blight, and Zevran/Sten/etc would show the same under those circumstances.

 

Hawke's companions have pretty good resistance as well - of all the time they spend in the Deep Roads between the various incursions during game and Legacy, Carver/Bethany is the only one affected too.

I think that's a bit of lore and gameplay segregation.

[riverbanks]

Except Leliana wasn't necessarily with the Warden during the Blight.

 

Barely any of the companions were there at all, if we start going down that line of dismissal.

 

I think that's a bit of lore and gameplay segregation.

 

Is it? Carver/Bethany do get affected by the taint, so the risk is there. 

[Hellion Rex]

Interesting stuff about the Fade that Dagna found out.

 

https://youtu.be/fWNE6qoGA2k?t=1m21s

[Tishina]

I think they've done a bit of handwaving as far as the blight goes. You have people who are infected after one encounter, but your companions can get soaked in in but still not contract it. But Leliana's the only companion or former companion that has had it specifically pointed out. It may mean nothing, of course, they aren't precisely the most consistent in their lore, but I was pointing to her with a collection of other unique individuals.

 

During "In Hushed Whispers" Alexius is doing ungodly experiments on her - grafting bits of her onto Felix, I don't remember what else, it was gross - because she's proven to be almost immune to the blight.

 

I think what Solas is trying to do in those conversations is bring out Sera's "elfiness." She hates it, of course.

Maybe, but he never makes the same kinds of remarks to an elven IQ, trying to get them to extend their perceptions, etc. So it may just be that, but taken with her unnatural talent at archery and the fact she's otherwise almost the antithesis of Andruil makes me put her in the "unique" category.

[Hellion Rex]

Interesting stuff about the Fade that Dagna found out.

 

https://youtu.be/fWNE6qoGA2k?t=1m21s

huh. I'm starting to think that "The Stone" the dwarves worship is really just lyrium at it's most primal. And it sounds like the dwarven race has been cut off from the flow of the Stone, this perhaps being what took their ability to dream.

[riverbanks]

I feel like a read a book once (or maybe it was a Tv show??) where all the main chracters all turned out to be gods who had basically wiped their own memories in order to experience life anew.  (....) Although, if that was the case...who would Cullen be?

 

The one guy who is not a god/entity/super duper sparkly special snowflake? Pretty please? His "average Joe" archetype is one of the most appealing things about his character to me, I'd really rather Cullen wasn't another all powerful super secret god-type. I'm content with him being just the guy next door.

[Thane4Ever]

I also assumed Sera's responses to Solas were due to her being an elf in general, not necessarily special.

 

I wonder if Dagna is a reincarnation of theTitans.

[Thane4Ever]

The one guy who is not a god/entity/super duper sparkly special snowflake? Pretty please? His "average Joe" archetype is one of the most appealing things about his character to me, I'd really rather Cullen wasn't another all powerful super secret god-type. I'm content with him being just the guy next door.

Like Matt in The Vampire Diaries? I haven't watched it in forever but I always hoped he'd stay human.

[MelissaGT]

Like Matt in The Vampire Diaries? I haven't watched it in forever but I always hoped he'd stay human.

 

Poor Matt, always getting beat on. 

[Tishina]

I also assumed Sera's responses to Solas were due to her being an elf in general, not necessarily special.

 

I wonder if Dagna is a reincarnation of theTitans.

Yes, but she did see something past the breach, and there are a couple of other conversations that seem odd, and not simply attempts by Solas to get her to be more "elfie" . I'm not necessarily making a case for her to be an avatar of Andruil or anything, just suggesting there could be something unusual connected to her. Do I want everyone to turn out to be "special snowflakes?" Not really. But I always assume there are things about everyone in the game that we don't know about.

 

 

The one guy who is not a god/entity/super duper sparkly special snowflake? Pretty please? His "average Joe" archetype is one of the most appealing things about his character to me, I'd really rather Cullen wasn't another all powerful super secret god-type. I'm content with him being just the guy next door.

You must have some very unusual people living next door

[kalasaurus]

You must have some very unusual people living next door

I wish Cullen lived next door to me.

[riverbanks]

Like Matt in The Vampire Diaries? I haven't watched it in forever but I always hoped he'd stay human.

 

I don't watch TVD, so we could go with... Vega? You know, that one guy who's just a bro at the end of the day, nothing special about him, but he's still sweet to be around.

 

You must have some very unusual people living next door

 

"Unusual" is one word for my dear neighbours, yeah. I have others, but this is a safe for work board.