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The Official Cullen Discussion Thread v.3.0

Débuté par R2s Muse , avril 12 2014 12:35

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#128901
Tishina

Posté 17 mars 2015 - 03:22

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Helpful & strict ain't always go opposite IMO. He can be "close" & care a lot about his men, but being strict on the same thing. In what I understand from Cullen is that he's very very strict to himself & his men & expect everyone to have a high standard. I personally believe the more he care about his men, the stricter he'll be. Sometimes being strict to a high standard can save his men's life no? If you're sloppy with your training the chance you'll get killed increase. That does not stop him to actually care a lot & be close to his men.

Yea I remember talking a lot to Rylen because of Cullen...

It's too bad we don't have Rylen-Cullen direct convo, it'll be interesting. Rylen was a templar too...

Exactly! "Strict" in the military doesn't have the negative meanings it can have in non-military life. Harsh is another thing entirely, of course, and Cullen's definitely not harsh. Of course, I think of these things as ex-military myself. Sloppy unit discipline, disrespect for officers, all can lead to disasters in the field when men don't react immediately to orders. A "soft" officer or sergeant would be pulled from command immediately by any good general.

In fact before we knew Cullen was with the Inquisition from the beginning, I pictured him arriving at Haven to find a Trevelyan warrior chewing someone out colorfully because she was trained for military command, then explaining to him that being soft on them meant they wouldn't be well trained and would be more likely to get killed (which is rather different than the kind of training knights would receive because it isn't focused on personal heroics but on unit cohesion and effectiveness.) I'm kind of sorry that they gloss over the difference between the two, honestly, though the idea that Templars are trained as both knights and as military units makes some sense (I wouldn't have gotten that from DAO, though.) But I also realize that's a distinction that very few people would be aware of (and fewer care about, lol.)

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#128902
Tarlonniel

Posté 17 mars 2015 - 03:34

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Realistically, Cullen would have very little interaction with the rank and file of the Inquisition's forces, and not much to do with day-to-day operations - all that would be the province of his junior officers. The CO of a large command is responsible for big picture type stuff and would be primarily familiar with their senior officers. That said, yeah, I definitely see him being strict, but also never forgetting what it was like to be down there in the trenches. My favorite officers were always the ones who came up through the enlisted ranks and remembered what that was like - they had an excellent grasp of the duties and responsibilities of command both to their superiors and their subordinates. The worst officers were the ambitious ones, the micro-managers (who couldn't trust anyone to get things right but themselves) and those who felt themselves superior to everyone below them. Cullen is none of the above, thank the Maker!

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#128903
Cerulione

Posté 17 mars 2015 - 03:37

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Hmmm I have no idea how things work in real life today's military, but from what we see in Haven Cullen seems to still hold a direct control over the training of his men. Maybe after Skyhold it's no more under his direct command?

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#128904
Tarlonniel

Posté 17 mars 2015 - 03:40

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The size of the army in Haven is much, much smaller than it is afterwards. In fact, it apparently consists of about twenty men :lol: So Cullen is playing more of a junior officer role there.

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#128905
Tishina

Posté 17 mars 2015 - 03:44

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Hmmm I have no idea how things work in real life today's military, but from what we see in Haven Cullen seems to still hold a direct control over the training of his men. Maybe after Skyhold it's no more under his direct command?

They have a pretty small force still at Haven, though, and he's more supervising the people training the recruits even then rather than being directly responsible (i.e. pointing out things they're missing, etc.) You never see him doing anything like that at Skyhold. Though I suspect he remains somewhat hands on, keeping a discrete eye on which of his officers and sergeants are doing the best training and who is sloppy.

:ph34r: by Tarloniel, lol.

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#128906
skylark

Posté 17 mars 2015 - 03:48

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Hmmm I have no idea how things work in real life today's military, but from what we see in Haven Cullen seems to still hold a direct control over the training of his men. Maybe after Skyhold it's no more under his direct command?

Well back in haven they had a lot less forces right? Like they were still a baby organization. So he probably was a lot more involved than post skyhold. Because ya I remember talking to him in haven and he would make direct comments about the mens' training. When he first joined I'm sure he knew it would be like that. And once they were at skyhold and had an actual standing army he could assume the role he originally joined for - overseeing the big operation. And they had morepeople to fill other roles like trainers etc. But because he was familiar with everyone from haven he might have a better relationship with some of the troops because of that? That's my guess anyway.

Plus he's got his own office now so office trumps barracks and the sparring arena.

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#128907
Tishina

Posté 17 mars 2015 - 03:51

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I'd also add that at Haven, the officers and sergeants may have been so new to him that he was still unsure of who was competent and who wasn't. At Skyhold, he'd be better able to trust them to do their jobs while he focused on his.

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#128908
Tarlonniel

Posté 17 mars 2015 - 03:51

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I like to imagine Cullen occasionally pulling a Prince Hal and wandering about the tent city anonymously, getting a feel for how the men are really thinking and feeling.

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#128909
Cerulione

Posté 17 mars 2015 - 03:54

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I like to imagine Cullen occasionally pulling a Prince Hal and wandering about the tent city anonymously, getting a feel for how the men are really thinking and feeling.

Like what Bull made the quizzy did? That's an interesting notion. Or maybe just him being him? I mean he's the sort of guy that I can really feel his men can feel comfortable to actually give him an honest view & opinion, he gets that "touch" IMO.

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#128910
Tarlonniel

Posté 17 mars 2015 - 04:03

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I mean he's the sort of guy that I can really feel his men can feel comfortable to actually give him an honest view & opinion, he gets that "touch" IMO.

True, but even then, the bigger an organization gets and the more layers there are between you and the "masses," the more things tend to get lost. It's not on purpose, it's just... sort of like a game of telephone. And I think there's a tendency to lose sight of the individual people making up those masses when you're not interacting with them except as a unit. Cullen can't just pay the men a casual visit, though - when they know the CO's around soldiers typically get a bit nervous and formal, no matter how great the CO may be.

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#128911
skylark

Posté 17 mars 2015 - 04:25

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True, but even then, the bigger an organization gets and the more layers there are between you and the "masses," the more things tend to get lost. It's not on purpose, it's just... sort of like a game of telephone. And I think there's a tendency to lose sight of the individual people making up those masses when you're not interacting with them except as a unit. Cullen can't just pay the men a casual visit, though - when they know the CO's around soldiers typically get a bit nervous and formal, no matter how great the CO may be.

Reminds me of how Sera talks about the big and little people. Not to mention after the wicked grace game when varric's talking to IQ about reminding her that she's still a person.

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#128912
panichord

Posté 17 mars 2015 - 05:01

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Long time, no talk here.

Keep on keeping the fandom alive!

I haven't played the game since....december. So naturally I have nothing Culleny to add /shot. Glad to see many of you are still around though!

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#128913
Cerulione

Posté 17 mars 2015 - 05:07

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Long time, no talk here.

Keep on keeping the fandom alive!

I haven't played the game since....december. So naturally I have nothing Culleny to add /shot. Glad to see many of you are still around though!

Same here, haven't play the game since before Christmas...

Hola Panic, welcome back aboard

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#128914
Annarl

Posté 17 mars 2015 - 05:18

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Realistically, Cullen would have very little interaction with the rank and file of the Inquisition's forces, and not much to do with day-to-day operations - all that would be the province of his junior officers. The CO of a large command is responsible for big picture type stuff and would be primarily familiar with their senior officers. That said, yeah, I definitely see him being strict, but also never forgetting what it was like to be down there in the trenches. My favorite officers were always the ones who came up through the enlisted ranks and remembered what that was like - they had an excellent grasp of the duties and responsibilities of command both to their superiors and their subordinates. The worst officers were the ambitious ones, the micro-managers (who couldn't trust anyone to get things right but themselves) and those who felt themselves superior to everyone below them. Cullen is none of the above, thank the Maker!

Agreed. Cullen is essentially in charge of a medieval army (in relation to modern abilities) he would be out in the field a lot more than we see him. But that would make it hard for him to be able talk or romance the Inquisitor.