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[MelissaGT]

Honestly, I'm nowhere near a dwarf body type; when I was young, I could probably have modeled for the human female body shape, honestly. What attracted me to the female dwarves is their muscular build and attitude. A qunari female might have been fun if they hadn't taken most of the fun out of it by forcing her into a stereotype in the romance scenes.

 

My issues are that we're not really given a choice except slender and very slender and the choices are restricting, not expanding (even the qunari female looks tiny next to Iron Bull or Sten.) When they gutted the appearance of female dwarves, they wiped out the perception that these were muscular, athletic women with an attitude. Now they're just short humans who sometimes have an attitude. If you have a lot of imagination. Then throw in body shaming in reference to the DAO female dwarves, the most polite of which is "orangutan," sigh...

 

Didn't mean to sound like I was body shaming anybody. I was only pointing out that I appreciated the changes they made in DA:I in terms of body proportion. They could have still left them "powerful" or "muscular" while still fixing their arm length. The arms were the only thing that bothered me about DAO dwarves, just like I had a problem with how female humans and elves had "straight back" syndrome in light armor. It was easy enough to fix with mods. I've only ever played dwarven rogues, so not having a lot of muscle tone plays nicely with my "smexy curvacious lil' minx" description. 

 

DA:I dwarven women still don't look like "short humans" to me. They seem to be much more curvy with bigger bewbs. This would fit my body type (except that I'm 5'5").

 

One of the things Bioware has always missed in their games is a weight/height slider. I believe all our dreams would come true if this was a possibility. Then again, even games with weight/height sliders (*cough* Skyrim *cough*) need to be modded in order to give more realistic body proportion and muscle definition (depending on how far you want to).

[Tishina]

Didn't mean to sound like I was body shaming anybody. I was only pointing out that I appreciated the changes they made in DA:I in terms of body proportion. They could have still left them "powerful" or "muscular" while still fixing their arm length. The arms were the only thing that bothered me about DAO dwarves, just like I had a problem with how female humans and elves had "straight back" syndrome in light armor. It was easy enough to fix with mods. I've only ever played dwarven rogues, so not having a lot of muscle tone plays nicely with my "smexy curvacious lil' minx" description. 

 

DA:I dwarven women still don't look like "short humans" to me. They seem to be much more curvy with bigger bewbs. This would fit my body type (except that I'm 5'5").

 

One of the things Bioware has always missed in their games is a weight/height slider. I believe all our dreams would come true if this was a possibility. Then again, even games with weight/height sliders (*cough* Skyrim *cough*) need to be modded in order to give more realistic body proportion and muscle definition (depending on how far you want to).

The problem is - all of the female body types are fine...if you're playing a mage or prefer a lean rogue. For a muscular, athletic warrior? They gave an option for slender males (the Dalish), but wiped away the one athletic muscular female body type.

 

I would dearly love a weight/height slider, sigh (I'd probably max out the weight and height just once on a character to get it out of my system, then roll it back to simply muscular for warriors, slender for mages.) It was the one thing I liked about CoH's when friends tried to introduce me. I wasn't limited to a media-approved body size.

 

Edit: and I did guess you probably didn't mean it as more than the arm length which was poorly proportioned, but the same term is often used alone to make fun of the muscular shoulders and heavier build.

[Asperath]

The problem is - all of the female body types are fine...if you're playing a mage or prefer a lean rogue. For a muscular, athletic warrior? They gave an option for slender males (the Dalish), but wiped away the one athletic muscular female body type.

 

I would dearly love a weight/height slider, sigh (I'd probably max out the weight and height just once on a character to get it out of my system, then roll it back to simply muscular for warriors, slender for mages.) It was the one thing I liked about CoH's when friends tried to introduce me. I wasn't limited to a media-approved body size.

 

Edit: and I did guess you probably didn't mean it as more than the arm length which was poorly proportioned, but the same term is often used alone to make fun of the muscular shoulders and heavier build.

 

This is what I really wanted as well.

 

Although I do tend to play lean females I would of loved to be able to make my rogue a little mroe toned and lean esp around the arms as she's an archer.
ESO has the slider etc and I tend to adjust depending on class, like a "traditional" mage (for me) is going to be slender, not so athletic compared to a rogue and def compared to a warrior who I would love to give more muscle to.

 

EDIT: I have to say I tend not to play dwarves myself but I def understand your frustrations. The main reason why I find it difficult to play a dwarf is I have a thing about height when it comes to camera angle/view. I've tried & I will again but usually it will get too me (I know sounds stupid but the camera lowness really gets to me for some reason), otherwise I love them.

[Char]

Honestly, I'm nowhere near a dwarf body type; when I was young, I could probably have modeled for the human female body shape, honestly. What attracted me to the female dwarves is their muscular build and attitude. A qunari female might have been fun if they hadn't taken most of the fun out of it by forcing her into a stereotype in the romance scenes.
 
My issues are that we're not really given a choice except slender and very slender and the choices are restricting, not expanding (even the qunari female looks tiny next to Iron Bull or Sten.) When they gutted the appearance of female dwarves, they wiped out the perception that these were muscular, athletic women with an attitude. Now they're just short humans who sometimes have an attitude. If you have a lot of imagination. Then throw in body shaming in reference to the DAO female dwarves, the most polite of which is "orangutan," sigh...

Oh I completely agree. There are only so many delicate flowers I can stomach- but even Cass is very dainty despite being a human wrecking ball. I also miss the ability to show prowess in cutscenes. Would be nice for the Inquisitor to be able to show off a bit in the way that Hawke could (knife throwing etc) instead of being a more passive influence. But then again I find the Inquisitor quite a passive role in general, being shoehorned into the sensible leader role.

[Tishina]

This is what I really wanted as well.

 

Although I do tend to play lean females I would of loved to be able to make my rogue a little mroe toned and lean esp around the arms as she's an archer.
ESO has the slider etc and I tend to adjust depending on class, like a "traditional" mage (for me) is going to be slender, not so athletic compared to a rogue and def compared to a warrior who I would love to give more muscle to.

 

EDIT: I have to say I tend not to play dwarves myself but I def understand your frustrations. The main reason why I find it difficult to play a dwarf is I have a thing about height when it comes to camera angle/view. I've tried & I will again but usually it will get too me (I know sounds stupid but the camera lowness really gets to me for some reason), otherwise I love them.

I think a lot of what ticks me off is that a male human mage looks like he's been benchpressing farm animals for several hours a day while a female human S&S warrior looks as if she hasn't lifted anything heavier than a spoon in years by comparison (and with the horrid Skyhold pajamas, you can't create an illusion otherwise with armor.) While a very tiny percentage of people might be able to develop the muscularity to lift and hold up a sword and shield through long fights without overt shoulder and upper arm development (keeping a sword moving and holding up a shield effectively for any length of time is exhausting, those things are heavy,) they represent such a tiny percentage of the population that you could more easily say people born with white hair represent the average. I find it easier to play a Dalish warrior simply because neither sex has any upper body development, so obviously their muscular structure works differently. Body development ought to be related to class if you want to go with fixed body types, but sliders would obviously be the best option since people could give a mage a lot of muscle bulk or make a warrior visually lacking in muscle if that didn't disturb their sense of believability.

 

And yes, the height is a problem, partly because they didn't actually troubleshoot scenes using a dwarf apparently. I'm still dumbfounded that my dwarf and Varric had a conversation in a cutscene in which you spend a lot of time looking at a chair back (just so you're prepared for that if you do get that far, lol)

 

Oh I completely agree. There are only so many delicate flowers I can stomach- but even Cass is very dainty despite being a human wrecking ball. I also miss the ability to show prowess in cutscenes. Would be nice for the Inquisitor to be able to show off a bit in the way that Hawke could (knife throwing etc) instead of being a more passive influence. But then again I find the Inquisitor quite a passive role in general, being shoehorned into the sensible leader role.

And yet you still have people griping that she isn't pretty enough, sigh (which just makes me laugh because I think she's one of the most attractive female NPCs in any of the games.)

[skylark]

I think a lot of what ticks me off is that a male human mage looks like he's been benchpressing farm animals for several hours a day while a female human S&S warrior looks as if she hasn't lifted anything heavier than a spoon in years by comparison (and with the horrid Skyhold pajamas, you can't create an illusion otherwise with armor.) While a very tiny percentage of people might be able to develop the muscularity to lift and hold up a sword and shield through long fights without overt shoulder and upper arm development (keeping a sword moving and holding up a shield effectively for any length of time is exhausting, those things are heavy,) they represent such a tiny percentage of the population that you could more easily say people born with white hair represent the average. I find it easier to play a Dalish warrior simply because neither sex has any upper body development, so obviously their muscular structure works differently. Body development ought to be related to class if you want to go with fixed body types, but sliders would obviously be the best option since people could give a mage a lot of muscle bulk or make a warrior visually lacking in muscle if that didn't disturb their sense of believability.

And yes, the height is a problem, partly because they didn't actually troubleshoot scenes using a dwarf apparently. I'm still dumbfounded that my dwarf and Varric had a conversation in a cutscene in which you spend a lot of time looking at a chair back (just so you're prepared for that if you do get that far, lol)

And yet you still have people griping that she isn't pretty enough, sigh (which just makes me laugh because I think she's one of the most attractive female NPCs in any of the games.)

Wait people are actually complaining that Cass isn't pretty? And here I thought all of the companions were super attractive in their own way...

I think you're right though in that the best way to go would be different body types per class. But I honestly don't think they could do a wide margin slider for that simply because of character interaction. It's the same reason the Inquisitor couldn't have a ball gown because of the dance sequences. Although I suppose they coooould do it of they really wanted to but I understand the complications. It's the elves' builds though that have always gotten to me and probably why I've yet to play one. At least the women anyhow, have the body of a little old lady. Which reaaaally turns me off. Same goes for height though. I don't think they could do sliders because of eye tracking, but maybe like a short, average, and tall?

[FFZero]

While I’m all for diversity of body types in games I would just like to point out that being petite and slim does not mean that a person is weak or is lacking in musculature and warriors like Cass wouldn’t want to be big and bulky in terms of muscle mass in the first place. Warriors like her would focus on developing lean muscle rather than pure muscle mass as a larger muscle mass would slow her down and a warrior like Cass needs speed as much as strength. Just look at images of female fire fighters or weight lifters, most of the ones I have seen are fairly petite in size but you can clearly see the musculature and tell that they are just as strong as their male counterparts even though they’re not as bulky.

 

Still each to their own, I’ll just be over here RP’ing that my petite dalish elf is stronger than most humans despite being half their size.

[Teshayel]

I think having body sliders would help with immersion. That way, you can truly create the character that you wish to play. On the other hand, if it is very costly to implement, I would much rather have the extra resources invested in improving the story.

 

And, this has nothing to do with the present discussion, but I did not realize until now how popular the Cullen x Dorian ship was... I just got my eyes burnt out by a very graphic painting on DevArt while searching for new Cullen art... O_o (not that there's anything wrong with that) People are very passionate about Cullen

[jtav]

So would it be nuts for a radically liberal (as in Leliana would be Divine regardless of War Table operations) to romance Cullen? Mage freedom, Briala in power, etc? It's either him or Solas and he's such a good man despite political differences.

[MelissaGT]

So would it be nuts for a radically liberal (as in Leliana would be Divine regardless of War Table operations) to romance Cullen? Mage freedom, Briala in power, etc? It's either him or Solas and he's such a good man despite political differences.

 

Why not? The heart wants what the heart wants. In a real life example, two of my good friends are getting married to each other and they are complete polar opposites, politically and spiritually. One is super conservative Christian and the other is super liberal Neopagan. They manage. So there ya go!

[stop_him]

So would it be nuts for a radically liberal (as in Leliana would be Divine regardless of War Table operations) to romance Cullen? Mage freedom, Briala in power, etc? It's either him or Solas and he's such a good man despite political differences.

I always do "opposites attract" romances, different races, even different classes. Of course that depends on one's interpretation of the romance partner. 

 

Since I'm limited to human and elf for Cullen, I made a mage Dalish elf who somewhat has the personality of Dorian.

 

For IB, I made an Andrastrian, power-hungry, pro-Chantry, pro-Circle dwarf.

 

For Sera, I made a racist, human female who will reinstate the Chantry to put the lesser races in their place. She'll dump Sera eventually, not unlike Empress Celene.  If only the murder-knife was a possibility...

[Tishina]

While I’m all for diversity of body types in games I would just like to point out that being petite and slim does not mean that a person is weak or is lacking in musculature and warriors like Cass wouldn’t want to be big and bulky in terms of muscle mass in the first place. Warriors like her would focus on developing lean muscle rather than pure muscle mass as a larger muscle mass would slow her down and a warrior like Cass needs speed as much as strength. Just look at images of female fire fighters or weight lifters, most of the ones I have seen are fairly petite in size but you can clearly see the musculature and tell that they are just as strong as their male counterparts even though they’re not as bulky.

 

Still each to their own, I’ll just be over here RP’ing that my petite dalish elf is stronger than most humans despite being half their size.

I'm really not that interested in continuing the debate, other than to say that I think most people confuse the sort of lean strength of unarmored and unarmed or lightly armed martial arts which is ideal for a rogue with the weight-bearing strength needed for sword and shield and heavy armor which is a completely different type of muscle development---even weight lifting isn't the same because it isn't a continuous use of those muscles and it's a very limited range of motions. But my objection is primarily that they've gone to an extreme of slender for all body types (excluding possibly the qunari since we really don't have examples to judge qunari women against yet.) I have less trouble with the Dalish than the human and dwarves because it's obvious their muscular system works differently for both men and women to be so slender.

 

Back to topic: Have a short Cullen flirt!

And a group shot

[Tishina]

So would it be nuts for a radically liberal (as in Leliana would be Divine regardless of War Table operations) to romance Cullen? Mage freedom, Briala in power, etc? It's either him or Solas and he's such a good man despite political differences.

My Dalish mage is definitely on the mage freedom train, though otherwise I think she and Cullen agree on most things. Ironically, it's my dwarven archer who would best suit him politically, I think, lol...

[Cerulione]

To end the debate (or not, I don't follow it) and because I'm a tiny elf with big head who loves being Off Topic, I just send my favourite Grey Warden. Y'all need some Darkspawn.

 

[MelissaGT]

OT but I wanted to vent that SOME IDIOT BACKED INTO MY CAR in a parking lot! I was just dropping it off at an audio install place and the stupid girl wasn't even looking! I need Cullen hugs.... 

[Tishina]

OT but I wanted to vent that SOME IDIOT BACKED INTO MY CAR in a parking lot! I was just dropping it off at an audio install place and the stupid girl wasn't even looking! I need Cullen hugs.... 

Ugh, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm glad you weren't hurt, at least (I hate parking lots for exactly that reason.) I'd post you a screenshot, but most of my favorites, you took...

[Hellion Rex]

OT but I wanted to vent that SOME IDIOT BACKED INTO MY CAR in a parking lot! I was just dropping it off at an audio install place and the stupid girl wasn't even looking! I need Cullen hugs.... 

Yikes, that sucks. Are you ok?

[Hellion Rex]

And some men just want to watch the world burn...

 

Patrick Weekes ‏@PatrickWeekes

I apologize in advance for what I'm going to do to your headcanons. To be fair, it's mostly @Sylvf1's fault.

[Owlfruit Potion]

And some men just want to watch the world burn...

I'm just pleased whatever DLC they're working on is about something important enough that we're presumed to have a headcanon about it!

Modifié par Owlfruit Potion, 21 avril 2015 - 09:32 .

[Tishina]

And some men just want to watch the world burn...

I'm...not sure I'm prepared for the possibilities, but he's blaming it on Josephine's writer...

 

Edit: though it does imply  they're returning to some of the story itself and not just releasing an additional area with a side story.

[riverbanks]

And some men just want to watch the world burn...

 

Patrick Weekes ‏@PatrickWeekes

I apologize in advance for what I'm going to do to your headcanons. To be fair, it's mostly @Sylvf1's fault.

 

The question is, whose headcanons. If it's just Solas stuff, it only affects a number of players. If it's HoF or Hawke stuff, again it only affects players who still have them. Now, if it's something that deeply affects the Inquisitor for all players, regardless of paths taken... well, good! This story was a bit too cheesecake godmode for the Inquisitor anyway, they're way overdue a nice kick in the teeth.

[Tishina]

The question is, whose headcanons. If it's just Solas stuff, it only affects a number of players. If it's HoF or Hawke stuff, again it only affects players who still have them. Now, if it's something that deeply affects the Inquisitor for all players, regardless of paths taken... well, good! This story was a bit too cheesecake godmode for the Inquisitor anyway, they're way overdue a nice kick in the teeth.

It wasn't exactly cheesecake godmode for a lot players (mostly for Cullenmancers and a couple of others, lol)

[Hellion Rex]

The question is, whose headcanons. If it's just Solas stuff, it only affects a number of players. If it's HoF or Hawke stuff, again it only affects players who still have them. Now, if it's something that deeply affects the Inquisitor for all players, regardless of paths taken... well, good! This story was a bit too cheesecake godmode for the Inquisitor anyway, they're way overdue a nice kick in the teeth.

Yasssssssss. I want to BLEED FOR THIS STORY.

[MelissaGT]

Ugh, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm glad you weren't hurt, at least (I hate parking lots for exactly that reason.) I'd post you a screenshot, but most of my favorites, you took...

 

 

Yikes, that sucks. Are you ok?

 

Thanks guys - yeah I'm ok. Nobody hurt. She wasn't going fast; it was just fast enough to leave a good 6" dent in the center of the door, but didn't do anything to her car (2011 Dodge Avenger vs my 2006 Mustang). It was one of those cases where I was pulling into the spot next to her and she wasn't even looking (and must have had music on very loud because I saw it coming and laid on the horn for a few solid seconds). Working for an insurance company, I know that parking lot accidents are very sticky wickets when it comes to assigning fault. The police officer worded the report in my favor, so I hope that counts for something. 

 

My b/f did say that I almost made the poor girl cry though... 

 

I apologized for freaking out afterwards and all was ok - that's my baby and I'm very overprotective. 

 

And some men just want to watch the world burn...

 

I'll be ok with anything that comes! The only thing I hope is that they don't kill off our IQ (or Cullen!). 

[riverbanks]

It wasn't exactly cheesecake godmode for a lot players (mostly for Cullenmancers and a couple of others, lol)

 

Yeah, I mean non-romance drama. Romance drama only affects a small number of players in the large scheme of things, character deconstruction affects everyone.

 

Like, even if you romanced no one in DAO and DA2, your hero's life was still a crumbling mess from day one, and it went downhill from there. The Warden always came from some manner of personal tragedy, and had all these emotional encounters throughout the story that twisted the knife just when the wound was starting to heal. Hawke's life... it would be comic how everything goes so utterly wrong for Hawke 100% of the time, if it wasn't so heartbreaking. And then when you think Hawke is finally going to catch a break, it gets even worse. The Inquisitor, on the other hand, just coasts through, saves the day, suffers little to no personal loss, and literally rides off into the sunset at the end of the day with not a care in the world. The worst personal drama I can think of is the Lavellan clan thing, which is indeed awful but is also brushed aside and forgotten about in two seconds, and it can be avoided altogether once you learn the trick. You can't avoid losing Tamlen and having him come back to break your Mahariel's heart, for instance.

 

I mean, my Inquisitors may have ~problematic love interests and rocky relationships (even with Cullen) and all manner of drama on the romance level, but I don't feel any of them suffered any significant "oomph" from the story on a personal level. Not in the same way that I can recall crying like a baby when my Cousland confronted Howe, or my Brosca confronted Leske, or how my Tabris was too late to protect Shianni, or that time Carver almost died on me on the Deep Roads, or that time my Hawke was so busy saving everyone else that she couldn't save her own mother... that's the kind of emotional impact and personal growth I feel the Inquisitor is sorely missing. I wouldn't mind my IQs being put through the grinder a bit, not for tragedy for tragedy's sake, but just to get more depth into the character than the linear #winning story they ended up with.