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[Tishina]

But could Corypheus really have fooled Solas, an elven god? Solas may have been weak yes, but why would he give his orb to Cory, unless he knew of what the guy was capable of?

 

I can't speak to Tamlen, cause I have never done a Dalish Warden, though it is peculiar. However, do note that Tamlen was a ghoul, not a darkspawn. All ghouls can retain a semblance of humanity for a time before they are lost.

We still don't know a great deal about what the elven gods were, but it's fairly clear that they weren't omnipotent or omniscient or anything close. I'm not saying Solas might not have known; I'm saying we don't know enough to make a judgment yet. Have you taken Solas with you during In Hushed Whispers? He's effected by the red lyrium in exactly the ways that Cass, Blackwall, Sera, and Varric are, which suggests he at least didn't start out as a "god." And he dies at the hands of the demons just like the others.

 

Oh, I know he was a ghoul, but he was tainted. I view ghouls as another form of darkspawn since they're tainted and can transmit the taint. Hespith still retained her mind years afterwards. Even Ruck's mind wasn't completely gone, and he'd been tainted for at least five years (and I'm not sure in his case that guilt eating at his mind didn't do a lot of the damage.)

[R2s Muse]

We still don't know a great deal about what the elven gods were, but it's fairly clear that they weren't omnipotent or omniscient or anything close. I'm not saying Solas might not have known; I'm saying we don't know enough to make a judgment yet. Have you taken Solas with you during In Hushed Whispers? He's effected by the red lyrium in exactly the ways that Cass, Blackwall, Sera, and Varric are, which suggests he at least didn't start out as a "god." And he dies at the hands of the demons just like the others.

 

Oh, I know he was a ghoul, but he was tainted. I view ghouls as another form of darkspawn since they're tainted and can transmit the taint. Hespith still retained her mind years afterwards. Even Ruck's mind wasn't completely gone, and he'd been tainted for at least five years (and I'm not sure in his case that guilt eating at his mind didn't do a lot of the damage.)

I agree that we still don't have the whole picture with the Blight. You might get a kick out of reading the Calling if you haven't already, which shows you first hand what it feels like to become Blighted. It was rather disturbing, IMO. And, I feel like the story of the Architect was hinting exactly at that point: that they're not just mindless beings. But what their ultimate purpose is....? I read a cool meta recently that suggested that the Blight was brought back from the Void by Andruil and that perhaps red lyrium was a weapon in the first war within the Eleven Pantheon. It will be cool to see if there's actually any connection between the ancient elves, lyrium, and the Blight. 

[Char]

I've been semi here/ not here for a bit recently so NO!
Anyone got a linky for this?

There's a thread with some snippets in the spoilers forum, but the interviews will be posted on youtube any day now

[R2s Muse]

There's a thread with some snippets in the spoilers forum, but the interviews will be posted on youtube any day now

Ah, finally got a chance to go through those. Thanks! Wow... sounds like there's SOOOOO much DA2 goodness!!  I may weep at the cut content, which is roughly of the same amount as for DA:I. Wow. 

[kitcat1228]

Corypheus doesn't recognize Solus if you take him to the final battle, so however Cory got the orb it wasn't directly from Solus. He seems to feel guilty about so maybe he arranged Cory to find it or something, expecting Cory to die when he unlocked it. The breach was an accident because Quizzy interrupted the ritual. We don't really know what Cory meant the orb to do (other than get him into the fade). I suppose it's possible that Solid thought he was giving his orb to a very warden since Cory was posing as Larius/Janeka. I feel that we don't really have enough information to fully condemn Solus just yet. Then again, Solus adores all my Quizzies and I've never gotten his asshat content.

[Tishina]

I agree that we still don't have the whole picture with the Blight. You might get a kick out of reading the Calling if you haven't already, which shows you first hand what it feels like to become Blighted. It was rather disturbing, IMO. And, I feel like the story of the Architect was hinting exactly at the point that: that they're not just mindless beings. But what they're ultimate purpose is....? I read a cool meta recently that suggested that the Blight was brought back from the Void by Andruil and that perhaps red lyrium was a weapon in the first war within the Eleven Pantheon. It will be cool to see if there's actually any connection between the ancient elves, lyrium, and the Blight. 

I haven't read it, regrettably, just a summary of the book. Maybe I should...

 

On a separate subject, I got to see Cullen acting all bada** directing soldiers at the beginning of the Arbor Wilds. However, is Celene's dialogue in camp usually glitched? She mentioned Gaspard back in Val Royeaux, and he's dead in this playthrough,

[Hellion Rex]

I read a cool meta recently that suggested that the Blight was brought back from the Void by Andruil and that perhaps red lyrium was a weapon in the first war within the Eleven Pantheon. It will be cool to see if there's actually any connection between the ancient elves, lyrium, and the Blight. 

You know, that's perhaps the most cohesive idea that I've ever seen about the actual origin of the the Taint, and to some extent, it makes a lot of sense. And I have long theorized that the taint was used as a weapon, and perhaps the red lyrium was a vehicle for transporting the stuff.

 

And we also hear speak of "Andruil's light" from the Well of Sorrows. Maybe it was a weapon she devised to counteract the effects of the Blight?

 

"She shook the radiance of the stars, divided them into grains of light, then stored them in a shaft of gold. Andruil, blood and force, save us from the time this weapon is thrown. Your people pray to You. Spare us the moment we become Your sacrifice."

[Hellion Rex]

Corypheus doesn't recognize Solus if you take him to the final battle, so however Cory got the orb it wasn't directly from Solus. He seems to feel guilty about so maybe he arranged Cory to find it or something, expecting Cory to die when he unlocked it. The breach was an accident because Quizzy interrupted the ritual. We don't really know what Cory meant the orb to do (other than get him into the fade). I suppose it's possible that Solid thought he was giving his orb to a very warden since Cory was posing as Larius/Janeka. I feel that we don't really have enough information to fully condemn Solus just yet. Then again, Solus adores all my Quizzies and I've never gotten his asshat content.

It is also possible that Solas is a shapeshifter, since we know Flemeth is, and perhaps changed his appearance when giving the orb.

 

Nonetheless, I do think it is noteworthy that the Nightmare definitely knows something about Solas, given his taunting of him in the Fade. And the Nightmare was in cahoots with Cory, so perhaps they both knew? Or perhaps the Nightmare, being an ancient demon, was able to see through Solas's deception. For some reason, I don't see the Nightmare sharing that bit of info with Corypheus if it were to know the truth and Cory didn't.

[kitcat1228]

Yeah Nightmare is able to see people's innermost fears, and so saw through Solus. I also don't see him sharing info with Cory, they seemed to have an alliance of convenience. Good point about Solus being a shape-shifter.

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah Nightmare is able to see people's innermost fears, and so saw through Solus. I also don't see him sharing info with Cory, they seemed to have an alliance of convenience. Good point about Solus being a shape-shifter.

Exactly. I think the Nightmare is merely in an alliance of convenience with Corypheus, nothing more. And while I do think Solas can shapeshift, it's certainly also possible, as you said, that he indirectly made sure the Orb fell into Corypheus's hands.

[kitcat1228]

To bring this back on topic, I wonder what Cullen's tomestone would say. Demons? That seems more like what he see the fear spiders as. Loss of self? Being mind controlled?

[Hellion Rex]

To bring this back on topic, I wonder what Cullen's tomestone would say. Demons? That seems more like what he see the fear spiders as. Loss of self? Being mind controlled?

Huh.....given how he's been dealt a crisis of faith.

 

 

What scares those who are lost more than The Mirror?

[R2s Muse]

It is also possible that Solas is a shapeshifter, since we know Flemeth is, and perhaps changed his appearance when giving the orb.

 

Nonetheless, I do think it is noteworthy that the Nightmare definitely knows something about Solas, given his taunting of him in the Fade. And the Nightmare was in cahoots with Cory, so perhaps they both knew? Or perhaps the Nightmare, being an ancient demon, was able to see through Solas's deception. For some reason, I don't see the Nightmare sharing that bit of info with Corypheus if it were to know the truth and Cory didn't.

Yeah, to me the Nightmare just seemed to see things as they actually were. I doubt it was given detailed dossiers on every companion. I would actually expect that to be a necessary ability for someone who feeds off nightmares, that they'd need to see into your innermost fears in order to consume them. I guess if Solas's worst fear is dying alone, then his quest to restore his people and success/sacrifices/deceptions therein would be fair game for nightmares.

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah, to me the Nightmare just seemed to see things as they actually were. I doubt it was given detailed dossiers on every companion. I would actually expect that to be a necessary ability for someone who feeds off nightmares, that they'd need to see into your innermost fears in order to consume them. I guess if Solas's worst fear is dying alone, then his quest to restore his people and success/sacrifices/deceptions therein would be fair game for nightmares.

And for some reason, his taunts to Solas suggest to me that Nightmare saw damn near everything about Solas through his fears.

[Sifr]

To bring this back on topic, I wonder what Cullen's tomestone would say. Demons? That seems more like what he see the fear spiders as. Loss of self? Being mind controlled?

 

Samson and Meredith.

 

Samson represents who he could have become if he'd made all the wrong choices in life and blamed others for them, whereas Meredith represents who he could have become if after his trauma in the Circle Tower, he'd let his fear and paranoia of mages rule him?

[Lady Artifice]

To bring this back on topic, I wonder what Cullen's tomestone would say. Demons? That seems more like what he see the fear spiders as. Loss of self? Being mind controlled?

 

Good question. 

 

I think Cullen values stability and reason more than anything else, and his greatest fears would be linked to that. Chaos and vulnerability, to the temptation of demons, blood mages, or ultimately lyrium.

 

Hmmm. 

 

Cullen : Temptation

[Tishina]

Where did I ever get the bright idea that saving Solas's breakup for Mother's Day was a good idea (someone got a box of tissue?) And to rub salt in the wound, Cullen still has the option to ask to talk about "us", then tells you you're seeing someone (No! I'm not!)...

 

I didn't actually do it on purpose...

[R2s Muse]

And for some reason, his taunts to Solas suggest to me that Nightmare saw damn near everything about Solas through his fears.

Yes. Altho, heh, how 'bout this? What if... Solas knew this demon? He is a regular in the Fade, and if the elven gods were somehow denizens of the Fade before the Veil... maybe they knew each other? That would be kind of a cool story. 

[Hellion Rex]

Yes. Altho, heh, how 'bout this? What if... Solas knew this demon? He is a regular in the Fade, and if the elven gods were somehow denizens of the Fade before the Veil... maybe they knew each other? That would be kind of a cool story. 

I mean, I was hesitant to throw that theory, but it did cross my mind. If the Nightmare is truly as old as the Blight, he could very well have encountered Solas before. Before humans, he could have fed on the fear of the ancient elves who were scared of it.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Guys, you know how Mythal's essence was sent through the eluvian and meant to be taken by Morrigan, right? What if Solas' eyes becoming that smokey blue color is the Old God's soul being transferred into him...    

[R2s Muse]

To bring this back on topic, I wonder what Cullen's tomestone would say. Demons? That seems more like what he see the fear spiders as. Loss of self? Being mind controlled?

To me, it would be failing in his duty. Duty has always been a central motivator for him, keeping him under Meredith's thumb, forcing him to finally question her in support of his duty to the Order's tenets, then ultimately trading duty to the Inquisition for that to the Order. His biggest crisis point during Perseverence is failing his duty to the Inquisition, not so much the personal cost to himself. His argument with Cassandra and later with the bookcase are both about worrying that his leadership will falter, and that he should be either removed from duty to protect the Inquisition from his failure (his worst fear?) or he should start taking lyrium again to bolster his ability to follow through on his duty, respectively.

[R2s Muse]

Guys, you know how Mythal's essence was sent through the eluvian and meant to be taken by Morrigan, right? What if Solas' eyes becoming that smokey blue color is the Old God's soul being transferred into him...    

Could be, although you get the same ending whether the OGB exists or not, so wherever the old god soul went, something else must've gone into Solas as well. 

[Hellion Rex]

Guys, you know how Mythal's essence was sent through the eluvian and meant to be taken by Morrigan, right? What if Solas' eyes becoming that smokey blue color is the Old God's soul being transferred into him...    

It's the same light that Flemeth's eyes glowed when you meet her in the Fade or at the Altar. If Morrigan or you attempt to attack Flemeth, her eyes glowed just like that.

 

For Solas, I think it's just an indicator that there was a direct transfer of power from him to her.

[TheRaccoon]

Where did I ever get the bright idea that saving Solas's breakup for Mother's Day was a good idea (someone got a box of tissue?) And to rub salt in the wound, Cullen still has the option to ask to talk about "us", then tells you you're seeing someone (No! I'm not!)...

 

I didn't actually do it on purpose...

 

Speaking of the Mother's Day, does anyone know if Cullen's mom (or his parents) are still alive? I saw someone posted in a thread about Mother's Day in the Scuttlebutt section saying that she died during the blight. But I don't quite seem to remember that..

 

To bring this back on topic, I wonder what Cullen's tomestone would say. Demons? That seems more like what he see the fear spiders as. Loss of self? Being mind controlled?

I would like to think his deepest fear is betrayal. He had faced so much betrayals in his life, from the Circle system, the templar order to Meredith etc. He believes in his cause to serve the Inquisition, as he puts he serves out of loyalty but not blind obedience. If he was once again betrayed, this new way of thinking built from his years of experience would shatter..

[Ashaantha]

 

Speaking of the Mother's Day, does anyone know if Cullen's mom (or his parents) are still alive? I saw someone posted in a thread about Mother's Day in the Scuttlebutt section saying that she died during the blight. But I don't quite seem to remember that..

That was me

Spoiler

and I've recently (an hour ago) been told where the info is actually from since I far too easily found it via a simple google search a week or so ago. Apparently according to World of Thedas 2 Cullen's parents died in the blight in Fereldin. I haven't read the book, I got the info from google searches as I said, it's everywhere. Hence why my post in the Mother's day thread said "I think.."