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[MelissaGT]

And I shoot a bow left-handed . I think a lot of left-handers write like that, partly because their hand ends up over the words they just wrote. However, it does make a little more difference with a sword, since the dominant hand and arm is stronger generally and so a blow will carry more strength when delivered that way. But R2's right, they probably just make everyone right-handed to simplify animation.

 

Darnit! Now I'm going to be on the lookout for someone left-handed in the game!

 

I actually just started up shooting again...haven't done it since I was a kid. My mother gave me her ~1972 Bear Tartar Recurve, which happens to be right-handed. However, apparently I am right-eyed...so shooting a right-handed bow works for me, even though I'm left-handed. Talk about confusing. I just need to get my non-dominant arm into shape. I'm teaching myself to shoot completely unsighted with no bells and whistles and doo-dads on the bow...meanwhile all my friends shoot very angry looking compounds. 

[Ariella]

And I shoot a bow left-handed . I think a lot of left-handers write like that, partly because their hand ends up over the words they just wrote. However, it does make a little more difference with a sword, since the dominant hand and arm is stronger generally and so a blow will carry more strength when delivered that way. But R2's right, they probably just make everyone right-handed to simplify animation.

 

Also it's probable that the Templars may have trained it out of him. In a shield wall, having someone who is left handed in line of right handed would be a nightmare as not only are you supposed to be able to perform the strokes in a small space (between the shields) you have to cover the person to the dominant side, so to your right if everyone is trained right handed. You cover the man on your right should he falter just as the man on your left will cover you if something happens and so on.

 

If you want a really good description Cursor's Fury by Jim Butcher does a very good job at describing a classic Roman shield wall. Plus Codex Alera is a pretty darn good series.

[sunhair]

I think the funniest I experienced was when practicing fencing with my brother as he had a tendency to forget I'm ambi and i'm able to fence with both hands so it threw him off and would confuse the heck out of him  but yeah it probably has to do with animations in regards to everyone being right handed in game 

[Rinshikai10]

Hmm, given that he's neither a Templar or a Mage, I'm puzzled as to how his ideas for reform could be about him? He's always believed that mages can't be completely free for their safety and for others'. So he suggests a way that would be less prison like. That doesn't seem to be about him personally. So I must be missing something.

This is just my opinion but after everthing that has happened, Cullen knows that most mages will not go back to the circle willingly. I believe that he doesn't want the mages to see the Templars as jailers, but guardians. I believe that Cullen still has a bit of the ideal view he had when he was a child, and he wants the Order to be seen the same way.

 

The problem is I don't believe the bulk of the order agrees with him. Thats why I see this a more for himself then for the greater good.

 

While I know Cullen left the Templars, does leaving them really mean you are no longer a Templar? 

[MelissaGT]

This is just my opinion but after everthing that has happened, Cullen knows that most mages will not go back to the circle willingly. I believe that he doesn't want the mages to see the Templars as jailers, but guardians. I believe that Cullen still has a bit of the ideal view he had when he was a child, and he wants the Order to be seen the same way.

 

The problem is I don't believe the bulk of the order agrees with him. Thats why I see this a more for himself then for the greater good.

 

While I know Cullen left the Templars, does leaving them really mean you are no longer a Templar? 

 

That therein is one of the problems for both the Templars and the Mages...everybody has different opinions and thinks differently about how Mages and Templars should act and/or be treated. Therefore, there is no universally "fair" process. I think Viv sums it up perfectly when you talk to her. 

[Hellion Rex]

At the end of the day...I really don't think Fiona's college of of enchanters (if she's still alive) will be getting that far off the ground. It sounds like there will be effectively a civil war between those who remain in the Circles and those who wish to join the college.

All that said, I think the Circle system is needed, a safe place where all mages can learn to harness magic, while under careful oversight. It's just that some of the power imbalances must be addressed in the system.

[Hellion Rex]

Further, I don't think there's necessarily gonna be any way to keep the College afloat, at the present time. Where are they going to get lodging, and who would give it to them? Where will they get the funding for books, materials, etc? They have no Tranquil to help enchant things, and that was a major source of income. Where in the world can they even get lyrium, since the trade is still under control of the Chantry? The Inquisition can certainly be a help, but I still think it'll take more than that.

And heaven forbid, what if we have a possession? How in the world are we gonna kill it before it goes too far? And how will the common people react to such an event? It will not end well. We could very well end up with people wanting to hunt down all mages.

[The Elder King]

At the end of the day...I really don't think Fiona's college of of enchanters (if she's still alive) will be getting that far off the ground. It sounds like there will be effectively a civil war between those who remain in the Circles and those who wish to join the college.
All that said, I think the Circle system is needed, a safe place where all mages can learn to harness magic, while under careful oversight. It's just that some of the power imbalances must be addressed in the system.

Agreed. A Circle system is needed, even If with a lot of improvements from the previous one.   

Further, I don't think there's necessarily gonna be any way to keep the College afloat, at the present time. Where are they going to get lodging, and who would give it to them? Where will they get the funding for books, materials, etc? They have no Tranquil to help enchant things, and that was a major source of income. Where in the world can they even get lyrium, since the trade is still under control of the Chantry? The Inquisition can certainly be a help, but I still think it'll take more than that.

Yeah. Though I doubt we'll see ourselves how the situation will proceed, since I think the next game will be set in the North.

[Owlfruit Potion]

In Which the Cullen Thread is Represented as a Burlesque House and a Debate about Whether Large Numbers of People Deserve to Be Imprisoned Regardless of Whether They Have Committed Any Crime is Represented as a Small Yellow Boy

 

(edited to replace alt text because evidently my formatting ate it and EK's quote of it later could therefore be confusing)

[Tishina]

Also it's probable that the Templars may have trained it out of him. In a shield wall, having someone who is left handed in line of right handed would be a nightmare as not only are you supposed to be able to perform the strokes in a small space (between the shields) you have to cover the person to the dominant side, so to your right if everyone is trained right handed. You cover the man on your right should he falter just as the man on your left will cover you if something happens and so on.

 

If you want a really good description Cursor's Fury by Jim Butcher does a very good job at describing a classic Roman shield wall. Plus Codex Alera is a pretty darn good series.

Good point on the shield wall training, but on the other hand, the Templars are not primarily a field force who fight in that sort of large unit (and I believe that the classic Roman shield wall or turtle relied mostly on spearmen, not swordsmen, so really isn't relevant.) Any extensive training would require all warriors to learn to fight with either hand in a pinch, so Templars could adapt on the rare occasion they needed to fight in a shield wall. I believe most sword and shield warriors would normally go into combat using their strongest arm for the sword because the force behind the blow and the control of using your primary arm makes a big difference in penetrating. (BTW, my experience is practical, I was involved with a recreation group for many years.)

 

I actually find it a little aggravating that games like this confuse militarily trained officers and knights which actually have very different training, but oh well.

Darnit! Now I'm going to be on the lookout for someone left-handed in the game!

 

I actually just started up shooting again...haven't done it since I was a kid. My mother gave me her ~1972 Bear Tartar Recurve, which happens to be right-handed. However, apparently I am right-eyed...so shooting a right-handed bow works for me, even though I'm left-handed. Talk about confusing. I just need to get my non-dominant arm into shape. I'm teaching myself to shoot completely unsighted with no bells and whistles and doo-dads on the bow...meanwhile all my friends shoot very angry looking compounds. 

If you spot someone, let me know, now I'm curious too!

 

I haven't shot in probably 20 years, but I used to do target shooting with a light traditional bow. I think it was a 25lb draw because my eyesight's so poor, I didn't need anything that shot further (for the safety of stray geese, etc.)

[The Elder King]

In Which the Cullen Thread is Represented as a Burlesque House and a Debate about Whether Large Numbers of People Deserve to Be Imprisoned Regardless of Whether They Have Committed Any Crime is Represented as a Small Yellow Boy

I don't get the analogy. Shouldn't the debate or the Cullen thread be rapresented by Grandpa Simpson ?

[Owlfruit Potion]

I don't get the analogy. Shouldn't the debate or the Cullen thread be rapresented by Grandpa Simpson ?

Grandpa Simpson is me, noping out of this discussion now and forever.

[Hellion Rex]

This is just my opinion but after everthing that has happened, Cullen knows that most mages will not go back to the circle willingly. I believe that he doesn't want the mages to see the Templars as jailers, but guardians. I believe that Cullen still has a bit of the ideal view he had when he was a child, and he wants the Order to be seen the same way.

The problem is I don't believe the bulk of the order agrees with him. Thats why I see this a more for himself then for the greater good.

While I know Cullen left the Templars, does leaving them really mean you are no longer a Templar?

That's certainly the million dollar question. Does one ever stop being a Templar? Is what makes a Templar the lyrium? Or is it the calling to serve? For what it's worth though, I don't think he is anymore. He willingly gave up that role, and all that it entailed.

[The Elder King]

Grandpa Simpson is me, noping out of this discussion now and forever.

Understood .

[Tishina]

Grandpa Simpson is me, noping out of this discussion now and forever.

You and me both

[Rinshikai10]

@Eluvianus Rex

 

Are those two posts about the Collaged of Enchanters pointed at me? I wasn't looking to start the whole M/T debate here.

[Hellion Rex]

@Eluvianus Rex

Are those two posts about the Collaged of Enchanters pointed at me? I wasn't looking to start the whole M/T debate here.

No, I was just musing, that's all. I just find it interesting to discuss. I tend to go off on tangents sometimes lol.

[Rinshikai10]

No, I was just musing, that's all. I just find it interesting to discuss. I tend to go off on tangents sometimes lol.

Ah I see, I think we all go on tangents when we are passionate about stuff.

[Ariella]

Good point on the shield wall training, but on the other hand, the Templars are not primarily a field force who fight in that sort of large unit (and I believe that the classic Roman shield wall or turtle relied mostly on spearmen, not swordsmen, so really isn't relevant.) Any extensive training would require all warriors to learn to fight with either hand in a pinch, so Templars could adapt on the rare occasion they needed to fight in a shield wall. I believe most sword and shield warriors would normally go into combat using their strongest arm for the sword because the force behind the blow and the control of using your primary arm makes a big difference in penetrating. (BTW, my experience is practical, I was involved with a recreation group for many years.)

 

I actually find it a little aggravating that games like this confuse militarily trained officers and knights which actually have very different training, but oh well.

If you spot someone, let me know, now I'm curious too!

 

 

I mention it because Iron Bull makes the comment about the Inquisition recruits now needing to form a basic shield wall. That and both Barris and the Red Templar defenders have what looks like a classic Roman legionnaire shield. And the turtle was spear based but the wedge used the gladius.

 

Here's a little of what I was able to find under roman military tactics: http://www.ancient.eu/Roman_Warfare/

 

There's more. A lot more, and a lot of them are re creationist sites, so I think you're probably better equipped to evaluate their claims.

[Tishina]

I mention it because Iron Bull makes the comment about the Inquisition recruits now needing to form a basic shield wall. That and both Barris and the Red Templar defenders have what looks like a classic Roman legionnaire shield. And the turtle was spear based but the wedge used the gladius.

 

Here's a little of what I was able to find under roman military tactics: http://www.ancient.eu/Roman_Warfare/

 

There's more. A lot more, and a lot of them are re creationist sites, so I think you're probably better equipped to evaluate their claims.

Ah, thanks! I really don't do the classical period, though I know the Romans relied most heavily on shield walls. If I recall, it lost a lot of its usefulness once you had heavy mounted fighters - a shield doesn't do much against a charging war horse (and once you had siege engines, that sort of formation just made it easier to kill more people at once.) Circumstances vary a lot - horses have a lot of trouble breaking through a reinforced spear line, especially if you're talking the long monsters used in parts of Europe. You'd think the tight geometric formations would have dropped away after cannon and muskets became common on battlefields, but paintings of Napoleonic battles still show those tight, disciplined formations.

 

Oh, I noticed Iron Bull saying that. Honestly, I just wrote it off as a writer throwing in something because it sounded good or just meant that a shield wall was useful to hold a gate or something. At that point, the Inquisition doesn't have all that many soldiers, and a lot of those appear to fall under archers and irregular fighters rather than soldiers in heavy armor with tower shields or something similar. You need numbers for a shield wall to be effective (otherwise the enemy gets behind you or  simply surrounds you.)

[R2s Muse]

This is just my opinion but after everthing that has happened, Cullen knows that most mages will not go back to the circle willingly. I believe that he doesn't want the mages to see the Templars as jailers, but guardians. I believe that Cullen still has a bit of the ideal view he had when he was a child, and he wants the Order to be seen the same way.

 

The problem is I don't believe the bulk of the order agrees with him. Thats why I see this a more for himself then for the greater good.

 

While I know Cullen left the Templars, does leaving them really mean you are no longer a Templar? 

Personally, I don't think he idealizes the Order anymore. I think he used to, circa DA2, but he seems to have lost his rose colored glasses. I like to think that it has to do with the breaking of the Nevarran Accord and changes within the Order itself, but alas, it seems we'll never know what really happened between DA2 and DA:I. Is he still a templar? Technically, no. It is my belief that he'll always be a templar at heart and care about it's basic function in keeping Thedas safe... but DA:I doesn't seem to think so. So... meh.

 

As for what the Order should be moving forward, I think he's seen all the things it can be, good and bad, and realizes that while there continues to be a need for the templars in some form, their form and function need to change. Also, the geopolitical landscape is vastly different than it was. No one knows whether or not there will be Circles or whether there even exists an independent Templar Order after DA:I. But he only gets a couple of sentences to talk about it without any details.

 

As for why this means it's "more for himself than for the greater good," I think we're having a miscommunication, because I don't understand what you mean by this sentence at all. I think he has an opinion about how things can change. Whether or not the templars agree with him seems immaterial, since it's no longer his job to make those changes. 

 

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[Cerulione]

no, I was just assuming he'd use his right hand for his sword if he's right handed.

 

Anyway this is a game and I don't think they'll bother to make any character left-handed. Except if everyone is left handed... It's easier to achieve good cinematics if everyone has the same dominant hand...?

 

And I shoot a bow left-handed . I think a lot of left-handers write like that, partly because their hand ends up over the words they just wrote. However, it does make a little more difference with a sword, since the dominant hand and arm is stronger generally and so a blow will carry more strength when delivered that way. But R2's right, they probably just make everyone right-handed to simplify animation.

 

???

 

Isn't for archery it depends on which eye is dominant and not on dominant hand? I'm right handed alright but they made me shoot a bow left-handed.

[SgtSteel91]

Personally, I don't think he idealizes the Order anymore. I think he used to, circa DA2, but he seems to have lost his rose colored glasses. I like to think that it has to do with the breaking of the Nevarran Accord and changes within the Order itself, but alas, it seems we'll never know what really happened between DA2 and DA:I. Is he still a templar? Technically, no. It is my belief that he'll always be a templar at heart and care about it's basic function in keeping Thedas safe... but DA:I doesn't seem to think so. So... meh.

 

This reminds me of the banter you can get between Ser and Cullen when you walk into Cullen's room. The gist of it is... Ser: The Order has been through a lot. Cullen: The Order has brought this on itself.

[Ariella]

This reminds me of the banter you can get between Ser and Cullen when you walk into Cullen's room. The gist of it is... Ser: The Order has been through a lot. Cullen: The Order has brought this on itself.

Is there a youtube of this? I tend to play mages and rogues so I've never seen this.

[Tishina]

Anyway this is a game and I don't think they'll bother to make any character left-handed. Except if everyone is left handed... It's easier to achieve good cinematics if everyone has the same dominant hand...?

 

 

???

 

Isn't for archery it depends on which eye is dominant and not on dominant hand? I'm right handed alright but they made me shoot a bow left-handed.

Possibly, but I do a number of things with either hand. Writing and sewing are almost the only things I do exclusively right-handed.