Aller au contenu

Photo

The Official Cullen Discussion Thread v.3.0


138845 réponses à ce sujet

#132076
Ashaantha

Ashaantha
  • Members
  • 11 681 messages

The only reference to the rest of the line you quoted was from a deleted fanfic, so if you find it again, please do share!

 

I'm missing one of his lines in this video, lucky I have 12 characters so one had a save at beginning of the Winter palace. Missing line is about a woman fake-tripping and being escorted from the room by a man or something, and Cole saying they didn't need his help. The rest I don't feel like typing out hence the bad quality video, it's the audio people would be after anyway. The line I mentioned earlier is when you first talk to him, he never says it again though the others are randomly repeated.

 


  • R2s Muse et Tishina aiment ceci

#132077
R2s Muse

R2s Muse
  • Members
  • 19 850 messages

I'm missing one of his lines in this video, lucky I have 12 characters so one had a save at beginning of the Winter palace. Missing line is about a woman fake-tripping and being escorted from the room by a man or something, and Cole saying they didn't need his help. The rest I don't feel like typing out hence the bad quality video, it's the audio people would be after anyway. The line I mentioned earlier is when you first talk to him, he never says it again though the others are randomly repeated.

 

Ah, thanks!! I couldn't find a vid of Cole at the ball. Interesting. I'm not sure that one actually applies to Cullen, since they made a point earlier in the game of telling us he's not chaste. But tantalizing. 

 

The line about Cullen being afraid many think is a slight at the Cullenites, so there are lots of ways to interpret it. Some (many? most?) not so cheery. 



#132078
Ashaantha

Ashaantha
  • Members
  • 11 681 messages

Ah, thanks!! I couldn't find a vid of Cole at the ball. Interesting. I'm not sure that one actually applies to Cullen, since they made a point earlier in the game of telling us he's not chaste. But tantalizing. 

 

Where/when in the game is it mentioned? because I never heard it, would be nice to know.


  • R2s Muse aime ceci

#132079
Tarlonniel

Tarlonniel
  • Members
  • 333 messages

He says he didn't make a formal vow of chastity while in the Templars, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's not chaste - people abstain without vows all the time. But as it would've been a purely personal decision, no promises to the Maker involved, it's something he would've been free to set aside for - ahem - Inquisitor-related reasons :D


  • R2s Muse, Owlfruit Potion et Asperath aiment ceci

#132080
R2s Muse

R2s Muse
  • Members
  • 19 850 messages

Where/when in the game is it mentioned? because I never heard it, would be nice to know.

He says he didn't make a formal vow of chastity while in the Templars, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's not chaste - people abstain without vows all the time. But as it would've been a purely personal decision, no promises to the Maker involved, it's something he would've been free to set aside for - ahem - Inquisitor-related reasons :D

Right, what Tarlonniel said, altho chastity isn't required as part of the vows regardless. He says that some folks choose to take that extra step to show their devotion. But he hasn't. Still folks can continue to headcanon what they like (and Brianne has said explicitly that she left his past up to us...).

 

But... for exactly this reason, they wouldn't call him chaste later in the game. 


  • Annarl et Tishina aiment ceci

#132081
Owlfruit Potion

Owlfruit Potion
  • Members
  • 1 095 messages
But it's also just an adjective as opposed to a formal status; "refraining from sexual intercourse that is regarded as contrary to morality or religion; virtuous" sounds Cullenish enough to me, especially in a religion that hasn't been consistently characterized as anti-premarital sex. There are better adjectives if that's all they meant, given the connotations of deliberate, complete abstinence, but if I were Weekes writing Cole I would've gone with a less perfect word in order to get the homophone triple word score or whatever. :) *shrug* I'm not 100% convinced it's about him, but I think there's a decent case.
  • Cerulione aime ceci

#132082
R2s Muse

R2s Muse
  • Members
  • 19 850 messages

But it's also just an adjective as opposed to a formal status; "refraining from sexual intercourse that is regarded as contrary to morality or religion; virtuous" sounds Cullenish enough to me, especially in a religion that hasn't been consistently characterized as anti-premarital sex. There are better adjectives if that's all they meant, given the connotations of deliberate, complete abstinence, but if I were Weekes writing Cole I would've gone with a less perfect word in order to get the homophone triple word score or whatever. :) *shrug* I'm not 100% convinced it's about him, but I think there's a decent case.

:shrug: Yeah, I suppose. I think Cole sounds like he's talking about the assembled ball folks in general at that point and then talks about the companions once you start asking him questions. But then... for all we know it's some obscure movie reference. :P



#132083
Tarlonniel

Tarlonniel
  • Members
  • 333 messages

Right. I forgot for a moment that "chaste" is not the same as "celibate". Cullen may or may not have been celibate before the romance started, but by the end he clearly isn't. He could still very much be chaste, though.


  • Owlfruit Potion et Ashaantha aiment ceci

#132084
Ashaantha

Ashaantha
  • Members
  • 11 681 messages

I'm sure the line from Cole was just something random, never to be explained and therefore open for interpretation.

 

Right. I forgot for a moment that "chaste" is not the same as "celibate". Cullen may or may not have been celibate before the romance started, but by the end he clearly isn't. He could still very much be chaste, though.

 

A lot of people forget they're not the same thing. Chaste also doesn't mean virgin, even if that is a synonym, people can be real sleep arounds and then have a huge change of heart for some reason or another and decide to go a more chaste direction.

 

Going by previous games (all) romances the very first time the PC sleeps with LI is when it's cutscened, which Cullen's happens after he's asked Inquisitor for a permanent relationship. This can still fit a varied chaste description.


  • R2s Muse, neonmoth et Tishina aiment ceci

#132085
Annarl

Annarl
  • Members
  • 1 266 messages

Right, what Tarlonniel said, altho chastity isn't required as part of the vows regardless. He says that some folks choose to take that extra step to show their devotion. But he hasn't. Still folks can continue to headcanon what they like (and Brianne has said explicitly that she left his past up to us...).

 

But... for exactly this reason, they wouldn't call him chaste later in the game. 

 

I am very glad that is the way his writer left it open.  I prefer to think of him as having experience (forgive the word usage) but others may think in another direction.  The way it is written we get to decide which is the best option I think for everyone. 


  • R2s Muse, Asperath, Tishina et 1 autre aiment ceci

#132086
Tishina

Tishina
  • Members
  • 5 301 messages

Right, what Tarlonniel said, altho chastity isn't required as part of the vows regardless. He says that some folks choose to take that extra step to show their devotion. But he hasn't. Still folks can continue to headcanon what they like (and Brianne has said explicitly that she left his past up to us...).

 

But... for exactly this reason, they wouldn't call him chaste later in the game. 

 

I'm sure the line from Cole was just something random, never to be explained and therefore open for interpretation.

 

 

A lot of people forget they're not the same thing. Chaste also doesn't mean virgin, even if that is a synonym, people can be real sleep arounds and then have a huge change of heart for some reason or another and decide to go a more chaste direction.

 

Going by previous games (all) romances the very first time the PC sleeps with LI is when it's cutscened, which Cullen's happens after he's asked Inquisitor for a permanent relationship. This can still fit a varied chaste description.

Thank you, that's a point that's often forgotten. Even celibate doesn't mean virgin. If that comment was meant for Cullen (which it might or might not be, very few things from Cole are easily interpretable without context) it still doesn't say when he decided to be chaste. I admit, I place no religious values connected to either state; my standard is that people should never do anything which makes them uncomfortable or that they don't really want to do.

 

I think they intentionally left the first time (and other things) a lot more open to interpretation this time, actually. That's particularly the case with Solas and Josephine which in either case someone could easily chose to play their IQ as never having sex. Not so much with IB, Dorian, Sera, and Cassandra when it's pretty clear when the first time is. But Cullen and Blackwall, I think, both leave some room for interpretation on when their first time is. The common interpretation is that their first night was when there's a morning after scene that leaves no question. But I think there's plenty of room for someone to headcannon it starting any time between the first kiss and that. I've always felt Cullen was asking if the IQ wanted a long-term committed relationship, not that he was asking if the IQ wanted to start a physical relationship. Those things could go hand in hand, but they don't necessarily, and in fact the Dalish can ask if this is just a fling or is it serious which definitely leaves open an interpretation of more going on than a few kisses on the battlements. His writer made it pretty clear they intentionally left these things vague so people could headcannon it into the relationship they wanted. Those details have no story relevance for him, so why not (clearly what matters to him most is the commitment)? I love the fact that people can chose whether a romance with a couple of the LIs is sexual or non-sexual, and that others can chose the pace of the physical relationship in others, and there's no one right answer. After all, if I have a relationship with K, then somehow roll back time and have a relationship with S, it isn't going to be the same relationship, and all of our IQs are individuals, even if it's the same Cullen.


  • stop_him, MelissaGT, R2s Muse et 3 autres aiment ceci

#132087
Ashaantha

Ashaantha
  • Members
  • 11 681 messages

Yep. The writers for most of the characters (not all aka TIB) wanted some parts of their character's backgrounds as open and vague as possible to allow more fan fiction style thinking, which I think is a really good thing.


  • Tishina aime ceci

#132088
Tarlonniel

Tarlonniel
  • Members
  • 333 messages

Yep. The writers for most of the characters (not all aka TIB) wanted some parts of their character's backgrounds as open and vague as possible to allow more fan fiction style thinking, which I think is a really good thing.

 

I agree, and yet I can't help hoping that BioWare doesn't have any plans to go much further in that direction. There's a point at which it'll cross the line from leaving non-essential details up to headcanon and become writing vaguely characterized NPCs. Hasn't happened yet, IMHO, but I've run into some people who disagree.


  • R2s Muse, neonmoth et Tishina aiment ceci

#132089
Tishina

Tishina
  • Members
  • 5 301 messages

I agree, and yet I can't help hoping that BioWare doesn't have any plans to go much further in that direction. There's a point at which it'll cross the line from leaving non-essential details up to headcanon and become writing vaguely characterized NPCs. Hasn't happened yet, IMHO, but I've run into some people who disagree.

Oh, I wouldn't want them to go much further either; I want characters to have distinct personalities and backgrounds, I just enjoy the fact that they leave vague some things irrelevant to a character's story. For myself, someone's sexual experience is trivial compared to other qualities that I consider far more important to their character such as honesty, loyalty, etc. unless it has formed some essential part of their personality, such as Isabela's abusive forced marriage. It's also relatively important with Zevran, Fenris, and Alistair, but not so much the others from the first two games. I don't actually favor any point on the spectrum of experience myself. I read a fanfic of Cullen's as an asexual romance that I loved, because it was so well-written and sensitive (and even makes sense the way they wrote it.) I wouldn't headcannon it that way myself, but I love that it's possible. I know some people want every detail about a character defined so everyone has to have almost identical romances (why does it matter what someone else is getting out of their own, after all?,) but half the fun of an RPG is helping create the world. :P


  • R2s Muse et Cerulione aiment ceci

#132090
Sherrid

Sherrid
  • Members
  • 6 messages

I agree about them having distintinqued personalities. But wish there was more options to comment for the Inquisitor. Like when the Harding says she saw Liliana looking at her and now she thinks she is going to have her killed... Why can't I reassure Harding and tease Liliana about her rep. Or when the poor Librarian thinks she is going to have him flogged because a book was out of place? lol

 

But most of all when Solas is talking through Cole in that last scene of his and I had romanced him (I didn't look up what happened so the ending kinda pissed me off.. my girl didnt even get any nooky befor he took off the B@#^*$#! LOL).

 

But when he starts talking through Cole I wanted the option to lay into him and call him a coward! ..... "You may be able to just walk off and disappappear without a word, but by every Elven Elder God you locked away your going to listen to me NOW!  All that "I'm being noble" and "I just want you to know it was real, BUT..." is a load of crap. Who do you think you are kidding? I had figured out you were the Dread Wolf and it didn't change the way I felt ... etc...

 

Um, to say the least... The Solas romance was EXTREMElY Frustrating

 

And over all I like the variety of personalities.



#132091
R2s Muse

R2s Muse
  • Members
  • 19 850 messages

I agree, and yet I can't help hoping that BioWare doesn't have any plans to go much further in that direction. There's a point at which it'll cross the line from leaving non-essential details up to headcanon and become writing vaguely characterized NPCs. Hasn't happened yet, IMHO, but I've run into some people who disagree.

*cough*no details on years between da2 and da:i*cough*cough* :D


  • Tishina aime ceci

#132092
R2s Muse

R2s Muse
  • Members
  • 19 850 messages

So for folks on Tumblr, there will be an upcoming Cullen Positivity Week on Jun 28- July 4. Details are below, with themed days. Consider participating!! If not, follow the tag #cullen positivity week.

 

http://cullenspantie...-28-to-sat-july


  • Annarl, Ananka, neonmoth et 3 autres aiment ceci

#132093
R2s Muse

R2s Muse
  • Members
  • 19 850 messages

And, the final version of Greendelle's latest Cullen masterpiece. 

 

tumblr_npla5oYgDB1ryi4amo1_540.png 

 

http://greendelle.tu...-magic-city-con

 

And a post with her steps HERE.


  • Ariella, duckley, Liadan et 12 autres aiment ceci

#132094
Hellion Rex

Hellion Rex
  • Members
  • 30 037 messages

And, the final version of Greendelle's latest Cullen masterpiece.

tumblr_npla5oYgDB1ryi4amo1_540.png

http://greendelle.tu...-magic-city-con

And a post with her steps HERE.

Yum. The things I want him to do with that feather...

#132095
PrimaD

PrimaD
  • Members
  • 92 messages

So for folks on Tumblr, there will be an upcoming Cullen Positivity Week on Jun 28- July 4. Details are below, with themed days. Consider participating!! If not, follow the tag #cullen positivity week.

 

http://cullenspantie...-28-to-sat-july

 

I'm so looking forward to rare pairings and Cullen by himself days, you have no idea.


  • Tishina aime ceci

#132096
Char

Char
  • Members
  • 2 037 messages
I'm currently mid-writing Cullen meeting the Cousland HoF, but I keep getting sidetracked. I wanted to focus on the bad memories, shame and progression of character without the mitigating factors of romance. But then I think about who else is at Skyhold and keep digressing onto the mixture of tentative pride with which Morrigan would introduce her son to the woman she called a sister and then abandoned; and the reactions that would be had to a Leliana who could let down her guard in the presence of her best friend.

*sigh* It'll probably never get untangled or finished.
  • R2s Muse et Lady Artifice aiment ceci

#132097
R2s Muse

R2s Muse
  • Members
  • 19 850 messages

Hmmm, and siriusdraw's Dragon Age Characters in Skirts series continues. 

 

tumblr_npm414RTZH1r0y0myo1_540.png

 

http://siriusdraws.t...-saga-continues


  • stop_him, MelissaGT, Liadan et 6 autres aiment ceci

#132098
Char

Char
  • Members
  • 2 037 messages

Hmmm, and siriusdraw's Dragon Age Characters in Skirts series continues. 
 
tumblr_npm414RTZH1r0y0myo1_540.png
 
http://siriusdraws.t...-saga-continues


Well hello there gladiator! :blush:

Now I'm wondering what DA would be like if it was set during a more Roman period than medieval... Though I expect Tevinter probably embodies that, it seems to be a cross between Rome and London :/
  • alschemid et Cerulione aiment ceci

#132099
MelissaGT

MelissaGT
  • Members
  • 3 408 messages

I know you guys hate the lion helmet and the whole lion thing in general...and I get it (and agree), but it still looks sexay...  :whistle:


  • R2s Muse, DaiyoukaiGeisha et Tishina aiment ceci

#132100
Dishycrazychick

Dishycrazychick
  • Members
  • 57 messages
Hi all!

Just saw this and thought it might be of interest! :-)

http://www.gamespot....-/1100-6427746/
  • Tishina aime ceci