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Cameron Lee ‏@Cameron__Lee 24 minutes ago
I can hear Leliana doing new voice recordings from my office... #bestjobever #DragonAge
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I know we were pretty much assuming advisors wouldn't be left out of the next story DLC like they were Hakkon, but good to see at least one of them confirmed...


EDIT: Also, from the Twitter thread:

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If you hit something that seems story heavy in trailers, then probably. Keep an eye out.

I'm not quite sure how to parse that, but I'm hoping it means we'll get a trailer decently in advance of whatever's next (instead of a "Beyonce" as alwayshungry called the Avvar stuff)? I love having something to look forward to.
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There has been some substantial drama around the Cullen week, largely rooted in the perception that he does not "deserve" a week and that this was somehow in "retaliation" to Anders' week. I suppose the first opinion is subjective, but the second one is absolutely untrue. I think it's finally started to quiet, and as one of the creators, I'd prefer it'd stay that way.

 

But reading the announcement for the Sera Positivity Week, I do believe it was intended to "compete" with Cullen's week. Merrill's doesn't say anything specific, but I get the impression that might be the case, too.

 

Solas' was inspired by Cullen's, I think (the formatting is very similar to what I used), but not intended to overshadow, and Vivienne's Month was planned by a friend; there was definitely no foul play there. Samson's Weekend pre-dated the Cullen one, and actually has a really great fundraiser attached to it.

 

I could do without the shade, but I really am all for fans organizing events to spur on creativity and (hopefully) positivity amongst the fandoms. And if these events help draw away any backlash we'd receive during the week, I'm totally okay with that.

 

(Also, hello! I've been a Cullen fan for a few years, but largely spent most of my time at Tumblr. I think this might be my first post in this thread.)

Well, I'm really new to Tumblr (as in signed up finally yesterday) and I'm still making sense of hash tags, etc. much less how some of the communities work. I just thought it was weird that they were having "weeks" that overlapped since that means it'll be harder for people to participate in multiple weeks or to follow the art and stories for those weeks. Of course, I never got the "Star Wars vs. Star Trek" wars back in the day; I loved both, but for very different reasons.

 

*sigh*. Yeah. This has all happened before, and it will all happen again. No matter how many there are, Cullen fans will be the red headed step children.

Anyway, Cullen x Hawke 5ever!!! :wub: My everlasting OTP. I think I may have a new chapter done in time for DA2 day. And maybe my first DAO -inspired story, although in a modern AU. Not a lot of time for new stuff, tho. :/

Like I said, I've never understood the urge to hate on someone else's obsessions or passions (if we all liked the same things, there'd be no art.) I first started lurking in the Cullen thread because I was fascinated by the character arc over the games, but while I personally had reservations about Cullen's future role in DAI, I enjoyed hearing other people talk about their love of the character and hearing their reasons. Even though DAI converted me to an extent, I still feel like a bit of an outlier in the thread sometimes (I mean, am I really a Cullenite since he's not that near the top of my list of favorite romances even if he's one of my favorite characters...?) But no one's ever thrown rotten tomatoes at me for not necessarily agreeing that he's the perfect love interest, etc. At the same time, I keep finding myself writing Cullen fanfic because I see the stories there in the different ways DAI plays out in relation to the other games. I love seeing the art, screenshots, and fanfics even when it goes directions I personally don't think fits.


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I wasn't too impressed with item pack,but the dragon age fan in me reasoned that I have to have all dlc even if i'm not impressed with it,but yeah I haven't even started JOH yet as I decided to start new playthrough  I'm still hoping that we get more interactions in the next story dlc,but I'm still hoping for a more Skyhold upgrades in the dlcs to fix the roofs and stuff 

 

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Cameron Lee ‏@Cameron__Lee 24 minutes ago
I can hear Leliana doing new voice recordings from my office... #bestjobever #DragonAge
 
 
I know we were pretty much assuming advisors wouldn't be left out of the next story DLC like they were Hakkon, but good to see at least one of them confirmed...


EDIT: Also, from the Twitter thread:

I'm not quite sure how to parse that, but I'm hoping it means we'll get a trailer decently in advance of whatever's next (instead of a "Beyonce" as alwayshungry called the Avvar stuff)? I love having something to look forward to.

Yay for advisor content!! But, yeah, I totally don't understand Mike's comment either.  "hit something"? I wonder if it's even a typo...?  But then, TBH, I don't understand alwayshungry's Beyonce comment either. :blink:  :blink:  #oldladyhere #getoffmylawn #unlessyouresolasinavvargear #thenyoucanstay


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I wasn't too impressed with item pack,but the dragon age fan in me reasoned that I have to have all dlc even if i'm not impressed with it,but yeah I haven't even started JOH yet as I decided to start new playthrough  I'm still hoping that we get more interactions in the next story dlc,but I'm still hoping for a more Skyhold upgrades in the dlcs to fix the roofs and stuff 

 

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*snicker* This reminds of something I noticed yesterday. I needed a pick me up and so was listening to Pharell's Happy. The chorus goes:

 

Because I'm happy
Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof
Because I'm happy
Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth
Because I'm happy
Clap along if you know what happiness is to you
Because I'm happy
Clap along if you feel like that's what you wanna do
 
Now all I can think of is Cullen's room as a metaphor for happiness. :D (:cue bow chicka bow bow music in the distance:)

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 I still feel like a bit of an outlier in the thread sometimes (I mean, am I really a Cullenite since he's not that near the top of my list of favorite romances even if he's one of my favorite characters...?)

 You are a valid fan(Cullenite). No matter how much or how little, if you appreciate his character, then that's all that matters. I've seen this a lot lately & it makes me sad that people are made to feel that their enjoyment of a character isn't warranted because, "well, we love him more." I left school 6 years ago, I'd hoped to leave that kind of behaviour there with it . Sorry for going off on a tangent, but this is just too close to bullying for my tastes -_-

 

 

Now all I can think of is Cullen's room as a metaphor for happiness. :D (:cue bow chicka bow bow music in the distance:)

Hasn't it always been? :P


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There has been some substantial drama around the Cullen week, largely rooted in the perception that he does not "deserve" a week and that this was somehow in "retaliation" to Anders' week. I suppose the first opinion is subjective, but the second one is absolutely untrue. I think it's finally started to quiet, and as one of the creators, I'd prefer it'd stay that way.

 

But reading the announcement for the Sera Positivity Week, I do believe it was intended to "compete" with Cullen's week. Merrill's doesn't say anything specific, but I get the impression that might be the case, too.

 

Solas' was inspired by Cullen's, I think (the formatting is very similar to what I used), but not intended to overshadow, and Vivienne's Month was planned by a friend; there was definitely no foul play there. Samson's Weekend pre-dated the Cullen one, and actually has a really great fundraiser attached to it.

 

I could do without the shade, but I really am all for fans organizing events to spur on creativity and (hopefully) positivity amongst the fandoms. And if these events help draw away any backlash we'd receive during the week, I'm totally okay with that.

 

(Also, hello! I've been a Cullen fan for a few years, but largely spent most of my time at Tumblr. I think this might be my first post in this thread.)

 

Thanks for organizing that week!

 

From what I get, the date for Sera one is already changed so not to overlap. On the original post it's already stated if another character's week is overlapping the date would be changed, the post dated before the Positivityweek blog IIRC.

 

TBH it's still rather daunting to have ALL on July & August. Cole's one is on august. Not enough time seriously... The worse thing is that if there's overlapping ones, many people would sacrifice one to do the other due to time reason and that'll rather kill the whole thing :(

 

I mean come on, I love Cullen but I'd also love to participate in another character's appreciation week. Not because I love Cullen that I must hate other characters... Guess that this is true for MANY people...

 

I agree. It's puzzling on Meredith's part, except for the fact that she wanted someone she viewed as having the same principles regarding mages and thought it would make sense to have someone with more experience in the trenches than the average templar. Personally, I like what it adds to his backstory, that he'd have this extra layer of issues in being young and Fereldan and promoted over others who may have been more deserving. It ratchets up the angst but makes his position in Kirkwall even more interesting as a foil to Meredith. 

 

Aaaand, one of the reasons Sheryl has stated for making it Cullen in the pink bubble of woe in DA:O was that people like to see folks from their past. So I think Cullen continued to have that going for him. 

 

That's a good argument, that he had probably seen much more than many Kirkwall templar. Still what makes me cringe is that in Kirkwall blood magic is literally everywhere... That gives handicap to Cullen which is a good way for the character development especially if it's indicated that it all went badly after Meredith's gone.

 

TBH I'd love to read any short stories or whatever it is by the dev on Meredith's choice. Why? What's her reasoning?

 

Ha, right? Especially since the whole idea was spurred on by someone trash-talking in one of the main Cullen tags. Oh, well.

 

Anyway, in spite of the backlash, I am excited to see that we've had a lot of support! (I'm especially excited about seeing more DA2 Cullen/Cullen x Hawke, my true OTP. ♥)

 

And I'm looking forward the Skyrim/Dragonborn crossover art from Cerulione! (IIRC--Sorry if I got the wrong name). Kind of surprisingly, I haven't seen much Cullen/Skyrim crossover ideas.

 

Thanks, now I'm afraid that my skill would disappoint all of you :lol:

 

About Skyrim!Cullen... Well TBH skyrim's armour is much more amazing complicated to draw. It's much more detailed with more ornaments (carvings). DAs armour are more or less simpler with much less ornaments... That's probably one obstacle.

 

Even though Dovahkiin!Cullen is an interesting idea... But I'm not sure it'll work well. The main quest of Skyrim is basically you breaking half of the rules (after meeting Delphine & rebuilding the Blades). Cullen is very good at following rules. I can hardly imagine him doing half of the quest in main quest to infiltrate the Thalmor thing & go to thief guild etc. Although probably he might do it due to his sense of duty. Cullen's also like to work in an organized structure from what I see. Skyrim's dragonborn is rather... solitary despite possibly being part of many factions, you do more or less things alone due to the backstabbing things in ALL factions.

 

I wasn't too impressed with item pack,but the dragon age fan in me reasoned that I have to have all dlc even if i'm not impressed with it,but yeah I haven't even started JOH yet as I decided to start new playthrough  I'm still hoping that we get more interactions in the next story dlc,but I'm still hoping for a more Skyhold upgrades in the dlcs to fix the roofs and stuff 

 

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I vote against roof!

 

 

*snicker* This reminds of something I noticed yesterday. I needed a pick me up and so was listening to Pharell's Happy. The chorus goes:

 

Because I'm happy
Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof
Because I'm happy
Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth
Because I'm happy
Clap along if you know what happiness is to you
Because I'm happy
Clap along if you feel like that's what you wanna do
 
Now all I can think of is Cullen's room as a metaphor for happiness. :D (:cue bow chicka bow bow music in the distance:)

 

 

:wub:

 

 You are a valid fan(Cullenite). No matter how much or how little, if you appreciate his character, then that's all that matters. I've seen this a lot lately & it makes me sad that people are made to feel that their enjoyment of a character isn't enough warranted because, "well, we love him more." I left school 6 years ago, I'd hoped to leave that kind of behaviour there with it . Sorry for going off on a tangent, but this is just too close to bullying for me tastes -_-

 

Well said! :D


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Alright so there's another new pairing that I had never seen before... Cullen x Krem.

 

http://missivesfromg...e-casually-puts

 

Put under spoiler so that you won't have to see it if you're against it.

 

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Yay for advisor content!! But, yeah, I totally don't understand Mike's comment either.  "hit something"? I wonder if it's even a typo...?  But then, TBH, I don't understand alwayshungry's Beyonce comment either. :blink:  :blink:  #oldladyhere #getoffmylawn #unlessyouresolasinavvargear #thenyoucanstay

 

Adviser content good.... There was one thing in Jaws of Hakkon I really wish we'd had the adviser voice artists for:

 

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Would have been wonderful to have something along the lines of what unofficially happened with the emails from Ash/Kaiden in ME2 after you see them on Horizon.


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Yay for advisor content!! But, yeah, I totally don't understand Mike's comment either.  "hit something"? I wonder if it's even a typo...?  But then, TBH, I don't understand alwayshungry's Beyonce comment either. :blink:  :blink:  #oldladyhere #getoffmylawn #unlessyouresolasinavvargear #thenyoucanstay

:D The Beyonce analogy refers to when Beyonce dropped an album without any warning, just like bioware dropped the Hakkon dlc.


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:D The Beyonce analogy refers to when Beyonce dropped an album without any warning, just like bioware dropped the Hakkon dlc.

 

... and that Secret Ending involving Solas & Flemeth.

 

...They do know how to drop surprises eh?


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... and that Secret Ending involving Solas & Flemeth.

 

...They do know how to drop surprises eh?

That they do. Although, for me, that one was less of a surprise and more of a "why are the credits rolling, things are starting to pick up!" kind of moment. :P


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That they do. Although, for me, that one was less of a surprise and more of a "why are the credits rolling, things are starting to pick up!" kind of moment. :P

 

Now that & the way they announced JoH made me wonder whether they'll announce something like "OK guys in an hour we're going to release this massive expansion involving anything storywise that'll answer all your questions because the DA4 will be set 50 years from now to purge from dependency of diverging world states according of how you play your game in previous prequels. And that'll cost you 50 bucks".

 

Like what Bethesda did with Skyrim... Putting 200 years in between to change setting & clear the dependency of the whole Septim Emperor line story.

 

Anyway I'm HIGHLY interesting in seeing what the last years of Dragon Age would bring... We're currently in around 9:40 dragons, it's still 60 years before the literal end of "Dragon Age"... Lots of things can happen. I'm betting for

 

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And also the revelations of the identity of Black City & total transformation of the Chantry... & some more detail of Lyriums. Before they dropped of the franchise entirely... But well, we do have Final Fantasy 14 right XD

 

Would you still playing the franchise if DA turned out to go up to 10 games or something like that? IIRC DA4 is more or less confirmed right?



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I doubt they're going to do that. As I understand it, they have the general arc of the series mapped. Details are subject to change of course, but I don't expect a fifty year purge.

And, yuph, I'll keep playing til I can't.

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Anyway I'm HIGHLY interesting in seeing what the last years of Dragon Age would bring... We're currently in around 9:40 dragons, it's still 60 years before the literal end of "Dragon Age"... Lots of things can happen. I'm betting for

 

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 Now that would be awesome. To usher in a new age, maybe have to fight against some cult(a side antagonist) who insist it signals the end of the world. Perhaps because a blight has begun, or has been going on for some time.

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 You are a valid fan(Cullenite). No matter how much or how little, if you appreciate his character, then that's all that matters. I've seen this a lot lately & it makes me sad that people are made to feel that their enjoyment of a character isn't warranted because, "well, we love him more." I left school 6 years ago, I'd hoped to leave that kind of behaviour there with it . Sorry for going off on a tangent, but this is just too close to bullying for my tastes -_-

Nah, no one in here has ever said anything negative about my more reserved appreciation for Cullen (even when I'm in a bad mood and rant a little about how dwarves are treated in DA, particularly with the romances.) I was more trying to define the term, I suppose, and I suspect most of the time my reservations aren't at all obvious anyway. I think I'm more conscious of my own contradictions than other people are (kind of like how I'm not a big fan of DA2, but I laugh at myself when I rush through other things so I can go read R2s latest chapter of her Hawke-Cullen stories, because I enjoy how she writes the characters and stories.)

 

And a lot of people never let go of the high school culture of bullying and gossip; you just (sometimes) have more resources to escape it in the work world.


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 Now that would be awesome. To usher in a new age, maybe have to fight against some cult who insist it signals the end of the world. Perhaps because a blight has begun, or has been going on for some time.

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I'm betting on it! Good vibe already from the first time I read that book.

 

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I agree. It's puzzling on Meredith's part, except for the fact that she wanted someone she viewed as having the same principles regarding mages and thought it would make sense to have someone with more experience in the trenches than the average templar. Personally, I like what it adds to his backstory, that he'd have this extra layer of issues in being young and Fereldan and promoted over others who may have been more deserving. It ratchets up the angst but makes his position in Kirkwall even more interesting as a foil to Meredith. 
 
Aaaand, one of the reasons Sheryl has stated for making it Cullen in the pink bubble of woe in DA:O was that people like to see folks from their past. So I think Cullen continued to have that going for him.

Another reason for the promotion might be his experience in an Annulment. He proved to be pretty resistant to demons.
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Nah, no one in here has ever said anything negative about my more reserved appreciation for Cullen (even when I'm in a bad mood and rant a little about how dwarves are treated in DA, particularly with the romances.) I was more trying to define the term, I suppose, and I suspect most of the time my reservations aren't at all obvious anyway. I think I'm more conscious of my own contradictions than other people are (kind of like how I'm not a big fan of DA2, but I laugh at myself when I rush through other things so I can go read R2s latest chapter of her Hawke-Cullen stories, because I enjoy how she writes the characters and stories.)

 

And a lot of people never let go of the high school culture of bullying and gossip; you just (sometimes) have more resources to escape it in the work world.

I didn't think anyone on here would have said anything negative, my mind went straight to the folk on tumblr :P And I'm curious, who did you romance with your dwarf? Or did you choose a different race? If you don't mind me asking.



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I didn't think anyone on here would have said anything negative, my mind went straight to the folk on tumblr :P And I'm curious, who did you romance with your dwarf? Or did you choose a different race? If you don't mind me asking.

I haven't been on Tumblr long enough to encounter it yet, thank goodness.

 

Dwarves and romances have been complicated in DAI, at least for me. I won't play an IB romance, even though I like his character, for complicated reasons. Blackwall's starts out very much like I'd like to see a mature romance, very charming and confident flirts, but the devs defaulted to altering heights in the romantic cutscenes because someone's apparently obsessed those scenes walking backwards while kissing, and the height alteration is a major mood killer for me. Serious lying  is probably the major deal breaker in a romance for me, so although I have a romance in progress between him and a Cadash, my enthusiasm waned a lot once I got past the initial flirts. Sera's adorable, but way too young in behavior for me. I could ignore that, but most of her first comments to a dwarf IQ is about how short she is, and I just can't RP a dwarf being attracted to someone who doesn't realize that's insulting. Josephine is sweet, but she also obviously is not going to cope well with the Carta background, and I don't see a noble/casteless-commoner relationship working for long in her case. Mostly, she just doesn't suit my tastes rather than a specific issue, though: sweet doesn't suit me very well (I preferred Morrigan to Leliana in DAO and Zevran to Alistair :P)

 

Soooo, Harding is the 'romance' for my main dwarf IQ pretty much by default. I love Cass and Dorian's romances, which are available to male dwarves, but apparently, they didn't give a lot of thought to a non-niche romance for female dwarves. Kinda like TV and movies - women who aren't conventionally perfect aren't supposed to expect anything better than a "redeem the bad boy/dysfunctional" romance...if they get one at all. And I'll stop before I start ranting :P :rolleyes:


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Oh, I'm with you on the height thing regarding Blackwall. When my Adaar was suddenly melting through the floor during his scenes, well, it was quite the buzz kill :P For me most of the romances are nice in theory, but when I actually start them, as you say, my enthusiasm wanes. Thankfully I do love Bull and Cullen to death & I love playing humans, but I can imagine how dissapointing it is to have the options for your favourite race be so limiting. I know how sad it makes me that my Trevelyan can't get some

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Oh, I'm with you on the height thing regarding Blackwall. When my Adaar was suddenly melting through the floor during his scenes, well, it was quite the buzz kill :P For me most of the romances are nice in theory, but when I actually start them, as you say, my enthusiasm wanes. Thankfully I do love Bull and Cullen to death & I love playing humans, but I can imagine how dissapointing it is to have the options for your favourite race be so limiting. You're playing an elf now aren't you? I hope you're still enjoying your experience.

 I've never been enthusiastic about humans myself because I can play humans in any modern RPG, after all, though if the background story was intriguing, say a human commoner criminal or anything unique, I would try it once. While I understand why they chose Dalish for DAI (sort of, I really don't see that strong a story reason, honestly, since only the war table missions and Solas removing the Vallaslin in a romance really need Dalish-only,) I much, much prefer city elves. But I've been in love with female dwarves since I first played through Orzammar in DAO.

 

I always have multiple PTs at the same time. :P I currently have 4 PTs in progress, 1 dalish, 2 dwarves, and a male qunari. I enjoyed my Solasmance (despite the LONG dry spell in content,) and I'm enjoying the Cullenmance and the Harding pseudo-romance. But my enthusiasm for replaying is waning a lot faster than it did in DAO (and I'm honestly thinking about firing DAO back up for another Brosca playthrough for a romance I like, and so I can pretend the body-redesign that gutted that storyline never happened, not to mention some of the other spectacular fails in DAI cutscene animations - I always wanted to have a crucial conversation with Varric viewed through the back of a chair.) I was about ready to cry when I found out the reason Cullen was race-gated was time and not a story reason. And honestly, I'd give my eyeteeth for the next game to have one incredibly romantic and attractive mainstream LI who was gated to dwarves only. It'll never happen, of course :P



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Nah, no one in here has ever said anything negative about my more reserved appreciation for Cullen (even when I'm in a bad mood and rant a little about how dwarves are treated in DA, particularly with the romances.) I was more trying to define the term, I suppose, and I suspect most of the time my reservations aren't at all obvious anyway. I think I'm more conscious of my own contradictions than other people are (kind of like how I'm not a big fan of DA2, but I laugh at myself when I rush through other things so I can go read R2s latest chapter of her Hawke-Cullen stories, because I enjoy how she writes the characters and stories.)

And a lot of people never let go of the high school culture of bullying and gossip; you just (sometimes) have more resources to escape it in the work world.

Plus, we're not giving you up!! <3

Lots of folks have been regulars around here because they appreciate his character development or even a good argument about why he sucks. No need to be a gushing fan girl to be a fan.
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 I've never been enthusiastic about humans myself because I can play humans in any modern RPG, after all, though if the background story was intriguing, say a human commoner criminal or anything unique, I would try it once. While I understand why they chose Dalish for DAI (sort of, I really don't see that strong a story reason, honestly, since only the war table missions and Solas removing the Vallaslin in a romance really need Dalish-only,) I much, much prefer city elves. But I've been in love with female dwarves since I first played through Orzammar in DAO.

 

I always have multiple PTs at the same time. :P I currently have 4 PTs in progress, 1 dalish, 2 dwarves, and a male qunari. I enjoyed my Solasmance (despite the LONG dry spell in content,) and I'm enjoying the Cullenmance and the Harding pseudo-romance. But my enthusiasm for replaying is waning a lot faster than it did in DAO (and I'm honestly thinking about firing DAO back up for another Brosca playthrough for a romance I like, and so I can pretend the body-redesign that gutted that storyline never happened, not to mention some of the other spectacular fails in DAI cutscene animations - I always wanted to have a crucial conversation with Varric viewed through the back of a chair.) I was about ready to cry when I found out the reason Cullen was race-gated was time and not a story reason. And honestly, I'd give my eyeteeth for the next game to have one incredibly romantic and attractive mainstream LI who was gated to dwarves only. It'll never happen, of course :P

I like the normality of being a human, especially because I don't play as a mage. Normality seems like the wrong word to use, all I mean by that is not sticking out in a crowd(I can't get it to sound right, I'm not trying to be rude about other races :unsure:) Also the Trevelyan back story resonated with me, I know the pains of being the youngest child :P As for a dwarven only LI, that would awesome, although I can't help thinking they'd make him/her dwarven aswell. I'd love to have some dwarven lovin' myself, though I fear my one true dwarven love is forever out of reach (looking at you Varric)



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Hee hee hee hee hee heee. My giveaway pic from Gala!!! :happy dance:  Cullen and Hawke from Knight's Bloom Chapter 8

 

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