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[Ariella]

Okay, for giggles I started posting my attempt at Fem!Hawke/Cullen today on AO3, it's just the prologue and I should have the first full chapter up by next week, but I figured I'd share.

 

 http://archiveofouro...hapters/9504663

[Tishina]

I was shocked when he went mad in DAO and killed 3 people.

I'm fairly certain that turned out to be nasty gossip...

[Ariella]

I was shocked when he went mad in DAO and killed 3 people.

 

I never remember that slide... Maybe because I didn't play mage at all.

[Tishina]

I never remember that slide... Maybe because I didn't play mage at all.

It wasn't a slide. You can overhear it during DAA while visiting Kinloch Hold if you're playing a mage-warden. If I recall, it's said by a couple of mages who obviously disliked the mage-warden (not sure if it's female only dialogue or not.)

[Ariella]

It wasn't a slide. You can overhear it during DAA while visiting Kinloch Hold if you're playing a mage-warden. If I recall, it's said by a couple of mages who obviously disliked the mage-warden (not sure if it's female only dialogue or not.)

 

Kinloch isn't available during DAA. It is in Witch Hunt and I've heard that the apprentices gossip about him being sent to a Chantry somewhere, but never this. I know the rumor from reading his entry in the wiki which is where it mentions it being in the slide. If you side with the mages, he looses it, if you side with the templars he becomes Knight Commander after Greigor and well, isn't the nicest guy... Not Meredith levels but still.

[Tishina]

I got the slide in my playthrough in the epilogue. It's if you make the tower independent if you play a mage. It was one of the offers from Anora.

Interesting. I made the tower independent and didn't get the slide, but from things others have mentioned getting, I think my slides were a bit glitched. However, those slides were rumor themselves...a lot of them have been retconned, and somewhere they've stated that he didn't kill anyone. Kind of like Oghren sobering up if you made the US and him becoming a great general and naming his first daughter (or son) after you...

 

Kinloch isn't available during DAA. It is in Witch Hunt and I've heard that the apprentices gossip about him being sent to a Chantry somewhere, but never this. I know the rumor from reading his entry in the wiki which is where it mentions it being in the slide. If you side with the mages, he looses it, if you side with the templars he becomes Knight Commander after Greigor and well, isn't the nicest guy... Not Meredith levels but still.

You're right, oops. I tend to lump all the post-archdemon content into DAA. Well, there's the proof those were rumors since he never became Knight Commander.

 

Edit: I wonder if they pulled some of the slides that were being retconned from the game for people who bought the game later? I didn't get DAO until spring 2013, and those two are far from the only two slides people have mentioned that I never saw...

[Tishina]

I consider it headcanon in my PT only because of how tormented he is about it in DAI. I got the impression he did some pretty bad stuff the way he talked to my Inquisitor.

I had the impression that regret had more to do with his behavior at the Gallows during DAA and his failure to protect mages there. He admits that Meredith had mages made tranquil for some pretty minor things, and there were things going on that he should have known about. I suspect he did something that caused Greagoir to reassign him, but I'm fairly certain they've stated that particular incident was rumor. R2, anyone else know for sure? (Not that there's anything wrong in headcannoning it anyway if it suits the PT you want, I'm just curious now whether I'm imagining things.)

[Owlfruit Potion]

I had the impression that regret had more to do with his behavior at the Gallows during DAA and his failure to protect mages there. He admits that Meredith had mages made tranquil for some pretty minor things, and there were things going on that he should have known about. I suspect he did something that caused Greagoir to reassign him, but I'm fairly certain they've stated that particular incident was rumor. R2, anyone else know for sure? (Not that there's anything wrong in headcannoning it anyway if it suits the PT you want, I'm just curious now whether I'm imagining things.)

The implication in his DA2 codex and WoT2 entry as I read them was that Greagoir sent Cullen away more to calm down his attitude than as punishment for specific actions (he had lots of ideas for new restrictions on the mages that Greagoir rejected IIRC). Totally agreed about the guilt being from Kirkwall though.

 

EDIT: And yeah, they've definitely spelled out explicitly that the epilogue slides were meant to be taken as rumor. Interestingly, in a recent hourlong interview, DG mentioned that they were holdovers from when the whole game was going to be told in a flashback by Elderly Morrigan. (I'd heard the Morrigan thing before but not that the epilogue had to do with it.) I'm sure they went through lots of iteration between that framing being cancelled and the final version, and specifically I like to think of them as Bodahn's rumors from the road, but the idea of Morrigan coming up with that rumor about Cullen is kind of funny given her hatred of both Templars and compliant Circle mages (and the way his request in Broken Circle tore her between the two competing dislikes).

[R2s Muse]

I was shocked when he went mad in DAO and killed 3 people.

Interesting. I made the tower independent and didn't get the slide, but from things others have mentioned getting, I think my slides were a bit glitched. However, those slides were rumor themselves...a lot of them have been retconned, and somewhere they've stated that he didn't kill anyone. Kind of like Oghren sobering up if you made the US and him becoming a great general and naming his first daughter (or son) after you...

You're right, oops. I tend to lump all the post-archdemon content into DAA. Well, there's the proof those were rumors since he never became Knight Commander.

Edit: I wonder if they pulled some of the slides that were being retconned from the game for people who bought the game later? I didn't get DAO until spring 2013, and those two are far from the only two slides people have mentioned that I never saw...

I had the impression that regret had more to do with his behavior at the Gallows during DAA and his failure to protect mages there. He admits that Meredith had mages made tranquil for some pretty minor things, and there were things going on that he should have known about. I suspect he did something that caused Greagoir to reassign him, but I'm fairly certain they've stated that particular incident was rumor. R2, anyone else know for sure? (Not that there's anything wrong in headcannoning it anyway if it suits the PT you want, I'm just curious now whether I'm imagining things.)

There are two DA:O epilogue slides that feature Cullen. The exact criteria to get them are buggy. In one he cracks from his Broken Circle experience, runs off and kills two apprentices. In the other, Greagoir dies and Cullen begins a reign of terror as Knight-Commander. DGaider has said said that all the epilogues are "hearsay and rumor," and so, as such, there's no need to modify the epilogue slides. No dev has directly addressed Cullen's epilogue, however, neither his DA2 codex nor World of Thedas 2 supports either outcome. Cullen obviously isn't Knight Commander of Kinloch Hold, and he obviously didn't run off into the countryside as a raving madman. In Witch Hunt, two mages gossip that he was sent to Greenfell chantry to "level out" and WoT2 supports this. His DA2 codex says that Greagoir didn't think it was prudent for Cullen to have oversight over the mages who had been the source of his torment, so sent him to Kirkwall, like Owlfruit Potion mentioned. It doesn't suggest that it was a punishment, at least not intentionally.

http://dragonage.wik...-Captain_Cullen

"After Cullen returned to his duties, it became clear that he would go to any lengths to enforce the Chantry's rule. His zeal troubled Knight-Commander Greagoir, who feared it unwise to let Cullen watch over the men and women he deemed responsible for his torment.

Greagoir sent Cullen to serve under Knight-Commander Meredith in Kirkwall, hoping time away would calm him, and Meredith found Cullen's view of mages similar to her own."

[Ariella]

There are two DA:O epilogue slides that feature Cullen. The exact criteria to get them are buggy. In one he cracks from his Broken Circle experience, runs off and kills two apprentices. In the other, Greagoir dies and Cullen begins a reign of terror as Knight-Commander. DGaider has said said that all the epilogues are "hearsay and rumor," and so, as such, there's no need to modify the epilogue slides. No dev has directly addressed Cullen's epilogue, however, neither his DA2 codex nor World of Thedas 2 supports either outcome. Cullen obviously isn't Knight Commander of Kinloch Hold, and he obviously didn't run off into the countryside as a raving madman. In Witch Hunt, two mages gossip that he was sent to Greenfell chantry to "level out" and WoT2 supports this. His DA2 codex says that Greagoir didn't think it was prudent for Cullen to have oversight over the mages who had been the source of his torment, so sent him to Kirkwall, like Owlfruit Potion mentioned. It doesn't suggest that it was a punishment, at least not intentionally.

I had never heard that it was supposed to be related by Morrigan, interesting considering her involvement in the DAI epilogue. I don't remember if they did the slides in NWN HotU, but it was done in BG2 which was pretty much what they were shooting for with DAO.

I have't gotten WoT (either one) yet, so I'm curious what it's got on Cullen. I know it names his siblings since the wiki now has all of them listed, but little else.

[R2s Muse]

I had never heard that it was supposed to be related by Morrigan, interesting considering her involvement in the DAI epilogue. I don't remember if they did the slides in NWN HotU, but it was done in BG2 which was pretty much what they were shooting for with DAO.I have't gotten WoT (either one) yet, so I'm curious what it's got on Cullen. I know it names his siblings since the wiki now has all of them listed, but little else.

Cullen's epilogues and outcomes are not related to Morrigan. He is mentioned in Witch Hunt only because you're back at Kinloch Hold and the mages there like to gossip about the Hero of Ferelden and Cullen.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=ExFZ2g2rcT4

WoT2 has quite a bit on him. The whole four pages have been posted here in the thread several times, so a quick search should find them.

[Owlfruit Potion]

Cullen's epilogues and outcomes are not related to Morrigan. He is mentioned in Witch Hunt only because you're back at Kinloch Hold and the mages there like to gossip about the Hero of Ferelden and Cullen.

WoT2 has quite a bit on him. The whole four pages have been posted here in the thread several times, so a quick search should find them.

I assume Ariella's referring to the Gaider comment I mentioned above (not a direct link in-game, but a kind of funny indirect causal link IRL), from this interview. "Related" in the sense of "told by".
 
(On the subject of things getting lost in my Walls O Text, any idea if that Cullen seemingly-about-Hawke line that I linked above is in-game and, if so, the conditions to get it? Seems like it would come up if you leave him/her in the Fade, but I did so and don't recall hearing it.)

[Ariella]

I assume Ariella's referring to the Gaider comment I mentioned above (not a direct link in-game, but a kind of funny indirect causal link IRL), from this interview. "Related" in the sense of "told by".
 
(On the subject of things getting lost in my Walls O Text, any idea if that Cullen seemingly-about-Hawke line that I linked above is in-game and, if so, the conditions to get it? Seems like it would come up if you leave him/her in the Fade, but I did so and don't recall hearing it.)

I was, I just got lost trying to do five different things at once. Multitasking is wonderful, until you hit a bump.

[Tishina]

I'm still not sure how I got that slide with Cullen. It was my first time beating DAO. My entire epilogue was practically a Disney ending that I thought was impossible in DA!

 

All I know is, my Amell saved the Circle, broke the werewolf curse, put Harrowmont on the throne (apparently dead later, but alive in DAI), saved Loghain, made Alistair marry Anora, romanced Zevran and had Loghain do the ritual with Morrigan. At the ending I asked Anora to make the Circle independent, and then got that epilogue with Cullen.

 

I played the game the exact same way with my human noble, but made Bhelen King and had no option for the cricle since I was not a mage and nothing about Cullen going mad came up.

Interesting. I played one of my Suranas very similarly on everything that should have influenced an outcome for Cullen - saved the circle, had Alistair marry Anora, and asked to make the circle independent (however, I killed Loghain and had romanced Alistair, but neither of those should have influenced Cullen's outcome.) But I never got any slide that mentioned Cullen on either mage PT. I'm fairly certain my slides were glitched because there are others slides I never saw no matter what choices I made.

[riverbanks]

(On the subject of things getting lost in my Walls O Text, any idea if that Cullen seemingly-about-Hawke line that I linked above is in-game and, if so, the conditions to get it? Seems like it would come up if you leave him/her in the Fade, but I did so and don't recall hearing it.)

 

The "invincible" line is about Hawke indeed (it's close among other lines in a tree of unused sound files that are clearly about Hawke and Kirkwall), but it's not in the game itself. It's one of the off-context lines Cullen was supposed to say in a radiant hang out scene with the IQ (like Sera's radiant rooftop scene), that never made into the final cut. If it worked at all like Sera's, he'd likely just say the "invincible" line and leave us to wonder what exactly he was recalling.

 

(fun exercise: which moment do you think Cullen is recalling when your Hawke felt invincible to him? I picture the rest of that conversation, and there are a couple of moments for my Hawke that definitely fit the emotion in Cullen's voice there... the Gallows, of course, but maybe the Arishok confrontation too, or even post-game, if Hawke stays)

[Owlfruit Potion]

The "invincible" line is about Hawke indeed (it's close among other lines in a tree of unused sound files that are clearly about Hawke and Kirkwall), but it's not in the game itself. It's one of the off-context lines Cullen was supposed to say in a radiant hang out scene with the IQ (like Sera's radiant rooftop scene), that never made into the final cut. If it worked at all like Sera's, he'd likely just say the "invincible" line and leave us to wonder what exactly he was recalling.

 

(fun exercise: which moment do you think Cullen is recalling when your Hawke felt invincible to him? I picture the rest of that conversation, and there are a couple of moments for my Hawke that definitely fit the emotion in Cullen's voice there... the Gallows, of course, but maybe the Arishok confrontation too, or even post-game, if Hawke stays)

Ah, OK, thanks. It's not grouped anywhere near the rest of the "fresh air" scene lines with the tools I'm using (and most, if not all, of the rest of them are together), hence my confusion.

 

And as for my Hawke... the words themselves could probably work for falling down the huge Gallows stairs directly onto Meredith and walking away like nothing happened, or something like that-- nothing fitting the admiring tone he says it in, tbh. I'm not a huge fan of either of my Hawkes,* even the "oh lord I don't think I'd say any of these paraphrases, let alone whatever full sentences they expand into... what to pick?!" self-insert attempt, and I imagine Cullen's relationships with both of them being described with slightly different variations on "tolerant".

 

* And I think like 60% of my disinterest might boil down to this one weirdly punchable facial expression animation...

 

(edited 50 million times, whatever)

[Tishina]

I played my game mod-free and it was the UE version updated to patch 1.05. Maybe something was fixed? After I beat it, I downloaded the Zevran Dialogue Mod fix and except for a lot of missing dialouge cut from the game, the slides seemed to be the same. Before I added the mods I even got the separate endings for Bella and Kaitlyn. Bella named her tavern after the Warden and Kaitlyn married Teagan.

 

Oh and my human noble romanced Alistair, but forced him on the throne with Anora, so that shouldn't matter either.

I played through my first time mod-free, but added two or three after that, mostly to fix things (I'm not entirely sure which version/patch I'm playing.) That might have influenced it. I've always gotten the tavern slide for Bella, but never any mention of Kaitlyn, and I've made every choice for her quest (except ignoring the quest entirely) I think. What's the Zevran Dialogue Mod fix? Have I been missing a lot of stuff, lol?

[R2s Muse]

The "invincible" line is about Hawke indeed (it's close among other lines in a tree of unused sound files that are clearly about Hawke and Kirkwall), but it's not in the game itself. It's one of the off-context lines Cullen was supposed to say in a radiant hang out scene with the IQ (like Sera's radiant rooftop scene), that never made into the final cut. If it worked at all like Sera's, he'd likely just say the "invincible" line and leave us to wonder what exactly he was recalling.

 

(fun exercise: which moment do you think Cullen is recalling when your Hawke felt invincible to him? I picture the rest of that conversation, and there are a couple of moments for my Hawke that definitely fit the emotion in Cullen's voice there... the Gallows, of course, but maybe the Arishok confrontation too, or even post-game, if Hawke stays)

What's curious about this, tho, is that the other lines that are clearly about Hawke have a male and female Hawke version. So if it's supposed to be specifically about Hawke, or even the Warden, you 'd think it would have the male counterpart. So it could just be about someone random to make us wonder.

[Hellion Rex]

The "invincible" line is about Hawke indeed (it's close among other lines in a tree of unused sound files that are clearly about Hawke and Kirkwall), but it's not in the game itself. It's one of the off-context lines Cullen was supposed to say in a radiant hang out scene with the IQ (like Sera's radiant rooftop scene), that never made into the final cut. If it worked at all like Sera's, he'd likely just say the "invincible" line and leave us to wonder what exactly he was recalling.

(fun exercise: which moment do you think Cullen is recalling when your Hawke felt invincible to him? I picture the rest of that conversation, and there are a couple of moments for my Hawke that definitely fit the emotion in Cullen's voice there... the Gallows, of course, but maybe the Arishok confrontation too, or even post-game, if Hawke stays)

Huh. I would say that he saw us as invincible right after we landed the final blow on Meredith. In the cutscene, I remember Hawke walks in her direction confidently before she petrified. It is in that moment that I believe Cullen witnessed our invincibility. All through that ordeal, my Hawke never wavered, never hesitated. He was the epitome of pure, unrelenting force.


Also, does anyone have the sound file? I'd love to hear it.