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[R2s Muse]

This thing here:

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

I mentioned the first time I posted it, we don't know if this is just one isolated account or if all lyrium initiations are done like that. But given that this codex is found in Cassandra's Templar manual in the Way of The Templar quest, I think it's supposed to signal a somewhat standard initiation ritual.

 

The thought of all the Templar NPCs we know and love (Alistair, Cullen, Barris, Evangeline, Carver etc) undergoing that ritual is... ugh.

Ah, yes, I remember this now. I guess since it's part of the templar spec, it must be standard, right? I guess it stands to reason it would involve some sort of significant ritual at the start. Weird that merely being touched by lyrium would make you crave it. I wonder if it was partially being metaphorical. 

[Vanalia]

How can Cassandra have the same Templar skills as a templar but without taking lyrium?

[Marika Haliwell]

Aaw I want to see the scene now, but still, it breaks my heart to refuse his dance when I know he must have gathered all his courage to ask you that. I must find the link on YouTube. Someone has it?

Taking lyrium seems to be very painful Alistair never did that though? I think he did not pass that ritual, he was going to do it but joined the Wardens instead? I don't remember him taking lyrium.

He said he didn't because he was conscripted in the wardens before doing the ritual. 

[riverbanks]

He said he didn't because he was conscripted in the wardens before doing the ritual. 

 

Yeah, but since then the canon has been retconned several times, and the official canon stance now is that Alistair did take lyrium as a Templar. He wasn't using lyrium in Origins because he'd just left the Order and still had enough residual lyrium in his blood that he could draw from to summon his abilities, but by the time the comics happen (8 years after Origins) enough time has passed that he has started taking lyrium again to use his abilities in full.

 

(Gives you a whole new spin on Alistair by the time of Inquisition, doesn't it? In 9:41 he's not only dealing with an aging taint and hearing the false Calling, but also with the effects of recently using/quitting lyrium again. Eesh.)

 

Ah, yes, I remember this now. I guess since it's part of the templar spec, it must be standard, right? I guess it stands to reason it would involve some sort of significant ritual at the start. Weird that merely being touched by lyrium would make you crave it. I wonder if it was partially being metaphorical. 

 

I don't think it's simply being touched by the lyrium, but like, actually branded? At least I read that passage as something very aggressive, like they were burning the lyrium into the recruit (with the use of a glove and everything), forcing into the person's system. I visualize the lyrium entering the body like something out of a horror movie, like the black oil in X-Files, you know?

 

How can Cassandra have the same Templar skills as a templar but without taking lyrium?

 

Spoilers! This is explained in Cassandra's personal quest in Inquisition, so if you haven't done that yet, she'll tell you herself soon.

[R2s Muse]

 

I don't think it's simply being touched by the lyrium, but like, actually branded? At least I read that passage as something very aggressive, like they were burning the lyrium into the recruit (with the use of a glove and everything), forcing into the person's system. I visualize the lyrium entering the body like something out of a horror movie, like the black oil in X-Files, you know?

:shudder: Maker, I hope not. It's not really clear, tho, is it? Hmm, I wonder if the devs would answer a question on that. Creeeeepy.

[FFZero]

This thing here:

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

I mentioned the first time I posted it, we don't know if this is just one isolated account or if all lyrium initiations are done like that. But given that this codex is found in Cassandra's Templar manual in the Way of The Templar quest, I think it's supposed to signal a somewhat standard initiation ritual.

 

The thought of all the Templar NPCs we know and love (Alistair, Cullen, Barris, Evangeline, Carver etc) undergoing that ritual is... ugh.

 

I have to say I’m curious as to why this causes addiction and not tranquility. We know that being branded with lyrium causes a mage to become tranquil and that the same happens to non-mages from what Cassandra tells us so how is this ritual new Templars undertake different? The only thing I can think of is that maybe the placement of the brand is what decides the effects, so a brand on the forehead = tranquility, brand on the body = Templar abilities. I also wonder if the writers were maybe researching the chakras when they decided on the lyrium brand being on the forehead for tranquils. 

[riverbanks]

I have to say I’m curious as to why this causes addiction and not tranquility. We know that being branded with lyrium causes a mage to become tranquil and that the same happens to non-mages from what Cassandra tells us so how is this ritual new Templars undertake different? The only thing I can think of is that maybe the placement of the brand is what decides the effects, so a brand on the forehead = tranquility, brand on the body = Templar abilities. I also wonder if the writers were maybe researching the chakras when they decided on the lyrium brand being on the forehead for tranquils. 

 

It's an interesting theory, but I think the location might be more related to symbolism? The Tranquil receives the mark on their forehead (where their brain/mind is) to the severing of their emotions and dreams, and the Templar on the chest (where their heart/soul is) to signify their full commitment to the Order, or something like that.

 

The difference, I think, would not be in the location, but in the ritual itself - the Tranquility ritual uses a lyrium brand but the lyrium itself doesn't infect the Tranquil; the lyrium initiation on a Templar leads to the lyrium being absorbed by their body and "infecting" them like a disease (when they describe a Templar drawing power from the lyrium in their system on the books, it sounds even like it's in their bloodstream). So they're probably completely different rituals, even in the way the lyrium is processed for it, how much is used etc, to get such different results.

[Cerulione]

Agree. Of course, I keep hearing Yoda's voice in my head. "He is too old. Yes. Too old to begin the training."

 

I really love how you manage to link Star Wars to Dragon Age

 

What happens to a templar who continues to take lyrium? death? madness?

 

I wouldn't be able to play a templar taking Lyrium, and I wouldn't ask Cullen to continue taking it, I don't like when it's too tragic >__< I mean, he deserves happiness without too many worries, he already suffered so much. I wouldn't want to worry him even more.

 

 

I'm reading some old pages of this thread to check on your reactions at the first pics of Cullen, and the first reactions of people playing the romance. I didn't reach these pages yet, where are they? I checked around the pages 3080 but it takes a long time, I cannot read everything 

 

Ummm... DA:O possible spoiler?

 

Spoiler

In DA:O it's mentionned & showed & discussed on several occasions, several templars who ended up losing their mind & memories to Lyrium. At least on 3 occasions:

1. Carroll who guarded the access to Kinloch Hold. He's a boss in DA:I if you side with mages

2. An old templar who guard the entrance to Denerim grand cathedral

3. Another older templar (Irminic) who lose his mind & imprisoned in Arl of Denerim Dungeon

 

OK I want more romance scenes but I'm glad there are still two.

I finished the Calpernia quest but it ends a bit abruptly...

I wonder: did one of you ever tried to refuse the danse with Cullen after the ball? I wonder what happens if you do. I would not be able to do that, I was waiting for him to invite me for so long it would break my heart to refuse him.

 

It's really cute even if you refuse him

He's very understanding ^^

 

How can Cassandra have the same Templar skills as a templar but without taking lyrium?

 

It's a huge spoiler.

 

Spoiler

It's explained on Cass' personal quest.

 

Cass is a Seeker. To be a Seeker one has to be made tranquil, then another seeker summon the spirit of Faith who touch the mind of the Tranquilled person. It'll restore the "emotion" and granted the person seeker abilities.

[Vanalia]

I did again the scene of Cullen asking for a dance just to see what happens if I refuse. Haha I guess the developpers did not expect anyone to refuse at that moment, especially without any possibility to make a save just before ! So it's very quick, Cullen just says "ah, of course", little pat on the shoulder and that's all. So, a bit dissappointing, but at least I know now.

It's hard to refuse him anything. He's so cute.

[Joe25]

Am I the only one who was sad when Cullen didn't run after flirting with him? I would run to the end of every map for that little lion.

[Vanalia]

I'm glad he doesn't run! I like the mature Cullen who is still a bit shy but knows what he wants and when to make his move.

[Joe25]

I'm glad he doesn't run! I like the mature Cullen who is still a bit shy but knows what he wants and when to make his move.

Not even a foot race as a if you can catch me flirt.

[meanieweenie]

Not even a foot race as a if you can catch me flirt.

After chasing after Cullen for the last 2 games... I would not have been pleased had he run this time. 

[Vanalia]

Haha, I agree. This time he got caught! for our greatest pleasure.

[Cerulione]

Haha, I agree. This time he got caught! for our greatest pleasure.

 

He let himself get caught... Basically looking at his smile I'm even on the opinion that he's the one catching her... At least after the woo break she looks captivated & he looks really... XD

[R2s Muse]

I have to say I’m curious as to why this causes addiction and not tranquility. We know that being branded with lyrium causes a mage to become tranquil and that the same happens to non-mages from what Cassandra tells us so how is this ritual new Templars undertake different? The only thing I can think of is that maybe the placement of the brand is what decides the effects, so a brand on the forehead = tranquility, brand on the body = Templar abilities. I also wonder if the writers were maybe researching the chakras when they decided on the lyrium brand being on the forehead for tranquils. 

It's an interesting theory, but I think the location might be more related to symbolism? The Tranquil receives the mark on their forehead (where their brain/mind is) to the severing of their emotions and dreams, and the Templar on the chest (where their heart/soul is) to signify their full commitment to the Order, or something like that.

 

The difference, I think, would not be in the location, but in the ritual itself - the Tranquility ritual uses a lyrium brand but the lyrium itself doesn't infect the Tranquil; the lyrium initiation on a Templar leads to the lyrium being absorbed by their body and "infecting" them like a disease (when they describe a Templar drawing power from the lyrium in their system on the books, it sounds even like it's in their bloodstream). So they're probably completely different rituals, even in the way the lyrium is processed for it, how much is used etc, to get such different results.

It can't just be the brand, tho, that causes you to be Tranquil. Agree that the magic and ritual must also play a role.

 

On the templars, I can't help but think that the burning in the codex is almost more ritualistic, like let's burn ourselves with pure lyrium as a sign of our devotion to duty or something, and it's still the drinking of lyrium that hooks you. 

[Cerulione]

This thing here:

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

I mentioned the first time I posted it, we don't know if this is just one isolated account or if all lyrium initiations are done like that. But given that this codex is found in Cassandra's Templar manual in the Way of The Templar quest, I think it's supposed to signal a somewhat standard initiation ritual.

 

The thought of all the Templar NPCs we know and love (Alistair, Cullen, Barris, Evangeline, Carver etc) undergoing that ritual is... ugh.

 

Ah, I make myself sad T__T

 

It can't just be the brand, tho, that causes you to be Tranquil. Agree that the magic and ritual must also play a role.

 

On the templars, I can't help but think that the burning in the codex is almost more ritualistic, like let's burn ourselves with pure lyrium as a sign of our devotion to duty or something, and it's still the drinking of lyrium that hooks you. 

 

Probably the ritual can also start something, like activate the templar ability or something like that & the lyrium serves only to feed it. Idk

[riverbanks]

Probably the ritual can also start something, like activate the templar ability or something like that & the lyrium serves only to feed it. Idk

 

This is what I think, too. The ritual "activates" something, and the routine lyrium ingestion serves to "fuel" the abilities (since they seem to wane the longer a Templar has been out of the habit - the core remains in their system, I believe, but they can no longer draw on the residual lyrium unless they start fueling again/having enough of it in their body to burn off with each Smite/Cleanse/etc, such as in Alistair's case).

 

Of course, this is all guesswork and speculation on my part. I think that's how it works, but it could be nothing like that too, in the end.

 

(And sorry for making you sad, Ceru. That's what I'm here for, to deliver sad headcanons and not so witty one-liners! )

[Vanalia]

He let himself get caught... Basically looking at his smile I'm even on the opinion that he's the one catching her... At least after the woo break she looks captivated & he looks really... XD

 

He looks really what? after the intimate scene, he really looks in love, the way he says he never felt like this before, the way he is looking at her when she leaves... like:*sigh* she's dreamy"...

 

But of course he also knows the power he has on her. The little smirk he has after you do the regular kiss, or at some other moments ^^

 

It's funny to see that in the Cullen romance, it's really "all for the eyes of the lady gamer": you see Cullen naked (twice), and never your character naked. In the Blackwall romance it's the contrary, you see your character naked but never Blackwall. Poor Blackwall fangirls.

[Asperath]

It can't just be the brand, tho, that causes you to be Tranquil. Agree that the magic and ritual must also play a role.

 

On the templars, I can't help but think that the burning in the codex is almost more ritualistic, like let's burn ourselves with pure lyrium as a sign of our devotion to duty or something, and it's still the drinking of lyrium that hooks you. 

 

You would think that there would be some marking from such a ritual though?

Also, Alistair never took his full vows, so it seems that this ritual would have to be undertaken while in later stages of training (at least) to start taking lyrium?

[R2s Muse]

You would think that there would be some marking from such a ritual though?

Also, Alistair never took his full vows, so it seems that this ritual would have to be undertaken while in later stages of training (at least) to start taking lyrium?

That's what I was thinking. Frankly, it would be kinda cool if there was some mark, brand, tattoo, something from the ritual that shows you're a Real™ Templar. But, um, we've seen naked templars and there's no such thing. 

 

On Alistair, yeah, that's also what I was thinking. He must never have gone through the ritual and the vows, but how could you possibly learn the templar skills without the lyrium, so how could the vows be the first time you take it? Bah. I think they just dug themselves a hole with Alistair that they can't come back from.  

[R2s Muse]

It's Sunday, so have casual Cullen by Feylen.
 

 
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[riverbanks]

It's funny to see that in the Cullen romance, it's really "all for the eyes of the lady gamer": you see Cullen naked (twice), and never your character naked. In the Blackwall romance it's the contrary, you see your character naked but never Blackwall. Poor Blackwall fangirls.

 

As much as I appreciate the reverse objectification in Cullen's romance, as a Blackwall fan, I'm glad we didn't see him naked, to be honest. They would have the same default male body they use for everyone (super chiseled, zero body hair), and for Blackwall that would've been really disappointing. As it is, we can headcanon him big and hairy under the armor like a proper bear and the game doesn't contradict it.

 

That's what I was thinking. Frankly, it would be kinda cool if there was some mark, brand, tattoo, something from the ritual that shows you're a Real™ Templar. But, um, we've seen naked templars and there's no such thing. 

 

Default body model aside, I reject the game's reality (Cullen having no body hair, no scars, nothing interesting going on there) and substitute with Mello's as it is, so why not add one more big ugly lyrium burn scar to his chest. Yummy!  

[R2s Muse]

As much as I appreciate the reverse objectification in Cullen's romance, as a Blackwall fan, I'm glad we didn't see him naked, to be honest. They would have the same default male body they use for everyone (super chiseled, zero body hair), and for Blackwall that would've been really disappointing. As it is, we can headcanon him big and hairy under the armor like a proper bear and the game doesn't contradict it.

 

 

Default body model aside, I reject the game's reality (Cullen having no body hair, no scars, nothing interesting going on there) and substitute with Mello's as it is, so why not add one more big ugly lyrium burn scar to his chest. Yummy!

Oh. Admit it. There are a *few* interesting things going on there. :eyebrow waggle: 

 

But, point taken.  I also think the lyrium scar thing would be super interesting!! Better than a sword of mercy tattoo, even, which is saying a lot. 

[MaethorialBelle]

It seems as though I only come here anymore to dump my stuff One day I'll have something interesting to add to the discussion. I'll stick it under a cut so you don't have to see if you're not interested in daddy Cullen.

Spoiler

I knocked up a quick drabble to accompany it if you'd like to read it