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[riverbanks]

I'm so happy to finally see someone else endorse this specialisation I love being an Artificer, but people always seem to dump on it. Someone went so far as to say it shouldn't exist and needs to be replaced with something else.

Yeah, this fandom does that "stop liking things I don't like" number a lot, and that extends from big issues like characters and romances to completely inane things like your character class or specialization and even your favorite weapon model. If I told you the things I've been called out there for having the gall to play a rogue Inquisitor, leave alone a useless piece of garbage of an Artificer at that!

Anyway, yeah, I'm a big big fan of the Artificer spec. It's so fun in combat, and gives you so much roleplaying leeway - my noble human archer is good at traps because she used to hunt in the teyrn's woods, my dwarf archer is good at bombs because she was proud Carta trash, etc. It's the bee's knees.

Plus, Hail of Arrows. Seriously. Poisoned Weapons + Hail of Arrows + Leaping Shot = Emprise high dragon 1-hit kill. Can't beat that.

[riverbanks]

Zoe's therapist looking a lot like Cullen has been weirding me out ever since he showed up in the game... well, that's one of the reasons it's weirded me out, the other is that he's one of many characters in that game voiced by Mark "Ser Jory" Healy.

Did you notice that Barris is voiced by Jory's actor too? That's been weirding me out from day one. I don't know that I want to be so turned on by Ser Jory, of all people!

[Tishina]

Wow, moving fast, and I'm not going to try quoting anyone right now.

 

My feelings about the Cousland origin being preferable to actually live through has to do with her life until that point (every origin goes to hell in some sense at the point of being recruited) and actually very little to do with their wealth. It's a loving, supportive family, and while they probably had their problems (does any family not?) that's why I say it's the only one I could personally imagine choosing because there is nothing in life more valuable than a childhood with at least one person who loved you unreservedly. I grew up with a close family member who was orphaned young, and not having someone who cares for you can do terrible things to you, leave you unable to really believe in anyone or care for them. It doesn't have to, but I know I'd take having that loving family even if it meant the pain of losing them over not having that family at all. It's terrible to have to watch a parent or close family member die (I've been there too, and I'm sorry you had to, Riverbanks.) But it's also terrible to watch someone slowly self-destruct over years, helpless to stop it. Maybe it's because I'm a parent and feel that a bond with at least one adult is incredibly important for the future adult's ability to have normal relationships. For that reason, I read the mage origin (and remember, a mage lost her family too, though in a different way and much younger) as producing a mage struggling to deal with even normal emotional interactions. It's subtler and very easy to discount as trivial, but isn't at all (in my interpretation) nor is the shock of suddenly dealing with an outside world with which you haven't had contact since you were a very small child.

 

However, again, that doesn't mean I think anyone else should feel differently about the origins. No one should have to apologize for how they feel (emotional reactions are subjective by definition,) but that includes me. I enjoy hearing why others like their favorite origins, and I don't think anyone else should change their POV because of mine, but I won't lie about my preferences either. Yes, you can be creative with what they give you, but I'd rather have an origin I don't have to stretch too far to get a story I like. I don't "hate" the Cousland origin, but I'd be lying if I denied that I felt it was unoriginal and wished they'd do something for once with a commoner origin. I doubt they will because noble human stories seem to be popular with most players. So since I have a strong preference for underdog stories, my Couslands were probably the last humans I'll play in DA.

[R2s Muse]

I'd like to suggest that the "which Warden origin is worse/better/more tragic/more whatever" discussion has run its course. It always engenders bad feelings, and is coming close to doing so here.

[Sifr]

Yeah, this fandom does that "stop liking things I don't like" number a lot, and that extends from big issues like characters and romances to completely inane things like your character class or specialization and even your favorite weapon model. If I told you the things I've been called out there for having the gall to play a rogue Inquisitor, leave alone a useless piece of garbage of an Artificer at that!

Anyway, yeah, I'm a big big fan of the Artificer spec. It's so fun in combat, and gives you so much roleplaying leeway - my noble human archer is good at traps because she used to hunt in the teyrn's woods, my dwarf archer is good at bombs because she was proud Carta trash, etc. It's the bee's knees.

Plus, Hail of Arrows. Seriously. Poisoned Weapons + Hail of Arrows + Leaping Shot = Emprise high dragon 1-hit kill. Can't beat that.

 

Artificer is a great and fun spec to play, it lends itself so much to roleplaying and is such a different and interesting idea for a class, I can't help but love it.

 

The only criticism I have about the class (aside from Varric's AI being horrible at using the skills effectively) is that it'd have been nice to have more unique skills to compliment our particular weapon of choice, as the mines and traps are far less useful for archers as you're rarely in range to use them. Having some variety of trick arrows, such as those with elemental effects, would have probably suited archers more.

 

(Artificer isn't the only class I'd have given some more abilities on depending on weapon, Reavers using sword and shield could have done with some kind of Shield Spike ability, causing bleed on hit effects)

 

Did you notice that Barris is voiced by Jory's actor too? That's been weirding me out from day one. I don't know that I want to be so turned on by Ser Jory, of all people!

 

Ser Jorris is love, Ser Jorris is life.

 

Another weird coincidence is that in Dragon Age, his actor voices Jory (afraid of mages) and Barris (a Templar), while in Dreamfall, he voices Zoe's therapist (from the non-magical Stark) and numerous Azadi (the anti-magical faction of Arcadia).

[thats1evildude]

my warden had the smelliest origin because elves pee in the street so there was lots of pee in the alienage and pee is very smelly

 

what do i win

[MaethorialBelle]

I thought it was a friendly and interesting discussion, off topic perhaps but in no way malicious. Apologies if anyone's feelings got hurt

 

Now back to Cullen: I saw on tumblr that some people headcanon their inquisitor's turning Cullen's coin into a pendant, but my Trevelyan wouldn't do that because she feels he might want it back one day, in the same condition as when he gave it to her. What else could you do with it? What did your inquisitors do with it? Not because I need fic ideas or anything

[riverbanks]

The only criticism I have about the class (aside from Varric's AI being horrible at using the skills effectively) is that it'd have been nice to have more unique skills to compliment our particular weapon of choice, as the mines and traps are far less useful for archers as you're rarely in range to use them. Having some variety of trick arrows, such as those with elemental effects, would have probably suited archers more.

 

See, I think it's the other way around! Because archery is about controlling the field, and the Artificer abilities are all about control and range. The traps are supposed to be set in advance, either from stealth or out of the line of sight of enemies, then triggered when a meleer closes in on you, so their most effective use is in keeping enemies off your close range - you set the Spike Trap around you, like a ward, snipe with Full Draw, and when the aggro'd enemy you hit comes after you they'll get caught in your trap as you run away.

 

Then you have the Elemental Mines, which are crowd-control tools for when your ranger gets surrounded. You don't use them offensively just to cause damage, you use them defensively to stun enemies clustered around you while also causing damage on top - so with the mines you can replace both Throwing Blades and Toxic Cloud (which cause damage but don't stun) and Knockout Powder (which stuns but doesn't cause damage), shaking your enemies off and giving you time to run out back into range. And then you have the Fallback Plan, which is your Hail Mary as a ranger - your Stealth is on countdown, your Mines are on countdown, even your Leaping Shot is on countdown, so you have no way to gain distance? Fallback Plan will forcibly pull you out of the melee mess and back to wherever you set your safe zone. This is such a life-saver ability on higher difficulties, specially against dragons and elite bosses - zone out, drink some potions, clear your cooldowns, and start firing again (from your new safe distance, to get higher crit bonuses of course). That's why I think this spec was made for archers, because it's all about keeping you away from the danger zone, and keeping people off your back.

 

But! You're super right in that, oooooooooh boy, what I wouldn't give for trick arrows. *__* Having more trick shots than just Poisoned Arrows and Explosive Shot would have been amazing - I miss Origin's ice arrows, fire arrows, mana-draining arrows etc, DA2's version of the Hail of Arrows that was just a rain of arrows on everyone's bums...  Imagine the ridiculous fun Dagna would have coming up with crazier and crazier trick shots for the Inquisitor! (....and the Inquisitor's face as they go, are you sure this is safe?? )

 

(also you're 100% correct that Varric's AI is bollocks and the spec is wasted on him, too. I don't even bother giving him any skills in that spec anymore because Varric will never use them in the engineered control way they're intended to be used; he'll do a lot better just speccing fully into Sabotage and spamming Caltrops, poison and Throwing Blades all over the place)

[Ariella]

Ser Jorris is love, Ser Jorris is life.
 
Another weird coincidence is that in Dragon Age, his actor voices Jory (afraid of mages) and Barris (a Templar), while in Dreamfall, he voices Zoe's therapist (from the non-magical Stark) and numerous Azadi (the anti-magical faction of Arcadia).

I cannot believe I missed this. I blame not having played DAO in ages. Gah, usually I'm so good with voices.

And what is this Dreamfall? I'm starting to get really curious.

Now back to Cullen: I saw on tumblr that some people headcanon their inquisitor's turning Cullen's coin into a pendant, but my Trevelyan wouldn't do that because she feels he might want it back one day, in the same condition as when he gave it to her. What else could you do with it? What did your inquisitors do with it? Not because I need fic ideas or anything

My Inquisitors tend to keep it pristine. Though, it would make sense to put it in a small pouch around the neck and kept under armor.

[Vanalia]

Oh yes I want an attack like a rain of arrows, I loved this one. Was it in DAO? Or maybe I'm confusing with my Guild wars 2 archer.

What is the reaction of Cullen if you don't accept the coin? Never tried, didn't want to dissapoint him...

[MaethorialBelle]

I cannot believe I missed this. I blame not having played DAO in ages. Gah, usually I'm so good with voices.

And what is this Dreamfall? I'm starting to get really curious.


My Inquisitors tend to keep it pristine. Though, it would make sense to put it in a small pouch around the neck and kept under armor.

I like this idea a lot. I may have to borrow it

 

Oh yes I want an attack like a rain of arrows, I loved this one. Was it in DAO? Or maybe I'm confusing with my Guild wars 2 archer.

What is the reaction of Cullen if you don't accept the coin? Never tried, didn't want to dissapoint him...

For one of the responses, the inquisitor says "Keep it, I don't want your luck to run out". To which Cullen replies "neither do I, not now I finally have some". I can't remember what he says for the other one, something about reading the inquisitor's reports on her adventures. It's still a pretty sweet moment.

[Vanalia]

He's always sweet ^o^

I'll reload my save before the scene just to check XD

[riverbanks]

Now back to Cullen: I saw on tumblr that some people headcanon their inquisitor's turning Cullen's coin into a pendant, but my Trevelyan wouldn't do that because she feels he might want it back one day, in the same condition as when he gave it to her. What else could you do with it? What did your inquisitors do with it? Not because I need fic ideas or anything

 

I imagine when people headcanon that their IQs turned the coin into a pendant, that they asked Cullen if that was ok first? I don't see Cullen making much of an issue about it, in any case. He'd probably find it endearing that she chooses to wear his ugly and worthless old coin as a necklace, when she could probably afford expensive luxurious jewelry at that point, if she wanted to.

 

My own Inquisitor wears his lucky coin like a bracelet charm, held by a leather cord, like this:

Spoiler

Not very creative, but she's a leather girl, it's what she would do. She did ask Cullen first if it was okay to nail a hole into his coin to pass a cord through so she wouldn't lose it, though, and I imagine the scene as him even helping her craft it at the smithies, then wrapping it around her wrist himself, like you bind a favor to your beloved's arm. And she wears it on her shooting hand to make her arrows ~lucky~ too. (and yes, Cullen, found that notion very silly / endearing the first time she mentioned it )

 

I imagine Ari keeps wearing the bracelet for good, too, even once they're done with Cory. It goes from being his lucky charm to bring her back to him alive at the end of the world, to a little piece of him that's always with her even when they're apart, for whatever political or military or etc reasons. She gave him a memento of hers in exchange for the coin back at the lake scene in my headcanon, and I like to think they wouldn't ask either one back, just keep wearing it for the rest of their lives as a little constant reminder of each other.

 

(I mean, he could ask for the coin back, that's a perfectly valid scenario too! He just doesn't in my personal canon, because their good luck tokens become more than that in the end.)

[Vanalia]

When I took it I feared that he would run out of luck and something bad might happen to him I felt a bit guilty. But it seems that this action has no repercussions on the rest of the game so that's fine. So I kept it. My inquisitor will keep it in a pocket near her heart ^o^

I just checked the other dialogue options, OMG everything he says is so damn cuuute. How does he do that? He has the super-power of ultimate cuteness.

[MaethorialBelle]

I imagine when people headcanon that their IQs turned the coin into a pendant, that they asked Cullen if that was ok first? I don't see Cullen making much of an issue about it, in any case. He'd probably find it endearing that she chooses to wear his ugly and worthless old coin as a necklace, when she could probably afford expensive luxurious jewelry at that point, if she wanted to.

 

My own Inquisitor wears his lucky coin like a bracelet charm, held by a leather cord, like this:

Spoiler

Not very creative, but she's a leather girl, it's what she would do. She did ask Cullen first if it was okay to nail a hole into his coin to pass a cord through so she wouldn't lose it, though, and I imagine the scene as him even helping her craft it at the smithies, then wrapping it around her wrist himself, like you bind a favor to your beloved's arm. And she wears it on her shooting hand to make her arrows ~lucky~ too. (and yes, Cullen, found that notion very silly / endearing the first time she mentioned it )

 

I imagine Ari keeps wearing the bracelet for good, too, even once they're done with Cory. It goes from being his lucky charm to bring her back to him alive at the end of the world, to a little piece of him that's always with her even when they're apart, for whatever political or military or etc reasons. She gave him a memento of hers in exchange for the coin back at the lake scene in my headcanon, and I like to think they wouldn't ask either one back, just keep wearing it for the rest of their lives as a little constant reminder of each other.

 

(I mean, he could ask for the coin back, that's a perfectly valid scenario too! He just doesn't in my personal canon, because their good luck tokens become more than that in the end.)

He doesn't ask for it back in my canon either, but my inquisitor is a relationship noob and assumes he's just lending it to her until Corypheus has been dealt with. I wasn't accusing inquisitors who wear it as a necklace of vandalism    It's just for my Trevelyan, well, she treats the coin like it's going to shatter at any moment (it probably has its own special pillow to rest on when she's sleeping) so putting a hole in it just wouldn't work for her. I love your ideas though, both your inquisitor wearing it as a bracelet on her shooting arm and the inquisitor giving him something in return

 

Cullen would definitely find in endearing if she wore it as jewelry. I can imagine it gives Leliana and Josephine no end of amusement when Cullen forgets himself in the war room, staring with that little smirk as the coin catches his eye from around her neck or wrist (or wherever else)

[Tishina]

I thought it was a friendly and interesting discussion, off topic perhaps but in no way malicious. Apologies if anyone's feelings got hurt

 

Now back to Cullen: I saw on tumblr that some people headcanon their inquisitor's turning Cullen's coin into a pendant, but my Trevelyan wouldn't do that because she feels he might want it back one day, in the same condition as when he gave it to her. What else could you do with it? What did your inquisitors do with it? Not because I need fic ideas or anything

You can always wire wrap the coin and wear it as a pendant without altering it in any way. It's what I imagined (though I used to do wire wrapping, so that may be why it came to mind.)

 

I like this idea a lot. I may have to borrow it

 

For one of the responses, the inquisitor says "Keep it, I don't want your luck to run out". To which Cullen replies "neither do I, not now I finally have some". I can't remember what he says for the other one, something about reading the inquisitor's reports on her adventures. It's still a pretty sweet moment.

The third one, you tell him you can stay out of trouble on your own, and he remarks that you're very good at getting into trouble, he's read the reports. I may have spent 15 minutes deciding whether to go with that answer or take the coin (took the coin eventually.)

[riverbanks]

I just checked the other dialogue options, OMG everything he says is so damn cuuute. How does he do that? He has the super-power of ultimate cuteness.

 

Yep, he never responds negatively to anything you say in his romance scenes. The lake scene is one where you can try to sass him but he sasses you back, and then in the sex scene and the prayer one he has other great answers too for Inquisitors using the sarcastic or pragmatic lines. He always turns the Inquisitor's attitude right back around into some cute loving joke about how much he likes her anyway.

[MaethorialBelle]

You can always wire wrap the coin and wear it as a pendant without altering it in any way. It's what I imagined (though I used to do wire wrapping, so that may be why it came to mind.)

 

The third one, you tell him you can stay out of trouble on your own, and he remarks that you're very good at getting into trouble, he's read the reports. I may have spent 15 minutes deciding whether to go with that answer or take the coin (took the coin eventually.)

I just looked up wire wrapping for a reference and holy cow, there are some really beautfiul designs. Thank you for this idea, I think this may be the one for my Maerwynne

 

I struggled with what to choose on the lake date too, I'm usually pretty clear cut with what I decide on but there seemed to be no clear winner with this scene. The only other one I struggle with is the sex scene. I love my inquisitor telling him that she loves him (that look ) but when she says "I'm never worried" and Cullen replies "I almost believe you"... Aghh!! I love it sooo much. He doesn't seem shy in calling the inquisitor out on her bs, even if he does it sweetly (and sassily). I'm glad they're on equal footing when it comes to their personal lives.
 

[Vanalia]

Can't wait for the prayer scene.

An answer I didn't like in the sex scene is the one like "then I got what I wanted"... sounds misplaced and manipulative... My favorite answers are " this is still a good morning" because he answers "it's perfect" and it goes very well with his "I've never felt anything like this before" just after. And of course I have to pick the "I love you" option because I want it said

[Tishina]

I just looked up wire wrapping for a reference and holy cow, there are some really beautfiul designs. Thank you for this idea, I think this may be the one for my Maerwynne

 

I struggled with what to choose on the lake date too, I'm usually pretty clear cut with what I decide on but there seemed to be no clear winner with this scene. The only other one I struggle with is the sex scene. I love my inquisitor telling him that she loves him (that look ) but when she says "I'm never worried" and Cullen replies "I almost believe you"... Aghh!! I love it sooo much. He doesn't seem shy in calling the inquisitor out on her bs, even if he does it sweetly (and sassily). I'm glad they're on equal footing when it comes to their personal lives.
 

Cool! I've thought about pulling out my old tools and trying to wire wrap a coin for someone to use in a Cullenmance cosplay, but it's been 13 or 14 years since I really did any...

 

Yes, I love some of the dialogue choices too. There's a very different person under that self-doubting exterior...

[Cerulione]

I really wouldn't call Cullen's hair "blonde" but more "dirty blonde" or "sandy." BW started off with the darker stubble so I kept going with it. This was just a whim to see if I could do it and I couldn't believe that I couldn't tell my hair from the vanilla hair! I have plans to try the following:

• Add some lighter blonde hairs in to see how it looks
• Add a bit of "salt n pepper" look to the temple area as an alternate. My b/f started going grey there right at about 30...and personally some "salt n pepper" can be very smexy to this 30-something chica. 
• Try to work on Cullen's hair to make it more "noodly" and lifelike. 

Do you think anybody would want this if I were to make an actual "mod" of it? Font already gave me her blessing to use her original texture to build from (which I would give her credit of course).

 

I'm on if ever you make it.

 

I wish there was a mod in Skyrim to have Cullen as a follower (or possible husband)  I searched but didn't find any.

 

I NEED THIS. Especially I'm making another new chara. We can have Gimly & Legolas as companion, no reason we can't get Cullen!! The thing is the voice though. It won't be Cullen without Greg's voice T___T

 

I finished my chibi Cullen, you romanced him so you will understand for the broken bottle and the sturdy desk 

 

http://evolvana.devi...ition-548007522

MEOOOOOOOWWWW!!! Alright I squealed when I saw that

Seriously this one's really great ^^

 

For anybody interested in well executed canon divergence fics. I recommend this one:

 

The Rogue Templar by WendelinTheWriter - http://archiveofouro...g/works/3564938

 

I really hope this writer finishes the story (it's 21 chapters at the moment). I'm very picky about the fics I recommend/bookmark, but this one definitely gets top marks so far.

 

Spoiler

Basically, it's Cullen in the DAI time frame, explaining to Cassandra what really went down in DA2. In the story he is the one that was stirring up **** in Kirkwall. Playing double-agent between Meredith (Templars) and Anders (Mages). It's very well done so far. He even hooked up with Anders (pre-Hawke) at one point, which is why he gets brought into the Mage Underground's dealings.

 

Sounds good! I'll just download it & read it later on though along with R2s apparently... mmhmmm fic XD

[Vanalia]

Ha, I got that mission at the war table with the rumors about the singer girl from the tavern. The one where Cullen comments "no way, this is ridiculous" or something. Haha I want to send HIM on that mission just to laugh at the result.

Cerulione : I found Thorin Oakenshield as a follower, so... XD but yes there wouldn't be Greg's voice unless the mod creator picks some voice clips from DAI. I'm glad you like my chibi XD

[Cerulione]

Ha, I got that mission at the war table with the rumors about the singer girl from the tavern. The one where Cullen comments "no way, this is ridiculous" or something. Haha I want to send HIM on that mission just to laugh at the result.

Cerulione : I found Thorin Oakenshield as a follower, so... XD but yes there wouldn't be Greg's voice unless the mod creator picks some voice clips from DAI. I'm glad you like my chibi XD

 

I'm a huge sucker for Chibis. Especially if it's Cullen being cute like that XD

 

Hmm that's an idea, since Skyrim's conversation is more limited...? Although Idk how they are going to cut the whole dialogues to erase the whole lore... Thorin one is with original voice from the movie or...?

[MelissaGT]

Yep, he never responds negatively to anything you say in his romance scenes. The lake scene is one where you can try to sass him but he sasses you back, and then in the sex scene and the prayer one he has other great answers too for Inquisitors using the sarcastic or pragmatic lines. He always turns the Inquisitor's attitude right back around into some cute loving joke about how much he likes her anyway.

 

There are a couple times when it comes close to him sounding a little miffed in response. I got them with Rhiannon because she generally chose the "gruff" responses. A good example would be the "sex" scene when he's at the door, you can say something along the lines of "duty first" and he clearly doesn't care for that response. There's another specific scene, but I can't think which one it is where he can respond with "so what if I am?" but he says it in a rather clipped way which to me had a sort of negative connotation. I'm thinking it might have been one of the scenes related to Samson. 

 

In response to the coin thing, most of my IQ's tell him to keep it. I love his naughty response. I also wouldn't have the heart to put a hole in it to wear it like a pendant. As said above, things can be done to be able to wear it without modifying the actual coin, but I would say that my girls probably don't wear too much jewelry because it could potentially get in the way/hinder them in combat. 

[riverbanks]

Hmm that's an idea, since Skyrim's conversation is more limited...? Although Idk how they are going to cut the whole dialogues to erase the whole lore... Thorin one is with original voice from the movie or...?

 

It's technically possible and not too difficult to splice sound clips from various sources and re-work them into a custom follower's lines, but that's actually copyright infrigement. There have been mods that did that, and they were taken down for copyright claim from the movies/series/etc the sound clips came from. That's why follower mods in Skyrim either use vanilla voices, or are custom-voiced by volunteering members of the community.

 

Greg couldn't do it for free himself, either, because it'd implicate a lot of legal problems for him work-wise. Unfortunately, if there was ever a fully-voiced Cullen follower mod, the best shot at it actually sounding like Cullen would have to be finding a volunteer voice actor who could emulate Greg's voice well enough. (it's not impossible, though! I remember there was one guy on tumblr who made a series of audio clips of himself reading love letters written by various characters, and he could do Cullen's, Alistair's and Zevran's voices really well)

 

(Reminds me! There was once a Fenris follower mod that used spliced audio from the game itself, working only with Gideon's lines as the various NPCs he plays. The modder never released it on the Nexus, though, because they were using assets (Fenris' hair and armor) from BioWare before BW released their official statement that they don't mind, and I think it eventually got lost in the older threads of Lover's Lab. Pity, it was a pretty ingenuous idea.)