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[Vanalia]

and done through a messenger, not even in person. Like I said, independent of what he may or may not feel or think about the Mage warden, the structure and format of the interaction is odd.

 

 

That's what I found creepy in fact, that it is made through someone else, because it's so personal...

 

I didn't take into account the fact that the warden mage should be dead. Is it the only end she can meet at the end of DAO? that's why for me Cullen was asking Leliana about someone still alive (not because he felt guilty because he couldn't tell her what he felt/thank her), so that sounded really odd, like the man who couldn't get over with it, even if the girl was still alive somewhere and apparently never felt the need to see him again.

 

If she's considered dead then we can see that under another light then, but well, still creepy. Especially if I try to imagine him drunk at the same time, come on, move on man, it was ten years ago.

 

What does "US warden" means?

 

So, well, if the topic is subject to argument I'll stop there, I just dscovered that video of banter so I was just wondering.

 

 

To change the subject:

 

- I've never heard the banter about Blackwall/Josie either, I just found that on a wiki page.

 

- I prefer the keyboard to play to Mass effect, because I'm too bad at targeting ennemies with anything else than a mouse 

 

- It's fine if some romance-able characters have other love interests if you don't romance them BUT it depends on who. For example to me it's natural to see Bull or Zevran flirting around with other people, even Dorian, because it's their temper. But it starts to be a bit annoying when that other PNJ romance contradicts the romance with the hero (ex: Garrus who says it's the first time he have feelings for someone for another race, and then bam, he falls for Tali instead, eeer... ok ) or if the romance is sweeter than the hero one (Blackwall seems a lot more romantic with Josie than with the Inquisitor), or if the character is a shy one and it took all YOUR effort to finally make them yours (Alistair, Cullen)... fortunately these two, you don't see them flirting around with other PNJ from your group, because that would be odd. 

 

And why not have characters who, YES, if you don't romance them, stay alone and sad? not all of them of course, but it would be realistic. Some people in life just don't find their soulmate, and stay alone, or they would love you in secret and keep their feelings for themselves, not able to romance anyone else for a long moment. Because even if some characters only fall in love after a long time, some of them (like Cullen) admit that they "wanted to do that for longer than he would admit". So I think that even if you don't flirt with some characters, there is a possibility that THEY still fall in love with you. Because they don't love you because of one or two flirt dialogues you did, they love you because of your temper, your charisma, your looks, what you inspire them. And this, happens even without flirting.

 

That's my opinion 

[Tishina]

That's what I found creepy in fact, that it is made through someone else, because it's so personal...

 

I didn't take into account the fact that the warden mage should be dead. Is it the only end she can meet at the end of DAO? that's why for me Cullen was asking Leliana about someone still alive (not because he felt guilty because he couldn't tell her what he felt/thank her), so that sounded really odd, like the man who couldn't get over with it, even if the girl was still alive somewhere and apparently never felt the need to see him again.

 

If she's considered dead then we can see that under another light then, but well, still creepy. Especially if I try to imagine him drunk at the same time, come on, move on man, it was ten years ago.

 

What does "US warden" means?

 

So, well, if the topic is subject to argument I'll stop there, I just dscovered that video of banter so I was just wondering.

 

 

To change the subject:

 

- I've never heard the banter about Blackwall/Josie either, I just found that on a wiki page.

 

- I prefer the keyboard to play to Mass effect, because I'm too bad at targeting ennemies with anything else than a mouse 

 

- It's fine if some romance-able characters have other love interests if you don't romance them BUT it depends on who. For example to me it's natural to see Bull or Zevran flirting around with other people, even Dorian, because it's their temper. But it starts to be a bit annoying when that other PNJ romance contradicts the romance with the hero (ex: Garrus who says it's the first time he have feelings for someone for another race, and then bam, he falls for Tali instead, eeer... ok ) or if the romance is sweeter than the hero one (Blackwall seems a lot more romantic with Josie than with the Inquisitor), or if the character is a shy one and it took all YOUR effort to finally make them yours (Alistair, Cullen)... fortunately these two, you don't see them flirting around with other PNJ from your group, because that would be odd. 

 

And why not have characters who, YES, if you don't romance them, stay alone and sad? not all of them of course, but it would be realistic. Some people in life just don't find their soulmate, and stay alone, or they would love you in secret and keep their feelings for themselves, not able to romance anyone else for a long moment. Because even if some characters only fall in love after a long time, some of them (like Cullen) admit that they "wanted to do that for longer than he would admit". So I think that even if you don't flirt with some characters, there is a possibility that THEY still fall in love with you. Because they don't love you because of one or two flirt dialogues you did, they love you because of your temper, your charisma, your looks, what you inspire them. And this, happens even without flirting.

 

That's my opinion 

US, ultimate sacrifice - a warden who turns down the dark ritual with Morrigan and chooses to die at the end of DAO.

 

And I would never describe Alistair as shy. Inexperienced and not in a hurry, yes. But shy, no.

 

I'm not sure what's the problem, there already are LIs do not hook up with anyone if we don't romance them? But that's also not our decision to make for another person, even a pixel person. Apparently in the decade since DAO, if Morrigan was romanced, she's never been involved with anyone. Leliana doesn't (though I've heard there's something implied between her and an unromanced Alistair in one of the DLCs?) I don't think Anders does. Cassandra does not, neither does Sera or Solas or Cullen. But my opinion from observation is that most people find someone at least for a while at some point in their life; the exceptions are usually, though not always, people who don't want someone in their lives. I won't touch the concept of soulmates, however, since that's another potentially explosive topic, other than to say I'm not a believer in the idea as usually expressed.

[Vanalia]

Yes I was saying soulmate but it's not exactly what I meant, I don't believe in it either, but I believe that some people are more or less compatible and for some of them it's very rare to find someone 100% compatible ^^

 

Some people fall in love regularly, and some others never fall in love (but maybe they would have but they never crossed the path of that "very compatible person"), or just once or twice in their lives...

 

People can find someone at a moment in their lives, but maybe wouldn't love them as much as they would have loved someone else (someone they never met but who exists, somewhere).

 

It reminds me of that beautiful french song of Joe Dassin "Et si tu n'existais pas" ^^ (found a translation for people who don't understand french):

http://lyricstransla...nt-exist.html-1

 

Well Alistair is not really shy when he talks, but shy in his actions (like how he panics when the warden asks him to go in her tent, and he refuses), not self-confident. 

 

It seems Cullen didn't want anyone in his life because of his lyrium addiction and other personal matters.

[Ariella]

I tend to project an excessive lot of empathy and compassion into Cullen too, but he's actually capable of being pretty callous and insensitive sometimes, intentionally or not. It's my whole issue with the way he's written in Before The Dawn - he makes conscious efforts to go against any attempt of yours to sympathize with or at least understand the circumstances that led Samson to ruin, and deliberately denies the Red Templars any humanity, when even your least suspecting companions like Vivienne and Solas have banter that address the fact that there are still human beings under the lyrium monsters; it's so far removed from his usual characterization as otherwise compassionate and humane towards even people who may not deserve it that it just doesn't sound like Cullen at all. And then there's a few war table responses of his (that are actually pretty in character) where he's not being intentionally mean or anything, but he still makes me go ".... you know, Cullen, not every problem can be solved with a punch in the face..."
 
So yeah, I get the feeling of sometimes reading him a kinder light than reality because he seems most of the time like a person who would be nothing but compassionate and considerate towards others given the sum of his life experiences, but if we take him to task on it he can have some pretty questionable moments too, and be not quite as graceful as we tend to project.

Actually, Cullen's reaction to Samson and the Red Templars in BTD makes perfect sense. It's summed up pretty well when he reads the letter Samson left for Cullen at the temple. Samson is a nice dark mirror, and Cullen REALLY doesn't like what's looking back at him. Listen to him talk about Meredith too post Perseverance (at least when he's not on the lyrium), and Cullen's horrified at what he might have become if he'd let Meredith continue to shape him. If he'd asked maybe one less question, or had one less moral objection. Samson and the Red Templars represent everything he hates about himself and everything he's trying to break from.

[Vanalia]

I never did that Samson's quest (got Calpernia's) so I didn't really see the angry Cullen (except during Perseverance). I'll side with the mages next time, I was disappointed I didn't get Cullen's quest.

 

But that's true that at the war table, basically the solutions of the missions are:

 

- Josephine: let's talk with the nobles, they will help us.

- Leliana: I'll send my assassins threaten that guy and he won't bother us anymore.

- Cullen: let's send our troops!

 

[Tishina]

Listening to banter between Blackwall and Varric about Cullen's sea trip, I now have the urge to write a story with a sea-loving Inquisitor. But I probably won't because that would be probably the worst possible match for Cullen, even if I think I could make it work .

[MaethorialBelle]

Listening to banter between Blackwall and Varric about Cullen's sea trip, I now have the urge to write a story with a sea-loving Inquisitor. But I probably won't because that would be probably the worst possible match for Cullen, even if I think I could make it work .

My inquisitor is a sea-loving inquisitor . Oddly enough, for the past hour I've been looking up pictures of cottages by the sea for a fic I'm writing about my Trevelyan & Cullen, but thought perhaps the waves might remind Cullen of his time aboard the ship and the cramped conditions. My quizzie will have to settle for a lake instead. Not very interesting I'm sure but I thought I'd mention it because it's quite the coincidence. Also I have to add this just because it's still odd to me, I'm writing this fic for my mother.

[Ariella]

Listening to banter between Blackwall and Varric about Cullen's sea trip, I now have the urge to write a story with a sea-loving Inquisitor. But I probably won't because that would be probably the worst possible match for Cullen, even if I think I could make it work .

Actually this makes me think if Kitai and Tavi in Jim Butcher's Codex Alera... "Even I have my limits, Aleran."

[Vanalia]

Never heard that banter, what do they say? I have to put Varric and Blackwall in the same team  (but I rarely have party banter)...

 

(I checked on the wiki and didn't find anything about the ship and Cullen in the banter Varric/Blackwall).

[Tishina]

Never heard that banter, what do they say? I have to put Varric and Blackwall in the same team  (but I rarely have party banter)...

 

(I checked on the wiki and didn't find anything about the ship and Cullen in the banter Varric/Blackwall).

Oh, he doesn't say a lot, but Varric does refer to Cullen's feeling about sea travel, an obvious reference to his seasickness (which is in WoT 2, if not elsewhere.) It just pushed my thoughts in that direction because I've always had a very impractical desire to live on a houseboat full time.

 

My inquisitor is a sea-loving inquisitor . Oddly enough, for the past hour I've been looking up pictures of cottages by the sea for a fic I'm writing about my Trevelyan & Cullen, but thought perhaps the waves might remind Cullen of his time aboard the ship and the cramped conditions. My quizzie will have to settle for a lake instead. Not very interesting I'm sure but I thought I'd mention it because it's quite the coincidence. Also I have to add this just because it's still odd to me, I'm writing this fic for my mother.

Too funny! Of course, it's hard to be certain how much his problem on the trip from Kirkwall was due to lyrium withdrawal and claustrophobia, but Varric's reference to the trip just started the train of thought - Cullen matched with someone who loved the sea. I think it could work, but Cullen would have to be the stay-at-home partner, watching for the ship to return from the sea. Half the fun to me would be writing the sea-going portion of the story, though. Makes me kind of wish I knew DA2 well enough to write an Isabela-Hawke story, with Hawke struggling to learn how to tie knots and how to tack into the wind, etc.

[riverbanks]

Leliana doesn't (though I've heard there's something implied between her and an unromanced Alistair in one of the DLCs?)

 

(anyway) The Alistair/Leliana thing is implied in a codex entry in Darkspawn Chronicles, which is an alternate universe in which the Warden died in the Joining, so Alistair was the only Warden left.

Spoiler

Codex: Leliana was a lay sister of the Chantry. In a vision, the Maker urged her to leave the cloister and battle the Blight. Her skill at archery, evidence of a surprising past, brought her to the attention of the Grey Warden named Alistair. She soon joined him as an ally--and, rumor says, a lover.

 

Actually, Cullen's reaction to Samson and the Red Templars in BTD makes perfect sense. (...) Samson and the Red Templars represent everything he hates about himself and everything he's trying to break from.

 

I get the meta logic behind it, I just still don't think it's in-character for Cullen. The way he dehumanizes people whose shoes he has been in and reduces the various experiences of different people who are not himself to a cheap either/or comparison against his own privileged point of view goes against everything else that his character signals to stand for. I've ranted about how gross I think Cullen's characterization is in Before The Dawn enough for a lifetime I think, but the short of it is: I get it - I just don't think that person is Cullen at all. It's a personal issue with this quest that I'm probably not ever getting over.

 

Listening to banter between Blackwall and Varric about Cullen's sea trip, I now have the urge to write a story with a sea-loving Inquisitor. But I probably won't because that would be probably the worst possible match for Cullen, even if I think I could make it work .

 

My Quizzie is a sea-loving Inquisitor too! Not a very seafaring one, so there wouldn't be too much trouble with actually being in ships, but she loves beaches and the sea and very much misses them from Skyhold. Since Ostwick is a sea-town, i headcanon Ari to have grown by the beach, or watching the ocean from her window. Her ideal place to live would be right by the sea, where she could watch the tide from her tower's balcony. Poor Cullen would probably spend most of his days retching over the battlements, though.

[Asperath]

I have a little theory I've been mulling around with on why the Ferelden Wardens and Awakening crew were AWOL in Inquisition, presuming that the False Calling was not confined solely to Orlais (which some dialogue implies) but reached across all the south;

 

Spoiler

Perhaps that when the Awakening Wardens were briefly captured and experimented on by the Architect in the Silverite Mines in Awakening, he infused some of his blood into each of them, either out of curiosity to see what would happen or in the hopes of it having some unknown purpose.

 

Since the Architect has since been implied to be one of the original darkspawn, perhaps having his blood in their system meant they were somehow rendered immune to the effects of the False Calling (as Corypheus does not appear to be affected) when it struck the Wardens in Inquisition.

 

Curious why they alone were unaffected, and perhaps fearing what the other Wardens who were being whammied might do if they found out, the Awakening crew chose to skedaddle to either find the Warden-Commander or the Architect (or both) hoping to find answers.

 

As for Sigrun being absent from the Keep, neither is Velanna. Which makes me think that either they were overlooked accidentally, Bioware figured that since most people recruited them it was easier to just say it was canon (like Anders and Justice in DA2), or that their possible "fates" in the epilogue are going to be retconned down the line, much like the Origins slides where Cullen ends up going Jack Torrance on some mage apprentices?

 

I like your theory. I have to say I was a little annoyed after the Warden goes off on their mission, that no one seems left in charge of the Fereldan wardens. Otherwise, Clarel would have no direct authority to summon the Fereldan wardens really.

 

It is possible that the First Warden could know what s/he is up to (but doubt that considering how Fiona was treated after losing her taint - btw do we know how that happened?) or simply the wardens in Fereldan s/he trusts knows how to get in contact with her/him? I like to think inparticually Sigrun & Oghren (yes I love Oghren!) is with my warden

 

Back to Cullen, I don't see Cullen's reaction to the red templars too out of character but I can understand both views.

I tend to view it as an extremely personal issue for him and really got under his skin to the point that when he thinks about it or it is brought up, his rational/reasonable thought kinda gets thrown out the window, you would think on some level he would understand it but that can also attribute to why he's so passionate about it.

 

To be honest though, I'm personally not a huge fan of that quest line.

[Vanalia]

It's really strange to imagine Alistair and Leliana together, even in a parallel world  (especially the dark Leliana we know in DAI, while Alistair is more light-hearted).

 

It's true that I'm not a big fan of the "hateful Cullen" but I guess that for some topics his judgment is totally clouded and he becomes not objective at all.

 

The IQ could like the sea and beaches without forcing Cullen to go on a boat  when I think about it I might heard Varric talk about the travel by ship but I don't remember in which circumstances.

 

I wonder how you players react to all the strange accents in the game? isn't it annoying? in this Dragon age almost half of the characters have a french accent, and that's funny to find here and there names totally in french (l'Emprise du Lion, etc). They have skilled voice actors who can really get the french accent, but some others... when they say french words, it doesn't sound french at all, even when they try. I wonder if some voice actors are french or canadian, or if all of them are american and try their best to imitate accents (with more or less success) 

[MaethorialBelle]

Oh, he doesn't say a lot, but Varric does refer to Cullen's feeling about sea travel, an obvious reference to his seasickness (which is in WoT 2, if not elsewhere.) It just pushed my thoughts in that direction because I've always had a very impractical desire to live on a houseboat full time.

 

Too funny! Of course, it's hard to be certain how much his problem on the trip from Kirkwall was due to lyrium withdrawal and claustrophobia, but Varric's reference to the trip just started the train of thought - Cullen matched with someone who loved the sea. I think it could work, but Cullen would have to be the stay-at-home partner, watching for the ship to return from the sea. Half the fun to me would be writing the sea-going portion of the story, though. Makes me kind of wish I knew DA2 well enough to write an Isabela-Hawke story, with Hawke struggling to learn how to tie knots and how to tack into the wind, etc.

 

I personally think his dislike of being on boats is mainly caused by caustrophobia because of what it says in the world of Thedas 2 (It says "he disliked the confined spaces belowdecks, complaining to the ships herbalist that he found it difficult to breathe") Any interpretation is valid of course, it's just claustrophobia works better for my view of is character.

 

btw there was something I wanted to tell you! It's dwarf appreciation week on tumblr, I'm not sure if you're interested or already know, but I thought I should tell you.

 

It's really strange to imagine Alistair and Leliana together, even in a parallel world  (especially the dark Leliana we know in DAI, while Alistair is more light-hearted).

 

It's true that I'm not a big fan of the "hateful Cullen" but I guess that for some topics his judgment is totally clouded and he becomes not objective at all.

 

The IQ could like the sea and beaches without forcing Cullen to go on a boat  when I think about it I might heard Varric talk about the travel by ship but I don't remember in which circumstances.

 

I wonder how you players react to all the strange accents in the game? isn't it annoying? in this Dragon age almost half of the characters have a french accent, and that's funny to find here and there names totally in french (l'Emprise du Lion, etc). They have skilled voice actors who can really get the french accent, but some others... when they say french words, it doesn't sound french at all, even when they try. I wonder if some voice actors are french or canadian, or if all of them are american and try their best to imitate accents (with more or less success) 

I could certainly tell when the french accents were fake, it seemed all of them were 

 

On the opposite end of the scale in regards to angry Cullen, promoting Ser Barris if you side with the templars is one of my favourite scenes. I love the camera angle that captures both Cullen and the inquisitor and, although it's not romance related at all, it's another moment where my love of power couples gets sated. It's just a nice, peaceful moment where Cullen seems so quietly proud; I love imagining the conversation that took place before the ceremony, them planning out the best way to do it ("lets make Barris think he's in trouble ") I actually recorded it just so I could stick it on my tumblr for easy access.

[Vanalia]

Can you post that scene with Ser Barris? It's what I did, I promoted him and like this scene but I don't remember all the details.

 

What is "World of Thedas", a separate "guide of the video game" of something?

 

Dwarf appreciation week... I would have nothing to post on Tumblr on the subject, I fear.

 

About the french accents, even if they are all fake, some seem more fake than others. I'm just asking because I know that for Assassin's creed for example, for some french characters they really hire people who really speak french with no accent (as they have teams in Quebec, France, etc).

Some accents in DAI are very, very cliché but that's funny 

[Char]

My warden queen is blatantly busy dragging Nathaniel, Velanna and Sigrun into trouble on her search for the Calling cure. I still haven't finished my fic where the Inquisition meets my Cousland warden. Probably never will at this rate; the amount of things on my to-do list gets bigger every day. I was perfectly happy knowing my warden was queening it up in DA2, having them disappear on a quest just to get them out of the way for Inquisition just screams for a resolution.

I don't know which will be stranger- having Cullen & Leliana in the next game, or not having them there. They've both been present in all three games so far, and whilst I think their arcs are both probably finished now, it will be very strange not to see them if their chapters are closed.

[Char]

Can you post that scene with Ser Barris? It's what I did, I promoted him and like this scene but I don't remember all the details.
 
What is "World of Thedas", a separate "guide of the video game" of something?
 
Dwarf appreciation week... I would have nothing to post on Tumblr on the subject, I fear.
 
About the french accents, even if they are all fake, some seem more fake than others. I'm just asking because I know that for Assassin's creed for example, for some french characters they really hire people who really speak french with no accent (as they have teams in Quebec, France, etc).
Some accents in DAI are very, very cliché but that's funny 

They're definitely not all fake; I know Leliana's VA is definitely French, but no idea about any of the others. I'd be surprised if Bioware hadn't made an effort to at least get some French-Canadians in to VA though; even if it was only a couple.

[R2s Muse]

They're definitely not all fake; I know Leliana's VA is definitely French, but no idea about any of the others. I'd be surprised if Bioware hadn't made an effort to at least get some French-Canadians in to VA though; even if it was only a couple.

Yes, and the dude who did Riordan for sure. It's an odd topic, because people complain about the French accents a lot when many are done are by folks who are genuinely French. 

 

edit for ToP: And um a different kind of French communication from Cullen.

 

[R2s Muse]

And, for those who haven't seen them, alexieapril on tumblr has been practicing with a different kind of skirt on Cullen.

 

NSFW

 

http://alexielapril....a-kilt-appeared

 

http://alexielapril....ed-a-fanfiction

[MaethorialBelle]

Leliana and Riordan didn't even enter my head when I said I thought a lot of the French accents sounded fake. I was thinking about the whole winter palace mission, I swear that during a part of her speech Briala sounded Welsh.

[R2s Muse]

Leliana and Riordan didn't even enter my head when I said I thought a lot of the French accents sounded fake. I was thinking about the whole winter palace mission, I swear that during a part of her speech Briala sounded Welsh.

In Briala's case, her VA is actually a Brit who was raised in Ireland, so that might have something to do with it. But in general, the French accents have a too big target painted on them in the DA fandom, often unfairly.

[MaethorialBelle]

Can you post that scene with Ser Barris? It's what I did, I promoted him and like this scene but I don't remember all the details.

 

What is "World of Thedas", a separate "guide of the video game" of something?

 

Dwarf appreciation week... I would have nothing to post on Tumblr on the subject, I fear.

 

About the french accents, even if they are all fake, some seem more fake than others. I'm just asking because I know that for Assassin's creed for example, for some french characters they really hire people who really speak french with no accent (as they have teams in Quebec, France, etc).

Some accents in DAI are very, very cliché but that's funny 

 

Sure, I'll post the video as soon as I can.

 

The world of Thedas is a lore book, there are actually two of them now.

[riverbanks]

Leliana and Riordan didn't even enter my head when I said I thought a lot of the French accents sounded fake. I was thinking about the whole winter palace mission, I swear that during a part of her speech Briala sounded Welsh.

 

Briala gets a pass because elves in general are supposed to have a Welsh accent, so I think her French sounding Welshy is intentional.

 

I also think a lot of the fake French in DAI was intentional, to make Orlais really grate on you. We're supposed to find urban Orlais a fake and affected place, and the draggy fake people in Val Royeaux talking like Pepé Le Pew or the nobles going honhonhon oui oui baguette at you in Skyhold help make you subconsciously very tired of it all.

 

At least it sounds more intentional than accidental that every annoying irrelevant NPC has such a cartoonish accent, but when you have characters you're supposed to take seriously in the story, those are either voiced by real French people (like Leliana, Riordan and Celene), or people with good, non-baguette accents (like Gaspard and Michel).

[Vanalia]

I'm french, so french accent in general, when it's exagerated, sounds ridiculous to me, it doesn't sound sexy or exotic or anything, just sounds like a student who would not be able to speak fluently. But I'm not annoyed by it in the game, that's funny. It's cute so see characters saying french words here and there.

When you play in french you don't see anything of all this because they don't make any special accent, they just all speak french. Well I guess, because Zevran didn't even have any accent in DAO (his accent is not supposed to sound french anyway). I'm playing DAI in english for Greg Ellis voice and all the different accents, it adds diversity.

 
edit for ToP: And um a different kind of French communication from Cullen.
 

I like Cullen's french communication I'd be glad to be his teacher, he seems to be a quick-learner student!

[MaethorialBelle]

 

I was finally able to post it, sorry it took so long. You might will have to manually change the quality to HD, I tried messing around with it to make it automatic but it hasn't worked (well it hasn't on my end).