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[riverbanks]

I though the chapel scene triggered right away after Temple of Mythal, so almost by definition you wouldn't get the romance part of it if you had to go break up with Solas first?

You're thinking of the Flemeth scene, I believe, which triggers immediately after Pride. The chapel scene has to be triggered manually, like the rest of Cullen's scenes. You can easily miss it if you don't go talk to him between Pride/Doom. I remember in my first playthrough I almost missed it - only found out about it because at last moment before starting Doom, I decided to give Cullen a last kiss before we lost all romantic interactions, and the scene triggered then.

(...I ran all the way back from the chapel to his office afterwards to give him that kiss anyway because he was too adorable in that cutscene and deserved a smooch for it )

So in theory you could trigger Solas' breakup scene, then run through all of Cullen's romance in a row, and still catch the chapel scene at the last minute. You'd have missed the whole ball, the romantic banter, the dance, and the conversation after it about your poor taste in dance partners, though, which are some of the sweetest moments in his long-term romance, and just ain't worth missing.

[Vanalia]

I don't want to try Solas's romance, it seems very sad, when I read your posts!

I will never miss Cullen's chapel scene because I go kiss him every time I go to Skyhold. Or at least talk to him. And the more I do that, the more sync problem I have with the sound of the kiss XD it's worse and worse.

[wiccame]

You're thinking of the Flemeth scene, I believe, which triggers immediately after Pride. The chapel scene has to be triggered manually, like the rest of Cullen's scenes. You can easily miss it if you don't go talk to him between Pride/Doom. I remember in my first playthrough I almost missed it - only found out about it because at last moment before starting Doom, I decided to give Cullen a last kiss before we lost all romantic interactions, and the scene triggered then.

(...I ran all the way back from the chapel to his office afterwards to give him that kiss anyway because he was too adorable in that cutscene and deserved a smooch for it )

So in theory you could trigger Solas' breakup scene, then run through all of Cullen's romance in a row, and still catch the chapel scene at the last minute. You'd have missed the whole ball, the romantic banter, the dance, and the conversation after it about your poor taste in dance partners, though, which are some of the sweetest moments in his long-term romance, and just ain't worth missing.

The trouble is the chapel scene is the first one to trigger when you talk to Cullen after the temple so, even if you break up with Solas first you cant initiate a romance with Cullen because it takes you straight into that scene. Sucks

[Vanalia]

In the party banter they talk about the break-ups, like when you break up with Blackwall to go with, let's say, Sera. But I don't know if they talk about it if you go with an advisor afterwards.

[wiccame]

In the party banter they talk about the break-ups, like when you break up with Blackwall to go with, let's say, Sera. But I don't know if they talk about it if you go with an advisor afterwards.

No idea....who would WANT to break up with Cullen anyway?! They must be hunted down and tortured slowly. 

Edit: Ooops misread  I was like seriously, break up with Cullen? Lol no idea though, I never break up with any one once I start a romance with them. Well there was this one time with Solas...for REVENGE!           

[Vanalia]

What did Solas do to you? XD OK don't spoil me the game if it's spoiler no I would never break up with Cullen, I saw the videos on YouTube, I can't do that to him. The look in his eyes... Poor darling...

Somehow I feel like breaking up with Bull wouldn't hurt Bull because it's just fun for him... He will have sex with all the other girls of Skyhold just after, I'm sure, even if he already did.

[R2s Muse]

The trouble is the chapel scene is the first one to trigger when you talk to Cullen after the temple so, even if you break up with Solas first you cant initiate a romance with Cullen because it takes you straight into that scene. Sucks

Aha! That's it. I thought I remembered there was a reason I couldn't get it. It triggers as soon as you walk through his door after Temple of Mythal. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.  

 

So yeah, waiting til Act 3, you miss the Chapel AND the ball. That there is a crying shame. 

[R2s Muse]

What did Solas do to you? XD OK don't spoil me the game if it's spoiler

Everything about the Solas romance is a major spoiler. Esp if you haven't finished the game yet.

[wiccame]

What did Solas do to you? XD OK don't spoil me the game if it's spoiler no I would never break up with Cullen, I saw the videos on YouTube, I can't do that to him. The look in his eyes... Poor darling...

Somehow I feel like breaking up with Bull wouldn't hurt Bull because it's just fun for him... He will have sex with all the other girls of Skyhold just after, I'm sure, even if he already did.

 

Everything about the Solas romance is a major spoiler. Esp if you haven't finished the game yet.

Yeah I wont spoil anything for you which practically means I cant tell you anything.

TBH I have a feeling Bull would be upset even though he seems like and would probably even make out that it wouldn't bother him. Bioware loves making you feel guilty. That's the main reason I stick to my original LI, I hate breaking peoples hearts. 

 

I accidentally broke up with Cullen once at the first kiss scene, I was playing with flycam and pressed 2 by mistake while button mashing.....OMG I had to esc out of that quickly and redo it cause it almost broke my heart. 

[meanieweenie]

Somehow I feel like breaking up with Bull wouldn't hurt Bull because it's just fun for him... He will have sex with all the other girls of Skyhold just after, I'm sure, even if he already did.

The feeling I got from Bull's romance - which was awesome for so many reasons IMO - was that he kept the relationship pretty chill and didn't get too attached unless you initiated a certain thing (non-spoiler explanation). And as a side note... I don't believe Bull limited his choices to just the girls. Love the one you're with! 

 

Le sigh. Wishing Cullen's romance arc hadn't been so.... easy? Uncomplicated? Me have trouble with words before coffee. 

[riverbanks]

The trouble is the chapel scene is the first one to trigger when you talk to Cullen after the temple so, even if you break up with Solas first you cant initiate a romance with Cullen because it takes you straight into that scene. Sucks

 

Ah, this I hadn't figured, but you're right. So that's the chess scene, the lake, the ball and the chapel, more than half of his romance. You get what... the kiss, the sex scene and maybe the flirts during Perseverance? Definitely not worth it.

 

Seeing that, I'm glad Sera and Blackwall at least give me convenient break-up points early on in the story that I can date around a bit and then go for Cullen, and still not miss any of his romance content. Solas' romance seems like Sebastian's in that aspect, you either commit for the whole game or don't even bother. (well Seb's romance conditions could be fixed with the console, but the theory of it was that )

[R2s Muse]

Ah, this I hadn't figured, but you're right. So that's the chess scene, the lake, the ball and the chapel, more than half of his romance. You get what... the kiss, the sex scene and maybe the flirts during Perseverance? Definitely not worth it.

 

Seeing that, I'm glad Sera and Blackwall at least give me convenient break-up points early on in the story that I can date around a bit and then go for Cullen, and still not miss any of his romance content. Solas' romance seems like Sebastian's in that aspect, you either commit for the whole game or don't even bother. (well Seb's romance conditions could be fixed with the console, but the theory of it was that )

Ironically, that just limits Cullen to about the same amount of romance content as Solas. Sigh. Solas, like Seb, was definitely ridiculously underwritten. You don't even lock in your romance until the last scene with him. And then it's too late.

 

Excuse me while I go cry in my coffee again. 

[R2s Muse]

Le sigh. Wishing Cullen's romance arc hadn't been so.... easy? Uncomplicated? Me have trouble with words before coffee. 

Agree. Sad, tired fistbump. 

[Tishina]

Ah, this I hadn't figured, but you're right. So that's the chess scene, the lake, the ball and the chapel, more than half of his romance. You get what... the kiss, the sex scene and maybe the flirts during Perseverance? Definitely not worth it.

 

Seeing that, I'm glad Sera and Blackwall at least give me convenient break-up points early on in the story that I can date around a bit and then go for Cullen, and still not miss any of his romance content. Solas' romance seems like Sebastian's in that aspect, you either commit for the whole game or don't even bother. (well Seb's romance conditions could be fixed with the console, but the theory of it was that )

The lake scene still triggers. (using spoilers since we seem to have someone who hasn't finished the game...

Spoiler

That's definitely Derzka my Solasmancer (and it's pre Black-Emporium since she still has the not-black black hair.)

Edit: And you still get the chess scene and the chapel, you just get rebuffed if you flirt in the chess scene. I thought the chapel scene was still very nice without the romantic content, but yeah, I'd hate to lose that one in an actual romance. You still get quite a bit of the content (you can take all of the flirts almost) but it's cramming the actual romance into a very short space of time that I would find unappealing.

[riverbanks]

Ironically, that just limits Cullen to about the same amount of romance content as Solas. Sigh. Solas, like Seb, was definitely ridiculously underwritten. You don't even lock in your romance until the last scene with him. And then it's too late.

 

What's ironic, or... curious, at least, is that Cullen's romance, while being one of the extension romances like Solas, turned out to be the most well paced romance in the game. A lot of the other romances put all the good stuff right up front and then leave you with nothing to do for the rest of the game. Cullen's is one of the few that can't be completed within minutes and then fizzles out to nothing much - it progresses with the main quest, giving you new cutscenes after each MQ chapter that you can only unlock by going further into the story, even at the point where you're one fight away from completing the game. For a last minute feature, he really came out as the dark horse romance of this game.

[R2s Muse]

 

That's definitely Derzka my Solasmancer (and it's pre Black-Emporium since she still has the not-black black hair.)

Edit: And you still get the chess scene and the chapel, you just get rebuffed if you flirt in the chess scene. I thought the chapel scene was still very nice without the romantic content, but yeah, I'd hate to lose that one in an actual romance. You still get quite a bit of the content (you can take all of the flirts almost) but it's cramming the actual romance into a very short space of time that I would find unappealing.

You miss any romance content that it's in the core quests, tho, Chapel, chess, ball, Samson quest, since those still have to happen before Temple of Mythal. That's quite a chunk. 

[R2s Muse]

What's ironic, or... curious, at least, is that Cullen's romance, while being one of the extension romances like Solas, turned out to be the most well paced romance in the game. A lot of the other romances put all the good stuff right up front and then leave you with nothing to do for the rest of the game. Cullen's is one of the few that can't be completed within minutes and then fizzles out to nothing much - it progresses with the main quest, giving you new cutscenes after each MQ chapter that you can only unlock by going further into the story, even at the point where you're one fight away from completing the game. For a last minute feature, he really came out as the dark horse romance of this game.

I know. I was just thinking about this myself. I'd argue that Cullen's and Solas's are amongst the most popular romances, and they were both the last minute ones.

 

It is then even more unexpected that Cullen's seems to be the most fully written, given its last minute addition. That's rather surprising, esp since Solas's is the opposite. I wonder if, with Cullen, he benefited from lessons learned from the other romances at the point at which his romance was added?? I mean, they'd been working on the game for a quite a while as of Fall 2013. 

[riverbanks]

Le sigh. Wishing Cullen's romance arc hadn't been so.... easy? Uncomplicated? Me have trouble with words before coffee. 

 

Try disagreeing more with him. I feel like my romance wasn't easy at all, with all the times they were arguing about everything.

 

No, I get you - there wasn't a central conflict to the romance, unless you told him to take the lyrium, and even then the "conflict" lasts only for one cutscene and then it's gone. But it doesn't have to be all roses, either! Things can get quite huffy if your IQ's beliefs don't align exactly with Cullen's. It can get pretty complicated to keep going when you take one step forward and one step back with him - makes for good dramatic narrative and awesome make-up sex, at least.

[Tishina]

I know. I was just thinking about this myself. I'd argue that Cullen's and Solas's are amongst the most popular romances, and they were both the last minute ones.

 

It is then even more unexpected that Cullen's seems to be the most fully written, given its last minute addition. That's rather surprising, esp since Solas's is the opposite. I wonder if, with Cullen, he benefited from lessons learned from the other romances at the point at which his romance was added?? I mean, they'd been working on the game for a quite a while as of Fall 2013. 

That would make some sense, though I actually think some of the other romances are fairly well fleshed out and written too (Cassandra's particularly comes to mind.) Cullen's has the advantage of lots of content and fairly broad romantic appeal, while others target a fairly narrow group of people and a couple aren't a lot more fleshed out in actual cutscene content than Solas's. But I think most of us feel they didn't get a very good balance between the overall length of the game and story content...

[Vanalia]

No I didn't finish the game yet, I'm just before the Temple of Mythal.

I won't complain if Cullen's romance can seem easy. As I said before I love sweet romances without drama, I mean, not ALL romances should be sad or angsty. We need romantic/cute romances sometimes. Poor Cullen already suffered too much, he needs some peace and love

I saw break-ups scenes on YouTube before the sex scene but not the one after the first kiss, OMG, breaking up just after that wonderful kiss? Who is cruel enough to do that? What does he say then? o_o

[thats1evildude]

Well, there is the lyrium issue. That's a fairly significant complication.

[MaethorialBelle]

No I didn't finish the game yet, I'm just before the Temple of Mythal.

I won't complain if Cullen's romance can seem easy. As I said before I love sweet romances without drama, I mean, not ALL romances should be sad or angsty. We need romantic/cute romances sometimes. Poor Cullen already suffered too much, he needs some peace and love

I saw break-ups scenes on YouTube before the sex scene but not the one after the first kiss, OMG, breaking up just after that wonderful kiss? Who is cruel enough to do that? What does he say then? o_o

 

You break up before the kiss, though it's more a case of stopping things before they get too far than it is a break up. The inquisitor says how she doesn't want to complicate things and that it's better they remain friends. Cullen just replies with "I suppose it is", but oh man, they way he says it hurts my little soul. He waits until the inquisitor has walked away and then says it to himself as he looks over the ramparts

[Vanalia]

See, there can be sad moments in his romance: when you break up with him

[thats1evildude]

I know they have to leave that option in there for the sake of player agency, but YOU SURE ARE SENDING SOME MIXED MESSAGES, INQUISITOR!

 

[Ariella]

I get the meta logic behind it, I just still don't think it's in-character for Cullen. The way he dehumanizes people whose shoes he has been in and reduces the various experiences of different people who are not himself to a cheap either/or comparison against his own privileged point of view goes against everything else that his character signals to stand for. I've ranted about how gross I think Cullen's characterization is in Before The Dawn enough for a lifetime I think, but the short of it is: I get it - I just don't think that person is Cullen at all. It's a personal issue with this quest that I'm probably not ever getting over.

I understand. Trust me, there have been characters where I've felt the same... (glares in the vague direction of DC comics).

On a completely different note, I've never been able to find a conversation dealing with Cullen's belief or lack thereof in the Herald. Does he believe the IQ was sent by the Maker or not. I mean his original reaction of "Quite the title..." makes me wonder how much he actually buys and how much he sees that the Herald is useful from a propaganda standpoint.