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[Hellion Rex]

The dwarf has no comment on the Deep Roads??? Huh.

It's just him complaining about the Deep Roads.

[Hellion Rex]

Do the consoles get more?? I realize I'm not even sure how that works. Is it just a wheel, where you toggle through them all or something?

No, we only get 8 slots as well.

[Rascoth]

I haven't gone into the behaviors yet, but I may need to. Thanks for the suggestion. I took revival out of his eight slots since he used to do a good job of reviving on his own, but now I feel like I have to make him do it manually, which means one less spell slot. 

 

TBH, I'm not really keen on having to be so strategic, so looks like I'm in for a trudge. The first big darkspawn battle everyone but me died and I was almost out of healing pots, on casual. LOL Granted, I wasn't being very careful, but, ugh. It's also been about six months since I played regularly, so I'm rusty.

O...oh. That may be a problem. There are harder fights as you go deeper, with more annoying powerful enemies.

 

It's just him complaining about the Deep Roads.

It's not like anyone else seem to have more comments...

[Hellion Rex]

It's not like anyone else seem to have more comments...

Cole, Bull, and Cassandra talked a lot for me, so I'm not sure where you're going with this.

[Rascoth]

Cole, Bull, and Cassandra talked a lot for me, so I'm not sure where you're going with this.

Just pointing out, that not your regular companions, but new characters are the ones doing the most talking, so it doesn't really matter who you have with you.

[R2s Muse]

O...oh. That may be a problem. There are harder fights as you go deeper, with more annoying powerful enemies.

*snort* Yeah, I think I'm screwed. LOL 

 

The lore can't be *that* great...

[Hellion Rex]

*snort* Yeah, I think I'm screwed. LOL

The lore can't be *that* great...

Ah, but it is!!! Just keep it up! Also, I would highly highly recommend having Solas have Dispel on for one specific fight.

[Rascoth]

*snort* Yeah, I think I'm screwed. LOL 

 

The lore can't be *that* great...

It is. And those views as you progress 

 

Ah, but it is!!! Just keep it up! Also, I would highly highly recommend having Solas have Dispel on for one specific fight.

Oh! This. This. This. That one fight would be endless if not for Dispel.

Though I'm speaking about nightmare difficulty.

 

Hmnmn...

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I thought boss fight would be harder. But still loved it! All DLC.

[Hellion Rex]

Just pointing out, that not your regular companions, but new characters are the ones doing the most talking, so it doesn't really matter who you have with you.

Yes, the two new dwarves say the most, but my point was that we were talking about the actual companions specifically, not the two newbies. R2 was dropping Varric for another companion, and I was affirming her decision because Varric didn't have anything really insightful to say during the DLC.

[R2s Muse]

Ah, but it is!!! Just keep it up! Also, I would highly highly recommend having Solas have Dispel on for one specific fight.

Ah, don't say that!    Bah. Head? Meet wall. Again. And again. And again. And again... 

 

Guess I need to learn how to play the damn game again. LOL And try to remember how tac cam works. Pfft.

[Hellion Rex]

It is. And those views as you progress 

 

Oh! This. This. This. That one fight would be endless if not for Dispel.

Though I'm speaking about nightmare difficulty.

 

Hmnmn...

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I thought boss fight would be harder. But still loved it! All DLC.

FYI, I went through without having Dispel on, and that damn fight took nearly half an hour.

[Rascoth]

Yes, the two new dwarves say the most, but my point was that we were talking about the actual companions specifically, not the two newbies. R2 was dropping Varric for another companion, and I was affirming her decision because Varric didn't have anything really insightful to say during the DLC.

Well, I was running Cass, Varric and Dorian. Varric was the one doing the most talking... But you're right, nothing that you would really miss.

That made me rethink taking him in my next pt... I think I'll switch him to Cole.

 

Ah, don't say that!    Bah. Head? Meet wall. Again. And again. And again. And again... 

 

Guess I need to learn how to play the damn game again. LOL And try to remember how tac cam works. Pfft.

Ah, poor wall I mean head.

 

I'm sure you'll quicky get used to fights in Deep Roads

 

FYI, I went through without having Dispel on, and that damn fight took nearly half an hour.

Then I'm more than happy I had Dispel.

[Tishina]

Do the consoles get more?? I realize I'm not even sure how that works. Is it just a wheel, where you toggle through them all or something?

Sorry, I just meant I'm assuming they limited PC players to 8 slots because console players only have 8, in some weird idea of making everyone play with the same limits. Which may have been what they had to do to make it possible to play it on the PC using a controller, but since I'm not, I find it extremely annoying that it isn't an option to turn on more abilities or something (being able to change abilities in slots during a fight, even, it isn't as if you reload spells and weapons shots fresh every morning in your brain and can only remember 8 at a time... )

 

It's just him complaining about the Deep Roads.

From what I can tell, Iron Bull, Dorian, and Cole all have more specific commentary, even if your IQ is a dwarf. Varric hates the Deep Roads and caves and doesn't care about traditional underground dwarven culture, so I suppose it makes sense he's not interested in anything except getting his a** back to the surface alive.

[Hellion Rex]

Sorry, I just meant I'm assuming they limited PC players to 8 slots because console players only have 8, in some weird idea of making everyone play with the same limits. Which may have been what they had to do to make it possible to play it on the PC using a controller, but since I'm not, I find it extremely annoying that it isn't an option to turn on more abilities or something (being able to change abilities in slots during a fight, even, it isn't as if you reload spells and weapons shots fresh every morning in your brain and can only remember 8 at a time... )

 

From what I can tell, Iron Bull, Dorian, and Cole all have more specific commentary, even if your IQ is a dwarf. Varric hates the Deep Roads and caves and doesn't care about traditional underground dwarven culture, so I suppose it makes sense he's not interested in anything except getting his a** back to the surface alive.

I haven't seen Dorian yet, but Cole definitely had the most interesting commentary for me.

[Hellion Rex]

The more I think on it, the more I realize the massive implications that the lore in this DLC has, particularly for the dwarves.

[Tishina]

The more I think on it, the more I realize the massive implications that the lore in this DLC has, particularly for the dwarves.

No kidding! There's a reason dwarfdom is celebrating. Loudly. And probably drunkenly . But the implications go well beyond dwarves-only (and now I'm imagining all sorts of conversations with Cullen and Cass and Leliana...)

 

I'm considering replacing Solas for Dorian and Varric in favor of Cass on my first PT since neither seems to have that much to say of interest. How much do you need a rogue?

[R2s Muse]

Sorry, I just meant I'm assuming they limited PC players to 8 slots because console players only have 8, in some weird idea of making everyone play with the same limits. Which may have been what they had to do to make it possible to play it on the PC using a controller, but since I'm not, I find it extremely annoying that it isn't an option to turn on more abilities or something (being able to change abilities in slots during a fight, even, it isn't as if you reload spells and weapons shots fresh every morning in your brain and can only remember 8 at a time... )

Ah, I see. Gotcha. Yeah, I also don't mind having extra toolbars running all around my screen if it gives me easy access. I feel like an old school DnD mage with only my two spells I currently have memorized. LOL

[Rascoth]

I haven't seen Dorian yet, but Cole definitely had the most interesting commentary for me.

Dorian has some nice comments. Not many, but still nice.

 

No kidding! There's a reason dwarfdom is celebrating. Loudly. And probably drunkenly . But the implications go well beyond dwarves-only (and now I'm imagining all sorts of conversations with Cullen and Cass and Leliana...)

 

I'm considering replacing Solas for Dorian and Varric in favor of Cass on my first PT since neither seems to have that much to say of interest. How much do you need a rogue?

I'm not surprised. I'm closet dwarf fan and I'm vibrating with excitement!

...and with that closet part cease to exist.

 

I would take Dorian. 

There's no need for rogue class (aka doors).

 

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[skylark]

I haven't played either DLC yet but would you guys say that Descent is worth it? At least for all the codex and lore?

[Hellion Rex]

No kidding! There's a reason dwarfdom is celebrating. Loudly. And probably drunkenly . But the implications go well beyond dwarves-only (and now I'm imagining all sorts of conversations with Cullen and Cass and Leliana...)

 

I'm considering replacing Solas for Dorian and Varric in favor of Cass on my first PT since neither seems to have that much to say of interest. How much do you need a rogue?

I brought Cole cause his DPS is massive with the Assassin skill tree. He absolutely murders everything. And yeah, Cass has a few good lines.

[Hellion Rex]

I haven't played either DLC yet but would you guys say that Descent is worth it? At least for all the codex and lore?

Yup. Worth it.

[Tishina]

I brought Cole cause his DPS is massive with the Assassin skill tree. He absolutely murders everything. And yeah, Cass has a few good lines.

Unfortunately for me, I've been slowly working through different combinations of party members with my IQs, and I've just begun taking Cole out as a regular with Zhenya (he takes a lot more damage than anyone else and I'm not sure what to do about it...) Somehow from the sound of the combat this DLC isn't the place to work out that learning curve . And I have yet to take IB out at all with a party, not because I don't like him as a companion (I really wish I could hear his banter) but because he's a 2-hander and a reaver, while I'm a S&S type at heart and have never really liked the berserker/reaver spec. So he's another one I'm going to have to gear and learn how to work with, sigh...

[Ariella]

*snort* Yeah, I think I'm screwed. LOL

The lore can't be *that* great...

I'm one of those people who endure combat fot the sake of story, so I'm gonna say, yuph. Worth it. Not just lore, but your two new companions rock (pardon the pun). Valta and Renn's relationship is wonderful. I love them both. I've only got partly down, and then hopped back up because I needed a few levels.

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But higher level Bianca arm schematics alone are worth the trek

Apology to any who caught before the edit. My nook hates me today.

[riverbanks]

I'm five hours in. Nightmare Knigh Enchanter with lvl27 party. Hell I'm close to ending! I even have to go back because

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damn gears!

 

^ that may be why, Knight-Enchanters are practically like playing in godmode. I wouldn't count KE playthroughs as the typical, that's probably what's skewing the average completion time.

 

In any case, I just finished it with my Artificer archer at level 26 on Nightmare with around 12 hours, accounting for all side quests, collections and expeditions. I know I'm a hella slow player though (my DA2 playthroughs go over 100+ hours on a game that shouldn't take more than 50/70, for instance) so I'm also an outlier; I'd guess the average is around 7-8 hours for general players, give some if on Nightmare, take some if playing KE.

 

Now to go back all these pages on the thread and look at all the spoilered discussion I was avoiding before!

[riverbanks]

Right, so went back and since no one's posted this yet, I'll go.

 

Commander Sassypants is back in town!

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He's starting to sound like a dad to these kids.   

 

And also, an idle thought about the expeditions table...

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Since the whole thing with every Deep Roads quest is that you enter and don't leave until you're done and that can go for weeks because they're huge, and you're hearing from your advisors at the expeditions table all the time about urgent matters that wouldn't make any sense to be writing to and from Skyhold... reasonable to think that the advisors went down with you (+ the whole team and all these soldiers Cullen keeps sending on tasks) at least until the Legion's camp, right? 

 

I just really like the idea of Cullen and Quizzy sharing a bedroll in the Deep Roads... the stench of death and all the darkspawn everywhere are so romantic.