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I'm glad it's Vivienne who became Divine in my story, then, because I never used her in battle. 

 

Oh, and I realize they made that teaser with a lady Inquisitor, instead of a male Inquisitor. Do you think it is because there are more women playing to that game, or are there two versions of the teaser?

 

I'm glad they didn't do like "Revan", saying that only the male one is canon (or like Shepard, only showing male Shepard everywhere).



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I'm glad it's Vivienne who became Divine in my story, then, because I never used her in battle.

Oh, and I realize they made that teaser with a lady Inquisitor, instead of a male Inquisitor. Do you think it is because there are more women playing to that game, or are there two versions of the teaser?

Neither. It's Bioware. The only reasoning thing they probably thought about when using the female was "why not?". They don't need some super special reason to use it.
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It could have been a marketing thing, you know, "hey female gamers, we know you are here!"



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Also, Blackwall already kicked the bucket in the Deep Roads in my world. :P

 

Let's not be talking about killing Blackwall off on or offscreen, yeah~ I'm doing my part in not openly hating on the egg while everyone's celebrating his return, so let's all be nice and keep each other's faves safe from player hostilities. ;)


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Oh, and I realize they made that teaser with a lady Inquisitor, instead of a male Inquisitor. Do you think it is because there are more women playing to that game, or are there two versions of the teaser?

 

There is a reeeaaaally long thread under the Feedback forum where female players have been asking BioWare for years now to do better with their trailers, with regard to female playable character representation. Devs have stopped by and commented several times, they've acknowledged that their marketing has been really faulty about that for previous games, and have promised to try harder. Inquisition's had two trailers mainly featuring a female hero by now, and two more narrated by the female voice, so it's good to see that they were really listening.

 

A very valid point people have made in that thread is that, by the old trailers alone, you couldn't even tell BW games could be played with a female character at all. I've heard it myself, several times, women saying they hadn't played Dragon Age or Mass Effect because they didn't wanna play a male hero. It's crazy having to explain that you can, you absolutely can play all these games with female heroes if you want, even if the trailers keep showing just the same generic white male with a scruffy voice. This doesn't happen with Inquisition now, you look at the trailers and you can see your choices upfront - different genders for the hero, different races, different looks (we had at least one black male and one black female heroes featured by now, which is also never seen in game trailers)... they must've realized at this point that the more you can see the kind of hero you want to play right there in a trailer, the more likely you are to give that game a shot.


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I just realized that in Morrigan's ending monologue- it doesn't show  or mention Kieran does it? She only says that she left right? I guess you could write it off simply that it wasn't relevant to the story she was telling but.... couldn't she just have said, "we" or even, "my son and I?" maybe she left Kieran there to do a mission on her own?



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Hmm, if that was the Ariqun, is the Arishok part of this attack or not? If so, is Sten still Arishok?

 

And another thought... what if the only companions available are those who are not now Divine and had high enough approval to want to stay around after Cory was defeated, not just those you completely honked off (plus excluding Solas, and anyone not recruited or who left for one reason or another?) That could make playing an assquisitor really bite you in the, um, ass, lol.

 

Yeah, I'm a bit worried about whether a Divine Cass or Vivienne would be available. Actually, I think I'd be short at least one team member in every squad (depending on whether a warden Blackwall was available.) Reska could be short two - Blackwall and Vivienne since she's making the choices that'll probably result in Divine Vivienne...

 

I just realized that in Morrigan's ending monologue- it doesn't show  or mention Kieran does it? She only says that she left right? I guess you could write it off simply that it wasn't relevant to the story she was telling but.... couldn't she just have said, "we" or even, "my son and I?" maybe she left Kieran there to do a mission on her own?

But he's shown in the artwork leaving with her, isn't he? Or I seem to remember seeing him.



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Let's not be talking about killing Blackwall off on or offscreen, yeah~ I'm doing my part in not openly hating on the egg while everyone's celebrating his return, so let's all be nice and keep each other's faves safe from player hostilities. ;)

Sorry. :)

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I just realized that in Morrigan's ending monologue- it doesn't show  or mention Kieran does it? She only says that she left right? I guess you could write it off simply that it wasn't relevant to the story she was telling but.... couldn't she just have said, "we" or even, "my son and I?" maybe she left Kieran there to do a mission on her own?

Actually there are supposed to be two different images during her epilogue - one her leaving by herself and one with Kieran.

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I hope we keep not seeing her tbh. She left at the end of the game, her role with the Inquisition was played out, there's nothing left for her to do here. I'd rather at least take a break from her for now until she inevitably shows up again in future games.

 

Anyway, I mentioned the Divine thing on tumblr earlier but I'm still stuck wondering how that will play out, specially now that we've confirmed it's Vivienne in that scene. I'm hoping to see Cassandra in black armored robes instead of the standard white silks, at least. ;)  It does make you wonder, though, which side the Divine will fall on. Will she agree with the clerics and chew you up (even though she was part of what made the Inquisition so powerful and her being on the throne at all is a direct reflection of your interfence), will she stand for you and defend you against your critics...?

 

And I really need to know if Divine Cassandra is locked out of my party!! If I lose her, I'm gonna have to rebuild my whole combat team dynamic, just Blackwall tanking alone against a whole qunari invasion is not gonna cut it.

 

Speaking of Blackwall, I hope we get at least a throwaway reference to him finally joining the Wardens and just dropping by to help you one last time or something, if that's how you judged him. It's been two years, his Joining is way overdue by now. :P

I'm kinda hopeful since Vivienne was featured in the background throughout the trailer. I need to be. No way I'm going through this DLC without my favourite companion! Not to mention without her, I'll be left with no mages, (unless Solas is forced back into my roster).

 

Actually, without Solas and Vivienne, my Elidri would only have 4 companions. 3 if IB betrays her. :lol: And then the party would be 3/4 rogue! Darn, looks like I might have to keep Blackwall around. 

 

I'm thinking that the Qunari woman in the beginning either might be the Ariqun, or one of her direct subordinates. She's surely more than just some Ben Hassrath.

I doubt she'll be the Ariqun. As the spiritual leader, I'm sure she'll be needed more in Par Vollen. Though, then again, the Qunari are known for not protecting what non-Qunari would perceive as high ranking in the same way as they would. (Still think she'll just be Ben-Hassrath though)



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Actually there are supposed to be two different images during her epilogue - one her leaving by herself and one with Kieran.

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Oh... Are they shown together one after the other? I don't remember seeing the one with Kieran....



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Sorry. :)

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No, really? :rolleyes: :P


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Oh... Are they shown together one after the other? I don't remember seeing the one with Kieran....

No, the first one is shown if Morrigan doesn't have Kieran in your world state. The second one should appear if she has Kieran... But I had playthroughs where she had Kieran and this slider didn't appear  <_<



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Does anyone have the link for the twitch stream handy? I can't find it, sigh.



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Now I'm wondering if they'll give some sort of explanation as to what went down in those 2 years. I can see reasons why they would and wouldn't but I'm not sure which I'd prefer. If they don't give an explanation, it leaves room for headcanon but at the same time, there would be no reason as to why everyone's hating on you and the inquisition. Then if they do give an explanation, it would provide setup for the DLC plot but they sacrifice the player's uh... like how they choose to operate the inquisition, decisions they've made etc. Does that make sense? Plus it would slash the potential for future DLC taking place within that timeframe.

 

Maybe they'll give some kind of broad statement, like maybe the operation's gotten too big and the Inquisitor can't control it anymore? So he/she actually isn't directly responsible for whatever happens to make Thedas hate them? I find myself kind of hoping for the whole thing to spin out of control but.... I like my happy endings, and I don't want to see anyone die/ leave on bad terms. >.>



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Does anyone have the link for the twitch stream handy? I can't find it, sigh.

Here you go:

http://www.twitch.tv/PAX


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#134292
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Is this it? http://www.twitch.tv/PAX

 

whoops too slow.

 

If anyone's watching live can someone post like any important info? I have to go eat dinner...



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No, the first one is shown if Morrigan doesn't have Kieran in your world state. The second one should appear if she has Kieran... But I had playthroughs where she had Kieran and this slider didn't appear  <_<

 

Yeah, Morrigan's slide is buggy and it can for some reason show only her, even if Kieran is alive. My one playthrough where I had Kieran in-game to see the alternate scene, Morrigan still showed up alone in the epilogue slide.



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Yeah, Morrigan's slide is buggy and it can for some reason show only her, even if Kieran is alive. My one playthrough where I had Kieran in-game to see the alternate scene, Morrigan still showed up alone in the epilogue slide.

I hadn't heard that. He showed up with Morrigan in mine...



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And another thought... what if the only companions available are those who are not now Divine and had high enough approval to want to stay around after Cory was defeated, not just those you completely honked off (plus excluding Solas, and anyone not recruited or who left for one reason or another?) That could make playing an assquisitor really bite you in the, um, ass, lol.

 

Yeah, I'm a bit worried about whether a Divine Cass or Vivienne would be available. Actually, I think I'd be short at least one team member in every squad (depending on whether a warden Blackwall was available.) Reska could be short two - Blackwall and Vivienne since she's making the choices that'll probably result in Divine Vivienne...

 

I had maxed out approval with everyone but the egg who bugged off and Varric who really should've bugged back off to Kirkwall at this point anyway, so if it's approval-based, I'm good.

 

But oh my god if a Warden'd Blackwall is not available either.... I'm dead. I lose Cassandra, I lose Blackwall, I have no tanks left. I'll have to respec IB into S/S, have to give Cole all new maximized Guard-building gear, probably respec Sera into daggers and do the same as for Cole... I don't know, probably have to give Guard-building gear even to my mages, I don't know. No Cass. No Bear. I'm dead. :pinched:



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I had maxed out approval with everyone but the egg who bugged off and Varric who really should've bugged back off to Kirkwall at this point anyway, so if it's approval-based, I'm good.

 

But oh my god if a Warden'd Blackwall is not available either.... I'm dead. I lose Cassandra, I lose Blackwall, I have no tanks left. I'll have to respec IB into S/S, have to give Cole all new maximized Guard-building gear, probably respec Sera into daggers and do the same as for Cole... I don't know, probably have to give Guard-building gear even to my mages, I don't know. No Cass. No Bear. I'm dead. :pinched:

Yeah, especially since Viv is my secondary tank in the Blackwall romance PT. Reska's pretty blasted squishy and Dorian's not any better so I like the double protection.

 

About the stream - Translating Sera into other languages must have been a real challenge. I don't understand about 2/3 of her slang myself...

 

Edit: Laidlaw referred to them as pajamas :lol: :P


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Now I'm wondering if they'll give some sort of explanation as to what went down in those 2 years. I can see reasons why they would and wouldn't but I'm not sure which I'd prefer. If they don't give an explanation, it leaves room for headcanon but at the same time, there would be no reason as to why everyone's hating on you and the inquisition. Then if they do give an explanation, it would provide setup for the DLC plot but they sacrifice the player's uh... like how they choose to operate the inquisition, decisions they've made etc. Does that make sense? Plus it would slash the potential for future DLC taking place within that timeframe.

 

Maybe they'll give some kind of broad statement, like maybe the operation's gotten too big and the Inquisitor can't control it anymore? So he/she actually isn't directly responsible for whatever happens to make Thedas hate them? I find myself kind of hoping for the whole thing to spin out of control but.... I like my happy endings, and I don't want to see anyone die/ leave on bad terms. >.>

 

I wouldn't worry about sad/bad endings for Inquisition, honestly. They're in fandom's good graces now, but in the larger picture BioWare is still treading glass wrt to their game endings after Mass Effect, and I'm really really skeptical that they want to repeat that mess.

 

To be honest I think that has actually hurt Inquisition more than helped it (the lack of serious consequences, the failure-proof storytelling, the stakes being null because you can't lose, no one leaves and no one dies and you always win, how every single ending you can possibly get is ultimately a positive one or vague enough to be turned around, how the worst thing that can happen to you in this game is being dumped by your boyfriend/girlfriend or dumping them yourself but otherwise there is just no way to lose, etc), but that's more or less the scenario we're still in - BioWare is being very deliberate and careful with keeping the Inquisition experience a positive one in everyone's minds, a "turnaround" point for them after two controversial releases, that sort of thing. I'm really doubting they'll want to risk that with an unavoidable miserable ending that sends everyone off their rockets again.

 

I'm interested too in how they're going to address these two years now, though, specially on the smaller scale level of your companions. Cole can afford to stay around indefinitely, he has nowhere else to go; Sera and Dorian and Bull can stay too, they don't have immediate commitments and may even find it more convenient to stay around the Inquisition and use their resources; Blackwall depends on whether you told him to Warden up or stick around. But people like Vivienne and Varric have things to do and places to be, they can't just tag along forever (Viv in my world state, for instance, becomes Grand Enchanter under Divine Cassandra, so they should both have left by now). I'm curious if we'll get at least a little line from each of them explaining why they're back/why they haven't left yet. Maybe in that part where Inky says "I need you - who's with me?"



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Yeah, especially since Viv is my secondary tank in the Blackwall romance PT. Reska's pretty blasted squishy and Dorian's not any better so I like the double protection.

 

About the stream - Translating Sera into other languages must have been a real challenge. I don't understand about 2/3 of her slang myself...

TBH, I still don't understand the Sera concept art arm motion, even after Matt Rhodes explanation. LOL I always thought it was supposed to be dirty.  :blink:



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...and it wouldn't be a DA panel with a jab at the Cullen fans... 



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Let's not be talking about killing Blackwall off on or offscreen, yeah~ I'm doing my part in not openly hating on the egg while everyone's celebrating his return, so let's all be nice and keep each other's faves safe from player hostilities. ;)

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