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[Hellion Rex]

I AM SO ANGRY. THEY NERFED KNIGHT ENCHANTERS INTO THE DAMN GROUND.

[Hellion Rex]

Also, FYI, apparently spoilers can now be datamined. I have not seen anything yet drop in the forums, but just be careful over the next few days.

[SgtSteel91]

Incidentally, this is also a misquote. "Mages can't be treated like people. They aren't like you or me. They are weapons They have the power to light a city on fire in a fit of pique."

 

Thing is... he also basically has a point. Nevertheless, this isn't the place to start a mage vs. templar debate. We're open to discussing the character pros and cons, and Cullen has both. But let's have a reasoned discussion without flinging hyperbolic and unfounded accusations. 

 

I think they should have made it more explicit if Cullen really changed his ways because there are scenes that either show him "relapsing" without an apology at best or at worst show him to be a hypocrite who has to be subtle with his anti-Mage opinions because he isn't in a position of power like when he was a Templar.

 

Things like when you ally with the Mages, an oppressed minority hated by the world and hunted by people who had divine right over their lives and in their desperation to survive were tricked into signing themselves off into indentured servitude, Cullen gets seriously pissed off and acts like his DA2 self ("This isn't a matter for debate. There will be Abominations among them." "They're not monsters they're people, and deserve the same respect as anyone else." "This is not about respect."). Or when he says things like "Meredith's methods were harsh but they kept people safe" or  "and she wasn't wrong about the Blood Mages" while not reflecting that her methods never kept Mages safe or that many of the Blood Mages were the result or her harsh methods.

 

And, imo, he doesn't focus enough on his own failures. Sure he says the way he speaks of Mages wasunworthy of him but he doesn't go into the fact that he was Second in Command of the Kirkwall Templars and did nothing about the corruption or rampant abuses of Mages among the Templars; even going so far as to endorse the "Tranquil Solution" when the matter is brought up to him and advise Meredith to be even harsher when dealing with the Mage Underground in DA2 (in this codex)

[Ariella]

I AM SO ANGRY. THEY NERFED KNIGHT ENCHANTERS INTO THE DAMN GROUND.

What did they do?

[Hellion Rex]

What did they do?

Significantly nerfed the Spirit Blade in the damage it can produce.

[R2s Muse]

I think I'm just going to linger here till Tuesday. With the week that I've had, I don't need to see Mike and co teasing on twitter, then wacky rampant speculation

Who was the artist whl had Cullen in Human Alliance dress blues? I need a copy of that.

And on the topic of lyrium addiction. Got the perfect song.

Linken Park, Breaking the Habit.

I think both Lily Rutherford and Greendelle have done a masseffect!Cullen. 

[Lynas]

 

User

I saw Cullen was replaced by Harding in the Trespasser trailer. Does something happen to him?! DX

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Spoilers

 

User

Don't go all River Song on me! Eeeeevviiiilll

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Spoi...

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

...lers.

 

 

I'm worried now... 

[Ariella]

 

 

 

 

I'm worried now... 

 

 

This is Mike being Mike... Bioware trolling at its finest.

[R2s Muse]

 

 

 

 

I'm worried now... 

 

Oooh, interesting! Hmmm. Maybe he gets his own plot!!! wooot!  

 

OR, maybe that's one of our motivations for tracking down the Qunari lady... only to be told that our Prince Cullen is in another castle...  

[Ariella]

Significantly nerfed the Spirit Blade in the damage it can produce.

GAH!!!

 

 

I think both Lily Rutherford and Greendelle have done a masseffect!Cullen. 

 

I'll have to take another look. Dress Uniform looks good on him, except that red abomination.

[jtav]

Off topic question: is the patch live for PC? I'm only seeing a 2 GB update.

[Rascoth]

Off topic question: is the patch live for PC? I'm only seeing a 2 GB update.

Yes, it is.

[Ariella]

Oooh, interesting! Hmmm. Maybe he gets his own plot!!! wooot!  

 

OR, maybe that's one of our motivations for tracking down the Qunari lady... only to be told that our Prince Cullen is in another castle...

 

Okay, just rewatched the blasted thing. It's Cass, Leliana and Harding in the room. I'm thinking Harding is reporting in, and neither Josephine or Cullen are there because it's a spy matter. It's during the whole "Why won't anything in this "bleeping" world stay fixed"

[riverbanks]

Oooh, interesting! Hmmm. Maybe he gets his own plot!!! wooot!  

 

OR, maybe that's one of our motivations for tracking down the Qunari lady... only to be told that our Prince Cullen is in another castle...

 

Oooooh, I like Cullen In Distress! Let's go save our poor helpless prince from the evil tower!

[Ariella]

Oooooh, I like Cullen In Distress! Let's go save our poor helpless prince from the evil tower!

 

As long as he's not locked in carbonite and has an evil bounty hunter after him. I'm fine. Oh that and no big worm. High Dragons are bad enough.

[R2s Muse]

Oooooh, I like Cullen In Distress! Let's go save our poor helpless prince from the evil tower!

 

 

[R2s Muse]

GAH!!!

 

 

 

I'll have to take another look. Dress Uniform looks good on him, except that red abomination.

http://greendelle.tu...d-i-needed-this

 

http://lilyrutherfor...-little-bonus-3

 

Lily Rutherford has some others as well.

[Ariella]

http://greendelle.tu...d-i-needed-this

 

http://lilyrutherfor...-little-bonus-3

 

Lily Rutherford has some others as well.

 

Thanks R2,

 

I needed that. Time to go back to writing NSFW stuff... I'm feeling rusty.

[Akaneryuu]

Oooooh, I like Cullen In Distress! Let's go save our poor helpless prince from the evil tower!

Oh, cullen, cullen Let down your hair. * inquisitor tries clumsy to climb up the tower falls and gets thrown into the fade*  

[Ariella]

Oh, cullen, cullen Let down your hair. * inquisitor tries clumsy to climb up the tower falls and gets thrown into the fade*  

 

This is why you play a rogue. Forget hair, just scale the damned wall with the usual toys.

[R2s Muse]

Thanks R2,

I needed that. Time to go back to writing NSFW stuff... I'm feeling rusty.

Rushes to throw more inspiration at Ariella!

[R2s Muse]

Pfft, double post

Instead, I'll say thank you to everyone who answered my question about the mosaic pieces. big sad face.

[Ariella]

Rushes to throw more inspiration at Ariella!

 I'm ALMOST done, and after the beta, it'll be going up. And you and Sage among others get blame er credit for me writing this damnable thing.

 

Poor Cullen. 

[jtav]

That alliance gear really works for him.

And I have a Dalish mage percolating in my brain. Not even a ripoff of a fanfic character this time. And a long-gone Amell and Hawke whose choices I can recite from memory. This ought to be interesting...right after I finish the dwarf.

[R2s Muse]

I think they should have made it more explicit if Cullen really changed his ways because there are scenes that either show him "relapsing" without an apology at best or at worst show him to be a hypocrite who has to be subtle with his anti-Mage opinions because he isn't in a position of power like when he was a Templar.

Things like when you ally with the Mages, an oppressed minority hated by the world and hunted by people who had divine right over their lives and in their desperation to survive were tricked into signing themselves off into indentured servitude, Cullen gets seriously pissed off and acts like his DA2 self ("This isn't a matter for debate. There will be Abominations among them." "They're not monsters they're people, and deserve the same respect as anyone else." "This is not about respect."). Or when he says things like "Meredith's methods were harsh but they kept people safe" or "and she wasn't wrong about the Blood Mages" while not reflecting that her methods never kept Mages safe or that many of the Blood Mages were the result or her harsh methods.

And, imo, he doesn't focus enough on his own failures. Sure he says the way he speaks of Mages wasunworthy of him but he doesn't go into the fact that he was Second in Command of the Kirkwall Templars and did nothing about the corruption or rampant abuses of Mages among the Templars; even going so far as to endorse the "Tranquil Solution" when the matter is brought up to him and advise Meredith to be even harsher when dealing with the Mage Underground in DA2 (in this codex)

I actually agree with you, to a point. I also wish that there had been more dialogue in the game about the ways in which his views have evolved since DA2. I feel like there was an attempt to simplify some of his more problematic character traits in favor of simplifying his issue to be the general Templar issue with lyrium. And much of his current dissatisfaction with the Templar order comes from things that happened off screen between the games that aren't explained.

I don't agree, however, with the notion that there was no evolution of his views during the last game. They actually evolved quite a bit and by the end he's even siding with a mage (perhaps), in favor of mages against his superior and expresses considerable doubts about Meredith's actions during Act 3. For example, he actually does not support the tranquil solution. He says that there are reasons that tranquility is a solution, acknowledging as well that the mages disagree, but the Right of Tranquility itself is different than what Alrik was advocating with the tranquil solution. Even Meredith did not support the tranquil solution, and denied Alrik's request.

Regarding the Mage Underground Codex that you quoted, I don't see anything in there about harsher treatment of mages. Instead he talks about reaching out to the citizenry and changing their hearts and minds about the Mage problem so that they stop helping the Mage underground rebels.

Now, what does seem to be true, and is often overlooked in his characterization in the new game, is that he still supports there being some kind of limitations for the mages. He doesn't advocate pure freedom so it's not a total 180 in his views. But during his romance, for example, you could have extensive conversations with him about what a mage solution might look like, and his ideas are far more humane than the circle system.