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[riverbanks]

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There's been ending slides posted up. A non-romanced Cullen not on lyrium opens up a retreat for retired and recovering Templars. A non-romanced Cullen on lyrium disappears shortly after the DLC and ends up begging for lyrium on the streets. A romanced Cullen (either way) stays with the IQ no matter what.

 

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The bolded: omg seriously????? I'd seen the slide but not the text, but that's... that's perfect. That's exactly the kind of reactivity I wanted to see from Cullen regarding the Templars once he left, the kind of empathy and compassion for the people whose shoes he's been on that I expected out of his character in the main game.

 

Maker, finally I can see the full picture of Cullen that I wanted to see in this game. It comes late, but I knew it had to still be there in him somewhere. I can accept that he was just too focused on the Inquisition and his own recovery to see the larger picture during the main campaign, but once things settled down he realized he had to do more for his own than just wash his hands off them. Good, good. So good.

 

lmao it's a good thing you can't see me, I actually teared up about this. This here, this is the Cullen I love. That's definitely becoming my official headcanon as what he does even if romanced, once he and Inky retire to do "good work on their own terms," as the slide says. He has the money, the contacts and the means to do that now, and it's such a perfect conclusion to his larger character arc.

 

Perfect.

[Tielis]

So. Very. Happy.

 

Cullen is now my canon Inquisition romance forever and ever and ever.

 

Yes.  The only time I "finished" the game was rushing through that other trainwreck romance to get to the end, and I just couldn't do it after that one scene.  Made a male Lavellan, only to be disgusted by his glued-arm boy body.  So yeah, I haven't played since January.

 

I should have listened to my gut when Inquisition came out.  I had been preparing by playing through a Surana-Alistair worldstate since I knew Cullen was going to be in the new game, but then at the last minute I went for the all elves all the time thing.  Ugh.  Oh well, at least I get to experience the full splendor of Cullen from the start now without all the angst.  

[Tarlonniel]

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That's definitely becoming my official headcanon as what he does even if romanced, once he and Inky retire to do "good work on their own terms," as the slide says. He has the money, the contacts and the means to do that now, and it's such a perfect conclusion to his larger character arc. 

 

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Yep, yep, yep. Me too. Another piece of my pre-"Trespasser" headcanon come true. Isn't this DLC the best thing ever?!

[MelissaGT]

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Yep, this is after the wedding. Cass is such a cutie, the way she's such a romantic of course she'd be so happy for her two best friends.

 

 
I didn't! I was speedrunning to get to the ending already, so I really wasn't very thorought. But I'll definitely make sure to talk to her both before and after it when I re-play this on my ~final~ playthrough, thanks for the heads up!

 

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Yep, she's so adorkable. When you act surprised she then thinks Varric tricked her as a joke...but I honestly suspect Cullen did ask his advice on the matter. He said that he'd been thinking about it non-stop for a while and that he had it all planned out, but because Cullen is such a precious cinnamon roll, he just blurted it out...which was perfect.

 

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The bolded: omg seriously????? I'd seen the slide but not the text, but that's... that's perfect. That's exactly the kind of reactivity I wanted to see from Cullen regarding the Templars once he left, the kind of empathy and compassion for the people whose shoes he's been on that I expected out of his character in the main game.

 

Maker, finally I can see the full picture of Cullen that I wanted to see in this game. It comes late, but I knew it had to still be there in him somewhere. I can accept that he was just too focused on the Inquisition and his own recovery to see the larger picture during the main campaign, but once things settled down he realized he had to do more for his own than just wash his hands off them. Good, good. So good.

 

lmao it's a good thing you can't see me, I actually teared up about this. This here, this is the Cullen I love. That's definitely becoming my official headcanon as what he does even if romanced, once he and Inky retire to do "good work on their own terms," as the slide says. He has the money, the contacts and the means to do that now, and it's such a perfect conclusion to his larger character arc.

 

Perfect.

 

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Yup, I don't remember the actual wording, but that's the jist of it. I can def see Rhiannon and him working on that together as part of their "good deeds on their own terms." Rhiannon literally came out of the Inquisition broken, so she had some healing to do herself...and I think helping other Templars recover from being leashed to lyrium would be perfect for her. Because Bioware leaves the lyrium thing so open, I'm still holding to the head canon that she found a way with Cass's help to keep her powers without the need to take lyrium. The Seeker book has so much stuff...if there's a way to reverse Tranquility there has to be a way to allow a Templar to break the lyrium leash and keep their abilities through other means. 

 

I started out being disappointed that I missed so much in Rhiannon's playthrough (ending up with Bull's betrayal, not having Blackwall at all in the DLC, and not being friends with everybody to get all of their extra content - I got pretty much nothing in the DLC from Cole, Sera or Iron Bull)...but the more I think about it, the more it fits her. She had only a few close friends because her duty kept her from opening up. She didn't follow her heart...she followed her sense of duty and what she thought was right, even if that meant going against what she wanted to do. She didn't want Bull to have to sacrifice the Chargers, but she genuinely thought the Inquisition needed the alliance and was willing to make the sacrifice. In the end, all the sacrifices she made piled up and that final betrayal was the last straw. It broke her heart. I'm not sure what she would have done if she didn't have her two besties (Cass and Dorian) and the love of her life at her side.

 

It will be interesting to see how things end up now that I'm invested fully in Theo's playthrough. Oh, and yay for new warpaint for my Reaver chick!

[Ariella]

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I figure why Cullen proposed and it wasn't an option for Josie has to do with the fact Cullen's Ferelden. According to the Origins strategy guide (which I'm damn sure is canon) Fereldens put a lot of store in oaths and vows, to the point where the saying 'my word is my bond' is a legitmate legal tradtion. So marriage vows would have serious meaning beyond that of inheritance etc.

Antiva, being more 'cosmopolitan' would have different views on the subject. And the fact that her lover could be a Qunari, dwarf or elf would complicate things. Probably the reason they didn't make it for a human noble is it might have taken more resources than they had to devote, and to avoid the wailing and gnashing of teeth like what happened with Alistair.

[Tishina]

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OK, apparently there's an option to ask Cullen to take Dalish vows instead of Andrastrian, but I can only find one YouTube with it, and she didn't take that option. Has anyone seen it?? Inquiring (Dalish) minds want to know, lol.

[Rascoth]

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OK, apparently there's an option to ask Cullen to take Dalish vows instead of Andrastrian, but I can only find one YouTube with it, and she didn't take that option. Has anyone seen it?? Inquiring (Dalish) minds want to know, lol.

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I just went to check it after seeing your post... and YES! You can do that!

Now I'm happy little Dalish Inquisitor  

[wiccame]

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OK, apparently there's an option to ask Cullen to take Dalish vows instead of Andrastrian, but I can only find one YouTube with it, and she didn't take that option. Has anyone seen it?? Inquiring (Dalish) minds want to know, lol.

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I ran it with a dalish. She basically tells Cullen that making vows to the maker means nothing to her but she knows what it means to him, He then tells her he only needs to know what she says is true. Basically it plays out the same but before he makes his vows she will say hers in dalish.

[Tishina]

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I ran it with a dalish. She basically tells Cullen that making vows to the maker means nothing to her but she knows what it means to him, He then tells her he only needs to know what she says is true. Basically it plays out the same but before he makes his vows she will say hers in dalish.

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Thanks! That's at least enough that it doesn't feel like mine would be acknowledging the Chantry's authority, etc., though I'd have preferred a compromise...

 

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I just went to check it after seeing your post... and YES! You can do that!

Now I'm happy little Dalish Inquisitor  

Mine too (definitely a fence-sitter without it.)

[wiccame]

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Thanks! That's at least enough that it doesn't feel like mine would be acknowledging the Chantry's authority, etc., though I'd have preferred a compromise...

 

Mine too (definitely a fence-sitter without it.)

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I suppose it is sort of a compromise, given they are in the middle of the winter palace with only chantry priests around, I guess it would be hard to do it any other way. This way he can respect his traditions and she sort of gets to respect her own with limited options, and he is very sweet at respecting hers.

[neonmoth]

Okay, I am definitely jelly of your beautifully moded Quizzies. Off to search for some goodies now I probably will jump into dai binge again. And may I say that the music in this dlc is AMAZING. I have a case of feels every time I hear it.

[MelissaGT]

Okay, I am definitely jelly of your beautifully moded Quizzies. Off to search for some goodies now I probably will jump into dai binge again. And may I say that the music in this dlc is AMAZING. I have a case of feels every time I hear it.

 

Thanks! I'm still looking for a jammy mod for human females that isn't flowery and sparkly. What I've been wanting to see is one that is a simple chainmail-based outfit like I've found for human males. However, with the new outfit system that Bioware introduced, I've been able to work around the jammy system.

 

I've also decided that I'm going to try my hand at building my own high rez female IQ face texture from scratch. I've modded pretty much all the companions/advisers to my own liking, so now it's time to move onto the IQ. I've also got a new tool that should make things easier to build a new normal map for Cullen so I can do the DA2 texture the right way. I was never able to fully get rid of his stubble on the side, even with taking Dorian's clean-shaven normal map...cuz if you look at Dorian very closely...he has very light outlines of what would have been stubble on his jawline. 

[Rinshikai10]

Spoilers are ok as long as they're under a cut, just no spoilers out in the main thread body please. We have several thread regulars on different platforms or with busy shedules this week who haven't played yet, and we don't want to ruin anything for them.
 
 
Mel answered about the slides, but as for the bolded: technically, yes, it's possible for a former Templar to rejoin the Order - Samson can do that in DA2 if your Hawke asks Cullen to give him a second chance after the Best Served Cold quest. The issue is more that Cullen doesn't really want to rejoin - you can actually ask him near the ending of the base game whether he thinks he'll rejoin to the Order once the Inquisition is over, and he says that while he still respects the purpose of the Templars, he doesn't really want to back. So he could, but likely wouldn't.

Alrights thanks for the heads up.

 

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After watching my ending, I may have to go back and redue parts of my main game. I may not be Cullens biggest fan, but I don't have the heart to turn him into that beggar.

[thats1evildude]

So a non-romanced Cullen on lyrium eventually becomes ...

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... Samson?

That is tragic and darkly funny. Well, not my problem, as I encouraged Cullen to stay off the sauce.

[rpgfan321]

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OK, apparently there's an option to ask Cullen to take Dalish vows instead of Andrastrian, but I can only find one YouTube with it, and she didn't take that option. Has anyone seen it?? Inquiring (Dalish) minds want to know, lol.

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Yeah I thought that was super sweet of BW to include that, and it was my headcannon for my Inquisitor to stay true to her Dalish beliefs even though she knew it has so many flaws (jeez). Because being Dalish is a big part of her identity.

 

For Dalish wedding vows, the Inquisitor says: Sylaise enaste var aravel lama ara las mir lath bellanaris

 

The best translation I can think of is: Sylaise, Hearthkeeper, grant my love eternal, watch over my home, until our end

 

There's no translation for lama and I've looked. There's a lam and it means end, and I assumed lam-a is like some female form or something... idk.... not a linguist Also doesn't help how DA elvish is so incomplete! X( 

 

But the meaning is really sweet though

I'm trying to translate it, but someone else can do a better job than me, lol!

[Eliantariel]

So a non-romanced Cullen on lyrium eventually becomes ...

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... Samson?

That is tragic and darkly funny. Well, not my problem, as I encouraged Cullen to stay off the sauce.

 

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But only if the inquisition is disbanded or not? But I don't get it - he has friends, what about Cassandra? The divine needs help and protection too, he could fight for them and get his lyrium.

 

I suppose it was to hard for him to try again to let the lyrium go then.

 

But really a depressing ending - this ending will no Cullen in any of my playthroughs suffer.

[Rinshikai10]

So a non-romanced Cullen on lyrium eventually becomes ...

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... Samson?

That is tragic and darkly funny. Well, not my problem, as I encouraged Cullen to stay off the sauce.

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I would say that its closer to that templar from DAO that last his mind in Howes prison.

[Tishina]

For those who don't post on this list very often, it's helpful if you actually add the word "spoiler" in front of the tag for the people who follow by e-mail but don't want to be spoiled. At least a couple of our regulars aren't going to be able to play the DLC immediately. Thanks!

 

Edit: for those who haven't seen the e-mail version, it doesn't actually hide spoilers in the e-mail so big flags help, lol.

[Tishina]

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Yeah I thought that was super sweet of BW to include that, *snip*

I'm trying to translate it, but someone else can do a better job than me, lol!

Thank you! That's close enough for me for the moment.

[riverbanks]

Alrights thanks for the heads up.

 

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After watching my ending, I may have to go back and redue parts of my main game. I may not be Cullens biggest fan, but I don't have the heart to turn him into that beggar.

 

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Yeah, I figure at least some of Cullen's hardcore haters will be delighted to give him a miserable ending, but I've heard from quite a few people I know who don't care much for him that this ending is too much, he doesn't deserve to fall that low, etc, so I get where you're coming from. You don't even have to like the character to feel that such an ending to his story, after all he's been through, is a little excessive.

 

I've actually been adjusting my canon here and there too, because of some unexpected outcomes I've seen on the DLC. I really hate metagaming and retconning my choices because I always make them with so much deliberation, following not to my personal opinion but what each of my Inquisitors would do in-character, but Cole's outcome in my game made me quite uncomfortable, for instance, and kind of cemented that I'm always going to make the opposite choice now, regardless of how each of my Inquisitors feels about it. It's blatant metagaming, but... alas.

 

In the same vein, I do have at least one playthrough where I did not romance Cullen, kept him on lyrium and planned to disband the Inquisition, but after seeing the outcome for him under those conditions, I'm definitely going back and changing some of my choices for that Inquisitor too. Metagaming or not, I'll be damned if Cullen ends up a beggar in any of my games. :\

[alschemid]

Last one before I pass out, lol. A bug reported on the Sera thread made me realize I completely forgot to talk to Cassandra a second time after the first cutscene, and heeeey turns out she has something to say about you and Cullen!

Oh.. no... how could I have missed that one... now have to play this DLC all over again.

[Rinshikai10]

For those who don't post on this list very often, it's helpful if you actually add the word "spoiler" in front of the tag for the people who follow by e-mail but don't want to be spoiled. At least a couple of our regulars aren't going to be able to play the DLC immediately. Thanks!

 

Edit: for those who haven't seen the e-mail version, it doesn't actually hide spoilers in the e-mail so big flags help, lol.

Oops sorry about that. Didn't know spoiler tags didn't hide in email notifications.

[DaiyoukaiGeisha]

Just finished Trespasser. Money/Time totally well spent.

 

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I had romanced non-lyrium Cullen, allied with the Mages (so Samson story line), as my first playthrough. I purposefully didn't finish "Descent" though on that Inquisitor (Human, Warrior) just so I could do a compare later with another character that has gone through all the other DLCs. Regardless, I was very happy with the closure on that playthrough, although there are many things that do bug me a bit in the overall DA cross-game story itself. I don't think any of my characters story-wise would be cool with disbanding the Inquisition though, they all think the need is there and they all think Orlais and Fereldan can stuff it. So I'll probably have to YouTube those outcomes.

 

Also, Bull...The AdoriBull romance I adored..Oh Bull, I AM SO DISAPPOINTED IN YOU. (He betrayed me in my playthrough. I felt worse for Dorian than I did for my character However Dorian really didn't seem too broken up about it. )

 

I was EXTREMELY happy that Cullen got a Mabari, lol (good thing BioWare thanks the fans in the credits because I think they totally borrowed that good idea from all those fanfics/fanarts I've seen). I was mildly shocked that Cole got a girlfriend and Cassandra as Divine was probably the best decision I made. Although I wonder what all the secrecy is around the new Seekers group she's putting together is about.

 

Long story short, looking forward to going through it again with my Dalish (Mage) character, allied with the Templars (so Calpernia story line).

 

Edit: Forgot about Solas...wow. Really interested in seeing the YouTubes for those folks that romanced him.

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[Ariella]

Just finished Trespasser. Money/Time totally well spent.
 
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Cassandra as Divine was probably the best decision I made. Although I wonder what all the secrecy is around the new Seekers group she's putting together is about.
 

Spoiler for Trespasser and end of S 2 Agents of Shield.

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I read this part and flashed to Agents of SHIELD. Cassandra as Skye putting together the Secret Warriors...er Seekers.

[rpgfan321]

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I read this part and flashed to Agents of SHIELD. Cassandra as Skye putting together the Secret Warriors...er Seekers.

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Well if you look at the map, the new Seekers re-establish themselves in the Hunterhorn mts which is above the Tirashan, the mysterious forest~~~. The Last Court game from the Keep mentions how mysterious Tirashan is, and Leliana even mentions sightings of ancient elves. Also, the forest is toward the western side of Thedas which was where Solas disappeared to (implied). So something is going on in the west. So, the new seekers could be there to watch what's happening?