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[R2s Muse]

I don't think this is a spoiler - everyone knows that Solas is in the DLC and all, right? Well, I never romanced Egg McHardboil, and was thinking about whether or not he makes any comments about F!Elfquisitor's (who romanced Egg at first) new LI? Like Cullen?

 

Just curious, is all

Do you mean if you break up with Solas and then go start up with Cullen? I've only done it under duress in order to escape from heartbreak for the span of a reload, so I haven't seen Solas comment on Cullen. Cullen does comment on Solas if you try to take up with him while romancing Solas. But it's just the generic, I hear you're with someone else. 

[Jean]

I saw someone mention Leliana in here not too long ago...

 

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It turns out the lyrium spirit ending is actually a thing. It's really strange but she does die in a... Well, really strange place.

 

 

[R2s Muse]

I saw someone mention Leliana in here not too long ago...

 

Spoiler

It turns out the spirit ending is actually a thing. It's really strange but she does die in a... Well, really strange place.

 

 

I saw someone mention this elsewhere, but I'm puzzled. I didn't get these extra slides. Under what circumstances do they show up...?

 

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Is it only if she died in DA:O?

[Jean]

I saw someone mention this elsewhere, but I'm puzzled. I didn't get these extra slides. Under what circumstances do they show up...?

 

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Is it only if she died in DA:O?

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Yes, this is if the Warden kills her in DA:O and she doesn't become divine.

Modifié par Jon Snuh, 13 septembre 2015 - 12:50 .

[DaiyoukaiGeisha]

I believe that a hardened Alistair makes a better king, and more willing to actually be one. 

 

This. I prefer him hardened for all the reasons previously stated, and especially because...er, spoilers..

 

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The dialog you get later when you both talk about Anora possibly taking the throne via the Landsmeet is so worth it. He sounds like he's 110% done with Anora, Loghain, and all their nonsense, lol.

[riverbanks]

I saw someone mention Leliana in here not too long ago...

 

Spoiler

It turns out the lyrium spirit ending is actually a thing. It's really strange but she does die in a... Well, really strange place.

 

 

 

Saw this in the Leliana thread earlier, and I actually really like this ending for her. It makes much of her behavior post-Origins (and specially during Asunder) make a lot more sense. I wish I could retcon this into my canon because it actually makes me like Inquisition-era Leliana a lot more, but I don't really have an excuse to make my Warden defile the urn when she's such a  staunch Andrastian.... unless she thought the whole thing was a ruse and wanted to destroy it because it was a lie or something.

 

But then, Leliana was such a good friend to Éirinn back then, so killing her makes no sense anyway. Still, good on them for taking people's (justified) complains seriously about this choice being handwaved and finally addressing it in-game in some manner.

[Hellion Rex]

I saw someone mention Leliana in here not too long ago...

Spoiler

It turns out the lyrium spirit ending is actually a thing. It's really strange but she does die in a... Well, really strange place.

https://www.youtube....h?v=r6kJXWXH6xw

Is this legit? I can't get the video to load.

[Hellion Rex]

I did try to look it up and saw that hardening is only required if you're not a Cousland. And the only personal opinions I could find were from threads going back like 5 years lol. I was just curious what everyone's thoughts were and so far it's seems like a unanimous hardened Alistair is the preferred choice.

Thanks everyone!

Yup. Loved hardened Alistair. A fantastic friend, and lover.

[riverbanks]

Is this legit? I can't get the video to load.

 

It's legit, yeah, multiple people have confirmed getting theses slides now.

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This only triggers if she's not Divine. It says Leliana eventually became more and more quiet and reclusive over time, until one day she completely disappeared, leaving behind a message saying "The Lyrium sang thought into being. Now time is stale, and the melody is called elsewhere. Until I am needed, I am free."

 

Unclear so far whether this means "Leliana" was a spirit who took her body (like Compassion took the original Cole, or Justice took Kristoff), or whether the lyrium reference means Leliana was touched by a Titan, or something to that effect, and became something like Valta, or Sandal. Interesting development, either way.

[Demoiselle]

Does anyone have a Cullen-romanced savefile for use in Trespasser? I had one on my PS3, but it'd take ages to redo it on the PC just for Trespasser. I don't have any DLCs but trespasser, so I'd need a save without any of those dlcs as well, if anyone can share one?

[Hellion Rex]

It's legit, yeah, multiple people have confirmed getting theses slides now.

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This only triggers if she's not Divine. It says Leliana eventually became more and more quiet and reclusive over time, until one day she completely disappeared, leaving behind a message saying "The Lyrium sang thought into being. Now time is stale, and the melody is called elsewhere. Until I am needed, I am free."

Unclear so far whether this means "Leliana" was a spirit who took her body (like Compassion took the original Cole, or Justice took Kristoff), or whether the lyrium reference means Leliana was touched by a Titan, or something to that effect, and became something like Valta, or Sandal. Interesting development, either way.

Sang thought into being? Jesus.

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in that sense, I suppose it's not that different from the spirits inhabiting the Temple. I knew lyrium was alive, but it's intelligent? Intelligent enough to create or instill life in the lifeless?
I'm wondering if there's a Titan hiding underneath the Temple's remains. Or perhaps the Titan from the Storm Coast reaches that far. If the Titan's blood truly is lyrium, it would certainly have the power to reanimate a body or instill a "spirit" or some measure of autonomous life into the corpse. Either way, the true Leliana has long left the mortal coil.

[riverbanks]

Does anyone have a Cullen-romanced savefile for use in Trespasser? I had one on my PS3, but it'd take ages to redo it on the PC just for Trespasser. I don't have any DLCs but trespasser, so I'd need a save without any of those dlcs as well, if anyone can share one?

 

Any preference for class/race? The two Cullenmancers I could share are a rogue and a warrior, both human. A little trip to the Black Emporium could make them look like your original Inky, but race and class can't be changed if you have a specific need. :3

[Hellion Rex]

Some interesting regarding dwarves

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Random ramblings and thoughts to follow:

In Trespasser, you learn that he views the modern population as most people would view tranquil - less than people. He believes something intrinsic and fundamental to being a full person is now lost to the elves, but I think he regrets what happened to the ancient dwarves as well. We don't know what happened, but in banter with Varric, he argues with almost as much fervor as about the elves that something was lost to them that makes them less than they were in a fundamental way.

I would assume this is a greater connection to Titans/The Stone that they must have had at one point, just like the elves and the fade. This may have also given dwarves their own magic, which would be another reason Solas is upset about Varric not caring about The Stone.

He says "Dwarves are the severed arm of a once mighty hero, lying in a pool of blood, undirected, whatever skill at arms it had gone forever. Although it might twitch to give the appearance of life, it will never dream."

That seems exactly like what he thinks of the rest of the world being sundered from the fade. Sometimes they seem to mirror what he sees as being truly alive, but it's just an imitation.

Codices also describe an event in the past that "Split the dwarven race in two." Perhaps this is because the Titans are dormant, or too many have been killed? Are the Titans and dwarves both seen as dwarves by the writer of this entry, as they're both "children of The Stone"? The mural of a Titan being killed does resemble a dwarf in shape. That mural depicts Mythal destroying a Titan so the ancient elves could make use of their demesne, which basically means land or domain. In this case, it means lyrium, and according to the Inquisitor, something else that is unclear.

Also on the mural has someone (presumably Solas) talk about how the greed of the Evanuris threatens the elves, but could he also simply not want the dwarves to lose their connection to the Titans and The Stone? He might no longer see them as people if they did (and they did). Oddly though, Mythal, the only Evanuris he admires is the one destroying the Titan.

Back to the above quote: If the dwarves are supposed to be connected to the Titans, they are almost literally "lying in a pool of blood." The Titans' blood. Maybe if he destroys the veil, it will wake the Titans and reconnect the dwarves to them, and in Solas' eyes, ascend them to the prestigious rank of Person. Maybe that's a nice side-bonus to restoring the elves.

Lastly, does anyone now find it rather amusing (in a macabre sort of way) that Solas' analogy is a severed arm?

[Teshayel]

I don't think this is a spoiler - everyone knows that Solas is in the DLC and all, right? Well, I never romanced Egg McHardboil, and was thinking about whether or not he makes any comments about F!Elfquisitor's (who romanced Egg at first) new LI? Like Cullen?

 

Just curious, is all

 

I don't have anything to contribute to your question, but I wanted to thank you for providing me with my daily chuckle: Solas as Egg McHardboil

 

I haven't been active on the forum for a while, and I rarely visited the Solas thread, so this is the first time I hear this name. Awesome

[Shienis]

Oh shi*, poor Cullen D:

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Cullen takes Lyrium, not romanced, Inquisitor disbands the Inquisition: Cullen loses his mind to Lyrium and becomes a beggar on the streets.

That's what you get when...

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...your character supports lyrium addiction. If the Inquisitor tells him "go, continue destroying your mind", they can't be surprised when that actually happens.

[R2s Muse]

Some interesting regarding dwarves

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This would be f'ing awesome. I don't know what mural it's referring to tho. Can someone direct me? Is it from Descent?

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I don't recall any mention of Mythal fighting Titans. To quote Ted from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, "Whoa."

[alwayshungry]

This would be f'ing awesome. I don't know what mural it's referring to tho. Can someone direct me? Is it from Descent?

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I don't recall any mention of Mythal fighting Titans. To quote Ted from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, "Whoa."

spoilers

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There's an eluvian in the deep roads that's blocked off, but you can blow up the bombs with your mark. That's where the mural is.

 

edit: Have a Cullen for ToP.

[R2s Muse]

spoilers

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There's an eluvian in the deep roads that's blocked off, but you can blow up the bombs with your mark. That's where the mural is.

 

edit: Have a Cullen for ToP.

Oh cool.

 

spoiler: 

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Is that the same area where the Fen'harel codex pops up (one of the four that lets you figure out on your own who he is?)

[alwayshungry]

Oh cool.

 

spoiler: 

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Is that the same area where the Fen'harel codex pops up (one of the four that lets you figure out on your own who he is?)

Yup.

[stop_him]

Yup. Loved hardened Alistair. A fantastic friend, and lover.

Not if you're an elf. 

IMO hardening him is total crap if you're anything other than human. All of a sudden he's concerned about poncy nobility crap and producing heirs? Totally unlike the Alistair I spent a good 40+ hours with. Nope. Anora is a better ruler anyway in my book. She gets **** done.

[riverbanks]

Anyway we now have screencaps of the bad ending with captions on courtesy of Gala on tumblr, so I updated the list of Cullen's epilogues. This should cover every variant for his various different fates. Spoiler warning for embedded images under the cut, if anyone's still on subscription.

 

Cullen romanced, Inquisition disbanded:

Spoiler

 

 

 

Cullen romanced, Inquisition peacekeeping:

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Cullen unromanced, not on lyrium, Inquisition disbanded:

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Cullen unromanced, not on lyrium, Inquisition peacekeeping:

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Cullen unromanced, back on lyrium:

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Things to note about this ending:

• this can only happen if Cullen was not romanced. If he's romanced, even if he goes back on lyrium he will still get the same good ending slides as above. Stop harrassing people who made this choice during their romances, please. They got the same happy ending as everyone else.
• we're actually still missing a single slide here, which is the initial caption for a disbanded Inquisition. It has the same artwork of Cullen walking away from the helmet, but different text. I've only see it in a Russian video, so no English captions for that one yet.
• it's pretty clearly implied that Cullen dies in this ending, either by Harding's hand or homelessness, so he's now officially on the list of "could be dead" characters, as far returning cameos in future games go. Not that possibly maybe being dead is some people's games or not has stopped Leliana, Anders, Nathaniel, Zevran, Alistair or Loghain before, mind you.

[stop_him]

 

Anyway we now have screencaps of the bad ending with captions on courtesy of Gala on tumblr, so I updated the list of Cullen's epilogues. This should cover every variant for his various different fates. Spoiler warning for embedded images under the cut, if anyone's still on subscription.

 

Cullen romanced, Inquisition disbanded:

Spoiler

 

 

 

Cullen romanced, Inquisition peacekeeping:

Spoiler

 

 

 

Cullen unromanced, not on lyrium, Inquisition disbanded:

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

Cullen unromanced, not on lyrium, Inquisition peacekeeping:

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Cullen unromanced, back on lyrium:

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Things to note about this ending:

• this can only happen if Cullen was not romanced. If he's romanced, even if he goes back on lyrium he will still get the same good ending slides as above. Stop harrassing people who made this choice during their romances, please. They got the same happy ending as everyone else.
• we're actually still missing a single slide here, which is the initial caption for a disbanded Inquisition. It has the same artwork of Cullen walking away from the helmet, but different text. I've only see it in a Russian video, so no English captions for that one yet.
• it's pretty clearly implied that Cullen dies in this ending, either by Harding's hand or homelessness, so he's now officially on the list of "could be dead" characters, as far returning cameos in future games go. Not that possibly maybe being dead is some people's games or not has stopped Leliana, Anders, Nathaniel, Zevran, Alistair or Loghain before, mind you.

 

I wish there were bad endings for all of the characters. If Cullen haters got their due, I need mine....

[Hellion Rex]

This would be f'ing awesome. I don't know what mural it's referring to tho. Can someone direct me? Is it from Descent?

Spoiler

I don't recall any mention of Mythal fighting Titans. To quote Ted from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, "Whoa."

Here is the mural:

 

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[R2s Muse]

Here is the mural:

 

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Huh. Thanks!! Dunno if I recall seeing that.

 

spoiler:

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So is one of those folk supposed to be Mythal? They both kinda look like Solas to me.

[Vanalia]

Ah, yes I read about that option. I wouldn't go for it, but while I can't speak for Alistair, there's nothing wrong with exploring your sexuality. I would just interpret that as him being more open-minded. And while I don't want to start an argument, I wouldn't go around throwing derogatory slurs at characters like that. Isabella's sexuality [or anyone's for that matter] has no bearing on whether she's a good person/character or not. 

I like the way how people try to transform what I say or always misinterpret it. 

 

I absolutly don't care about the sexuality of Isabela, she does what she wants, I don't like her because she is dishonest, is a thief, manipulates people (with her charms or not), doesn't like it when you try to help people in need, etc. I don't like the way she acts. (edit: I'm not an english native speaker, is the word "slutty" always linked to sex or can it mean "a woman who is acting in a mean way"? because in french we use the word "salope" not only for sex but also for manipulative/dishonest women, and slutty was the translation for it. Maybe in english the word doesn't have these subtilities)

 

See, I really love Zevran, so my liking of a character has nothing to do with sexuality, don't make me say what I didn't say, please.

 

What I didn't like about the threesome is not the fact that it is a threesome, it's the fact that Alistair was really totaly against it (and it's not because he's narrow-minded, some people are jut not into that, they are free to like this or not) and suddenly, you say one little thing to him and BAM, everything changes, he suddenly wants to do it, and that's not credible at all (that and all the other consequences of the hardening, it makes you think that someone changes totally if you just say one word to him. His personality, everything.) Hardening him should have been with different steps along the game, not just one dialogue option and Tadaaa, Alistair totally changes!

 

And someone said that hardening him made him say "no" to the warden when she wanted to spare Loghain. Well, hardening has nothing to do with it because he also says "no" to the warden when he is not hardened and he leaves. The only difference is that he doesn't become king, but he still says no. So even unhardened he already had the temper to say "no, I don't like the fact that you want to spare his life, so I leave you warden".

 

And I didn't like the fact that he would consider cheating on the warden in DA2 if Isabela proposes something, yes. I like romantic romances and cheating is not romantic to me, sorry people. (he's already cheating on Anora but it was an arranged marriage and they don't love each other so that's a bit different).