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Btw, this being the Cullen thread and all... /coughcough anyone actually into Cullrian?? I resisted for like, so very very long. Then it just sort of happened in the fic I was writing. And I was like, oh. Ohhh. xD

 

Me.  Although I'm a multishipper when it comes to Cullen.  Cullrian, Cullistair, Cullen/M!Quisitor, etc.  A good writer can convince me of anything and there's been some really good writers out there for those pairings.


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Me.  Although I'm a multishipper when it comes to Cullen.  Cullrian, Cullistair, Cullen/M!Quisitor, etc.  A good writer can convince me of anything and there's been some really good writers out there for those pairings.

 

Oh well that's definitely true! :lol: Or a good artist as well. Cullrian art is quite cute despite my continued hatred for "The Mustache" ™ As for my own Cullen x m!quizzy fics I've never been quite happy with them. I think I never felt fully comfortable writing Cullen for some reason. Too much pressure????


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(just coming back to this post after dinner!)
 
That's an excellent question for dwarf fandom, actually. Regardless of which ending you get, the Templar Order is severely damaged even in the best case scenario where you get to save and redeem them, and with many among the Templars remaining now looking into quitting lyrium if they can, the lyrium market is taking a serious blow. If you destroy them, then, the business is half dead in one single blow. And no, Tevinter Templars don't use lyrium or have any real magic-disrupting abilities (which brings up my usual question of how to preserve the Southern Templars' abilities without the lyrium to draw from), so they wouldn't count much either way.

 

Mages still do need lyrium, so the market is not entirely dead. Vivienne does say it has effects on them too, but apparently it's different from Templars because of their connection with the Fade, and some parts of Origins and Last Flight imply the lyrium is not something they can really do without... unless we trade lyrium for blood as magic fuel, and that's not where we wanna go, I hope. But still, you're right, at least half of the old market is going away and that's not good for dwarves. Orzammar's economy is already crippled and depends too much on the lyrium trade as it is, half of that trade going under (not even counting the business lost to the Carta black market) doesn't bode well for them.

 

I'm not sure I want lyrium entirely phased out of the story, though, because it's such a fascinating narrative element. I do want to see it elaborated on a lot more before that happens, anyway. Not many fantasy worlds bother explaining where "mana" comes from, it's usually just something that exists to facilitate magic and nothing more - the fact that the same mana source that facilitates magic and pseudo-magical abilities in this universe is also something that destroys the user in the long term is very interesting.

 

Even beyond its magical properties, lyrium is such a key element in dwarven economics and social structuring, and in surface underworld structuring too - we had an entire organized crime web specialized in enabling the Chantry-induced addiction of Templars, so where does that whole industry turn to now? But I think Descent is good sign for this subplot. Before DAI it did seem like they had no idea what they were doing with lyrium, like they were just winging it as they went and the story needed to turn this or that way, but now it seems like they've finally sat down and settled on the lore rulebook of what lyrium actually is, what it does, how it works, how and why it affects different people different ways, etc. We may not see all the rules clearly yet, but hopefully we have a consistent lore basis behind what we learn about lyrium now.

Lyrium's also used in enchanting, etc. And honestly, if lyrium became openly available for a reasonable price, some people would try to learn Templar abilities assuming they could handle it. People do stupid things all the time for similar reasons, and they might think the power is worth it. But yes, there will be real shocks to the dwarven economy if the mages and Tevinters don't start buying the excess (which is entirely possible - wasn't the difficulty of getting enough lyrium one of the reasons Fenris's master hunted him?)

 

I don't know much about your character, so I don't know if this would fit, but... would it be possible for him to later, over time, move on to a relationship with Dorian? Not as a cheap rebound, or as way to get over or give up on Solas, but just... naturally, over time, people eventually move on from failed relationships and may end up with someone else. Doesn't make either relationship less valid than the other, you know? Again I don't know if that fits this character in particular, just throwing ideas around. It's one way you could set up your canon world state - you can tell the Keep you romanced Dorian as a mechanic to get romance reactivity in the next game, but in your personal storyline you know that you really romanced Solas during the events of the game, and Dorian was something that happened later.

 

I've used this artifice before in DAO, for world states where my Wardens romanced Jowan or Ser Gilmore with mods, for instance. These romances are obvs impossible to reproduce in the Keep, but I cheated some other one in to get romance-specific commentary in-game, even if my story wasn't exactly like the Keep tiles tell it. (ie. my Amell absolutely romanced Jowan, you can't tell me otherwise :P but in the Keep she's set to have "romanced" Leliana because I wanted to get Leliana's romance lines in-game - she was in love with that Warden back then, so to hear her talking about she "loved" the Warden fit the storytelling I wanted to convey, even if I had to headcanon around the Keep mechanics)

Cool solution, especially if CuriousArtemis can see Alin and Dorian together. Doesn't solve my problem with Zhenya unless they make the Harding romance official in the Keep (I haven't seen a tile yet) because there is no one officially available to her that I can even pretend she was interested in.


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Cool solution, especially if CuriousArtemis can see Alin and Dorian together. Doesn't solve my problem with Zhenya unless they make the Harding romance official in the Keep (I haven't seen a tile yet) because there is no one officially available to her that I can even pretend she was interested in.

 

Oh well for now I definitely cannot imagine Alin having romantic feelings for Dorian; it is definitely friendship between them and nothing more. The same goes for all the companions and NPCs I can think of off the top of my head... he just became one of those characters. Actually, for him, I think selecting "no romance" would be best since I really think he is an asexual character as well and the thing with Solas was so unexpected... I bet DA4, if there is an encounter between Solas and the inquisitor, if you have high friendship with him he will respond positively, so even if it's not stated love it won't be hard to headcanon that there are feelings there... hell I did that for my first playthrough when I romanced Bull :lol: My first quizzy had eyes for dat old elf as well as dat templar xD

 

I guess it is too early to be thinking about crafting canons. In any case DA series so far hasn't been too worried about carrying over relationships, a few comments from Hawke, and I imagine the same from Morrigan and Alistair... I can see Solas telling the DA4 protagonist "The inquisitor was a very trusted friend..." and I will just wink at my TV screen and say "Oh is that what you two were calling it" :lol:


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One of the sadder things that I've noticed about Cullen and lyrium if you keep him on it

 

(trespasser spoilers)

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(just coming back to this post after dinner!)
 
That's an excellent question for dwarf fandom, actually. Regardless of which ending you get, the Templar Order is severely damaged even in the best case scenario where you get to save and redeem them, and with many among the Templars remaining now looking into quitting lyrium if they can, the lyrium market is taking a serious blow. If you destroy them, then, the business is half dead in one single blow. And no, Tevinter Templars don't use lyrium or have any real magic-disrupting abilities (which brings up my usual question of how to preserve the Southern Templars' abilities without the lyrium to draw from), so they wouldn't count much either way.

 

Mages still do need lyrium, so the market is not entirely dead. Vivienne does say it has effects on them too, but apparently it's different from Templars because of their connection with the Fade, and some parts of Origins and Last Flight imply the lyrium is not something they can really do without... unless we trade lyrium for blood as magic fuel, and that's not where we wanna go, I hope. But still, you're right, at least half of the old market is going away and that's not good for dwarves. Orzammar's economy is already crippled and depends too much on the lyrium trade as it is, half of that trade going under (not even counting the business lost to the Carta black market) doesn't bode well for them.

 

I'm not sure I want lyrium entirely phased out of the story, though, because it's such a fascinating narrative element. I do want to see it elaborated on a lot more before that happens, anyway. Not many fantasy worlds bother explaining where "mana" comes from, it's usually just something that exists to facilitate magic and nothing more - the fact that the same mana source that facilitates magic and pseudo-magical abilities in this universe is also something that destroys the user in the long term is very interesting.

 

Even beyond its magical properties, lyrium is such a key element in dwarven economics and social structuring, and in surface underworld structuring too - we had an entire organized crime web specialized in enabling the Chantry-induced addiction of Templars, so where does that whole industry turn to now? But I think Descent is good sign for this subplot. Before DAI it did seem like they had no idea what they were doing with lyrium, like they were just winging it as they went and the story needed to turn this or that way, but now it seems like they've finally sat down and settled on the lore rulebook of what lyrium actually is, what it does, how it works, how and why it affects different people different ways, etc. We may not see all the rules clearly yet, but hopefully we have a consistent lore basis behind what we learn about lyrium now.

 

I completely agree about lyrium being fascinating. Especially with the new lore (haven't played Descent yet - I skipped straight to Trespasser in my impatience to see what happened so I have to go back to it now). My Inquisitor is beyond obsessed with lyrium and red lyrium because of the impact it has on her and Cullen. 

 

I guess I was thinking more of it being phased out in terms of Templars taking it and it being used as a method of control. Some of the codex on that was so sad + my Inquisitor hated that element of the Chantry with a passion. I have all kinds of headcanon stuff around it which I'm hoping to explore later in fanfic.

 

And, I guess trade is not regulated by the Chantry any more - well only to a certain extent? There was some mention of it in Haven but I'm not entirely clear now, particularly as the Inquisition sourced its own supply. The dwarves were happy enough to come to an arrangement almost immediately with an upstart Inquisition which to me hints at the fact they realise the Chantry isn't going to be the purchaser they were.

 

Red lyrium and the Blight - what an amazing potential that has with the storyline, and the Grey Warden question too. And if the Warden found a cure for the Calling. There's so many different directions they could take it. I had to make Alistair king because the whole Fade thing was just too awful to contemplate + to see him king with Anora or her as sole ruler made a small part of my soul die. But if they ever do anything more with Wardens in DA4 I might make him a Warden again to see what happens with the whole cure and whether they can remove the taint from lyrium.

 

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Lyrium is here to stay and I am getting giddy already at the possibilities  :D

 

Lyrium's also used in enchanting, etc. And honestly, if lyrium became openly available for a reasonable price, some people would try to learn Templar abilities assuming they could handle it. People do stupid things all the time for similar reasons, and they might think the power is worth it. But yes, there will be real shocks to the dwarven economy if the mages and Tevinters don't start buying the excess (which is entirely possible - wasn't the difficulty of getting enough lyrium one of the reasons Fenris's master hunted him?)

 

 

Good point, I hadn't thought about enchanting. Not sure about Fenris - my Hawke couldn't stand him with him being so anit-mage so I never used him much in DA2  :D

 

And true, people suddenly wanting to become Templars, without the training or without any regulation whatsoever. It's a horrendous drug at the end of the day. In my wildest headcanon moments I could dream up worlds full of zombified lyrium addicts because of the ease with which people can now get it. The Carta is already involved - I imagine all kinds of Godfather - type discussions on the morality of selling lyrium in Orzammar. 

 

 

One of the sadder things that I've noticed about Cullen and lyrium if you keep him on it

 

(trespasser spoilers)

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Totally, I thought so as well. 

 

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I know a few of you are having this problem, too! :lol: 

 

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"When you can’t decide between romancing Cullen or Solas"

 

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Cool solution, especially if CuriousArtemis can see Alin and Dorian together. Doesn't solve my problem with Zhenya unless they make the Harding romance official in the Keep (I haven't seen a tile yet) because there is no one officially available to her that I can even pretend she was interested in.

 

Well, yeah, it doesn't work every time. Sometimes the "Didn't romance anyone" card has to be the solution. For my Amell it worked out, but for me Aeducan who romanced Ser Gilmore there's no option that satisfies, she didn't really flirt with anyone else and didn't move on to anyone else later. So in the Keep she's just set to not romancing anyone and, in-game, when I got her letter, I just knew to myself that Gilmore was with her in my personal storyline for this Warden.

 

In any case DA series so far hasn't been too worried about carrying over relationships, a few comments from Hawke, and I imagine the same from Morrigan and Alistair...

 

This is a good point, too. For all the emotional investment I have in my Zevran and Alistair romances, both only get a single namedrop on the Warden's letter, if your Warden is even still alive; otherwise, you get nada. Hawke's love interests do get a few mentions, but it's all peripheral too, nothing worth getting too worked up about. There's just not a lot of continuity for romances overall (though I don't really blame them, you can't keep bringing up past events if you're trying to move the story forward and beyond the previous protagonist).

 

For DA4, since we're moving halfway across Thedas and probably distancing ourselves from the Inquisitor, I don't really expect much better in terms of romance continuity. If Dorian moves to an advisor role like Leliana his romance will get more acknowledgement, if we get some surprise visit we might hear some romantic comments (like Warden Alistair's), but for most of the LIs, Cullen included, I pretty much expect no more than a namedrop or a casual mention like we've been getting for past romances so far. It's why I don't really mind using the "didn't romance anyone" tile either for an Inquisitor that I endgame with Barris - there's probably not gonna be much romance reactivity anyway, even if I set her to have romanced Cullen or such, so at this point headcanon's good enough.


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Btw, this being the Cullen thread and all... /coughcough anyone actually into Cullrian?? I resisted for like, so very very long. Then it just sort of happened in the fic I was writing. And I was like, oh. Ohhh. xD

 

I'm definitely a multishipper for Cullen, and I like a lot of m/m ships for him, but I just can't seem to click with the fandom favorites. :lol: Cullen with Dorian or Alistair doesn't really work for me, not even with a good writer behind it.

 

Now Cullen with Michel, Barris, Rylen, Carver, Keran.... even Krem or Blackwall or Samson... sign me the f up etc, I'd be all over these ships if there was more of them around.


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Peripheral because I don't wanna get into the romance+lyrium argument again...

 

...And if the Warden found a cure for the Calling. There's so many different directions they could take it. (...) But if they ever do anything more with Wardens in DA4 I might make him a Warden again to see what happens with the whole cure and whether they can remove the taint from lyrium.

 

I still don't think this "cure for the Calling" subplot is anything but a red herring to get the Hero of Ferelden out of the picture, or that anything of substance will come out of it. As I've mentioned before in the thread, in a world state with a dead Hero of Ferelden this subplot is never brought up at all, there's no mention of it in any letters, codex entry, anything. The only place it's ever mentioned is in a living Warden's letter, and they only say they're looking for a cure for themselves, it's not really implied that they found it.

 

I may be wrong, who knows, but curing the Calling is a major lore changer, and I think if they were setting up the story to go in that direction they should at least make this a universal subplot so that every player knows it's coming, no matter what world state you import. The Titans, for instance, are mentioned either way - with a dead HoF you don't get Kieran's line about them, but you still find mentions of them in various codex entries at the Western Approach and the Hissing Wastes. It was a new lore twist introduced to all players, not just those who fulfill one certain plot condition.


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One of the sadder things that I've noticed about Cullen and lyrium if you keep him on it

 

(trespasser spoilers)

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He's young, but he's been using lyrium for over a decade. That's a long time to be developing the issues he starts to show later (they show suddenly, but they've been rooting over time, I mean). Any substance you continuously use for that long will affect your health in unpredictable ways, be it eating french fries every day for twelve years or using magical rock blood. ;)

 

In any case, lyrium damage doesn't seem to be tied to age - Evangeline is of an age with Cullen, and she's afraid of the same effects Cullen seems to suffer from. Carroll was of an age with Cullen too, and he went full Behemoth while other Red Templars around him were only just growing crystals. And it's implied in Cullen's dialogue at the palace that he's overworking himself and consuming more lyrium than he used to before to keep up, so that would make his degeneration faster than expected too.

 

It's not even made clear whether quitting will prevent the long term effects such as memory loss and dementia, or just postpone them - it could be that without lyrium Cullen still has a good decade with our Inquisitors, but eventually he'll end up in the same state. (and I think that's supposed to be the case, with what Cole says about Templars becoming fundamentally different because of the lyrium, and with Cullen opening those repose homes not just to help other Templars quit, but also offer a peaceful rest to those who are in their final days)


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Peripheral because I don't wanna get into the romance+lyrium argument again...

 

 

I still don't think this "cure for the Calling" subplot is anything but a red herring to get the Hero of Ferelden out of the picture, or that anything of substance will come out of it. As I've mentioned before in the thread, in a world state with a dead Hero of Ferelden this subplot is never brought up at all, there's no mention of it in any letters, codex entry, anything. The only place it's ever mentioned is in a living Warden's letter, and they only say they're looking for a cure for themselves, it's not really implied that they found it.

 

I may be wrong, who knows, but curing the Calling is a major lore changer, and I think if they were setting up the story to go in that direction they should at least make this a universal subplot so that every player knows it's coming, no matter what world state you import. The Titans, for instance, are mentioned either way - with a dead HoF you don't get Kieran's line about them, but you still find mentions of them in various codex entries at the Western Approach and the Hissing Wastes. It was a new lore twist introduced to all players, not just those who fulfill one certain plot condition.

It is a contradiction, but it's also possible in a WS with a dead HoF that the orlesian Warden-Commander or some other warden goes in search of the cure and just isn't referenced. I'm a little disappointed that they wouldn't have included the Orlesian from DAA in the war table missions, but then again, neither Leliana or Morrigan knew that Warden more than a brief meeting or two, and it would have been a stretch for either to have claimed to have a way to contact her or him.

 

I agree that it might be a red herring to distract people, but I'd like to hope it isn't even if I don't particularly want the Warden to return as a protag (an NPC making an occasional appearance and cooperating with the new protag, maybe.) Curing the Warden would be actually be another way to remove the HoF as a possible major returning character, after all, since she or he would no longer be a warden, which is their primary power base. Most of the wardens would clearly have other responsibilities at that point - Cousland either to Highever or as consort, Aeducan or Brosca as a paragon, a dalish to the clan (assuming there are survivors.) Only a city elf or a mage might be wild cards, honestly. As for being the HoF, Trespasser proves how short gratitude and memory often are.

 

He's young, but he's been using lyrium for over a decade. That's a long time to be developing the issues he starts to show later (they show suddenly, but they've been rooting over time, I mean). Any substance you continuously use for that long will affect your health in unpredictable ways, be it eating french fries every day for twelve years or using magical rock blood. ;)

 

In any case, lyrium damage doesn't seem to be tied to age - Evangeline is of an age with Cullen, and she's afraid of the same effects Cullen seems to suffer from. Carroll was of an age with Cullen too, and he went full Behemoth while other Red Templars around him were only just growing crystals. And it's implied in Cullen's dialogue at the palace that he's overworking himself and consuming more lyrium than he used to before to keep up, so that would make his degeneration faster than expected too.

 

It's not even made clear whether quitting will prevent the long term effects such as memory loss and dementia, or just postpone them - it could be that without lyrium Cullen still has a good decade with our Inquisitors, but eventually he'll end up in the same state. (and I think that's supposed to be the case, with what Cole says about Templars becoming fundamentally different because of the lyrium, and with Cullen opening those repose homes not just to help other Templars quit, but also offer a peaceful rest to those who are in their final days)

Good summary. I'd add that he might have taken higher doses than normal while in Kirkwall under Meredith's influence? She was so fearful that she may have pushed people to higher doses so they were more powerful in case of trouble.


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It is a contradiction, but it's also possible in a WS with a dead HoF that the orlesian Warden-Commander or some other warden goes in search of the cure and just isn't referenced. I'm a little disappointed that they wouldn't have included the Orlesian from DAA in the war table missions, but then again, neither Leliana or Morrigan knew that Warden more than a brief meeting or two, and it would have been a stretch for either to have claimed to have a way to contact her or him.

 

Yeah, trust me, no one is more salty than me about the Orlesian Warden-Commander not even being referenced in a tiny throwaway codex entry or something. The Warden-Commander was as real a character to me as my Cousland, and I care about her fate too. You're right in that Leliana or Morrigan have very little association with her (Morrigan a bit more, because of the events of Witch Hunt), but still... even a small mention somewhere would have satisfied.

 

Still, I'll admit in full disclosure that I also don't want the plot to go in the direction of a cure for the Calling, so I'm actually glad the issue isn't brough up with a dead HoF world state, because that counts against this subplot developing much further. I feel that curing the Taint cheapens much of what's unique about this universe in the themes of duty, responsibility, self-sacrifice, etc. If it's possible to defeat the Blight and suffer little to no consequence for it, then the whole threat of the Blight is empty, and the entire history of the Grey Wardens as the tragic champions of Thedas was all for nothing. There are no stakes to this fight anymore, if you can just defeat evil and cure yourself and walk away to a happy ending. I do understand that people may want happy endings for their Wardens, but this level of deus ex machina just feels... cheap.

 

Good summary. I'd add that he might have taken higher doses than normal while in Kirkwall under Meredith's influence? She was so fearful that she may have pushed people to higher doses so they were more powerful in case of trouble.

 

Good point, too. Samson's level of addiction was off the charts even considering he's older than Cullen, and Cullen's rapid degeneration could be linked to excessive use even beyond his time in the Inquisition. I don't think Meredith would have obligated everyone to intake more than the usual ratios, but she might have been less strict with than other Knight-Commanders, possibly encouraging those who took more than necessary because "the threat is everywhere" in her final more paranoid years, etc.

 

On the other hand, as we learn from Hawke (and Samson in Paper & Steel), the Kirkwall Templars pretty much just did whatever they wanted, Commander or not. If they could arrange a red lyrium farming and trade business right under Cullen's nose, they could be abusing the blue lyrium under Meredith's nose even without her knowledge too, so either way overuse back in Kirkwall is a good theory.


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Now Cullen with Michel, Barris, Rylen, Carver, Keran.... even Krem or Blackwall or Samson... sign me the f up etc, I'd be all over these ships if there was more of them around.

 

Oh man, KREM! I can ship Krem with anyone, yes, even Cullen! I guess when you like a certain character so much but can't think of a canon ship they become your shipping wh*** :lol: Then again Cullen's kind of like that for me. And I do actually ship him with one of my inquisitors. But he goes so well with so many other characters...


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Oh man, KREM! I can ship Krem with anyone, yes, even Cullen! I guess when you like a certain character so much but can't think of a canon ship they become your shipping wh*** :lol:

 

Oh Krem. :wub: I could ship him with almost anyone, too, he's my poor fandom bicycle this time around. And I do love him Maryden, I'm still considering changing Cole's fate just so this ship can be endgame... but what I'd really really love would be for bi Krem to come back in DA4 and let us romance him good and proper. :P


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Oh Krem. :wub: I could ship him with almost anyone, too, he's my poor fandom bicycle this time around. And I do love him Maryden, I'm still considering changing Cole's fate just so this ship can be endgame... but what I'd really really love would be for bi Krem to come back in DA4 and let us romance him good and proper. :P

 

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS If he'd been the Charger option instead of Bull I'd be sooo happy :D



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And on that note...

 

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And this link to NSFW Cullen x Krem: LINK (Trans man Cullen...? I'm staring at "that" a little too much :lol:)


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I like to headcannon that after Descent DLC, my Inquisitor doesn't go back to Skyhold right away since being in that chamber of blue lyrium (which was gorgeous and utterly beautiful in its environment and audio btw) would have left residual lyrium more than usual from fighting. I mean that room was pure lyrium in its raw form and I think that would affect Cullen's lyrium sensitivity.

 

Yeah I agree about leaving the epilogue pretty open for players to headcannon. It's pretty open :) and I just love the epilogue slide for romanced Cullen, you big dork XD

 

And I'm never choosing pro-lyrium for Cullen. I don't think I'll have the heart, too. I guess I'll just have to fish for yt vid for the evil Inquisitor playthrough. I'll take you guys' word for Cullen showing signs of slippage during Trespasser.



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I know a few of you are having this problem, too! :lol:

 

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"When you can’t decide between romancing Cullen or Solas"

 

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LOL

 

I had this problem, too :ph34r: But after hearing Solas' voice, I couldn't help but be like "Senpai Hahren, notice me!" (which he doesn't cuz clearly he doesn't recognize Dalish as his people... egg) 

 

The VAs were fantastic in this game :) I really had fun with Inquisition. I hope DA4 continues with creating a diverse cast (and dwarf romances.... :P 


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Cantina

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Yep. Been gone a long time. Other games had my attention.

 

Anyways been back getting achievements for Inquisition along with the new ones. Uh don't recommend playing on Nightmare with XP cut in half. That was brutal.

 

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Bout time Bioware tossed in that option.

 

 

 

Found on YouTube thee saddest ending for Cullen. Bring your Kleenex.

 

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Lyrium is bad, mmm'kay.


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Tishina

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Yep. Been gone a long time. Other games had my attention.

*snip*
 

Please, use spoiler tags (not that that is probably a secret anymore.



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Peripheral because I don't wanna get into the romance+lyrium argument again...

 

 

I still don't think this "cure for the Calling" subplot is anything but a red herring to get the Hero of Ferelden out of the picture, or that anything of substance will come out of it. As I've mentioned before in the thread, in a world state with a dead Hero of Ferelden this subplot is never brought up at all, there's no mention of it in any letters, codex entry, anything. The only place it's ever mentioned is in a living Warden's letter, and they only say they're looking for a cure for themselves, it's not really implied that they found it.

 

I may be wrong, who knows, but curing the Calling is a major lore changer, and I think if they were setting up the story to go in that direction they should at least make this a universal subplot so that every player knows it's coming, no matter what world state you import. The Titans, for instance, are mentioned either way - with a dead HoF you don't get Kieran's line about them, but you still find mentions of them in various codex entries at the Western Approach and the Hissing Wastes. It was a new lore twist introduced to all players, not just those who fulfill one certain plot condition.

 

I am still ploughing my way through the Calling, made hard because I can't abide Fiona, but I'd like to believe the door is open for a cure if they want to go down that road in the future. There is codex on her is vague, of course, which probably disproves my theory! A cure doesn't necessarily mean an end to the Blight itself either.

 

And much to my frustration/anticipation, in no way did the end game address what happened to the Wardens once they were at Weisshaupt.

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Unless there is something I missed in the other 2 DLCs in which case, apologies for asking a dumb question.

 

I shall take myself off and play them soon. My only interest in Trespasser was to see the outcome between Cullen and my Inquisitor - I didn't care about anything else  :D

 

They couldn't have introduced Alistair either without some sort of explanation as to what happened to the Warden.

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So they just want to put HoF to rest, which is understandable and seems to be the case from what I've read. Although sad. It was good of them to bring back Alistair and the Warden, even if it was just a brief mention.



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Can anyone who uses SweetFX remind me how to turn off the FPS Counter in the top left? I remember that there was a key command, but I don't remember what that key command actually was. :(